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Mark Misulich

19 Apr 2008 19 Apr '08

12:29

Hi, I hope that this is the proper venue to ask this question, otherwise I will get 30 or so replys telling me otherwise. I produce a monthly newsletter for an organization to which I belong. I have been using MS Word to do it, but I really would prefer to produce it in Open Office on Suse. This month I tried to produce it in Open Office and was able to do it, and I thought that was grand. Goodbye WinXP, hello Suse! My file size in Word was about 4400kb, and OO file size was 396kb for the same document saved in opendocument format. I have to convert the files to PDF files for two reasons, the first is that we don't want the document to be easily altered once it is sent out. The second, and most important from a practical aspect is that the file size has to be small enough to be downloaded by members who are on dialup. The file size of the Word/PDF conversion is 97kb, and the OO/PDF conversion is 402kb. I use a personal limit of 300kb for document size when I send out the newsletter, otherwise it takes too long for the dialup users to download the document. I would like to know if there is a way to get around this. I tried to zip the file and the resultant OO pdf file was 397kb. I don't need to zip the XP/pdf, it is small enough already. This is the main reason that I still use windows, so if anyone has an answer for me I would certainly find it to be welcome news. Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Daniel Bauer

19 Apr 19 Apr

12:38

On Saturday 19 April 2008 14.29:46, Mark Misulich wrote:

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The file size of the Word/PDF conversion is 97kb, and the OO/PDF conversion is 402kb. I use a personal limit of 300kb for document size when I send out the newsletter, otherwise it takes too long for the dialup users to download the document.

I would like to know if there is a way to get around this. I tried to zip the file and the resultant OO pdf file was 397kb. I don't need to zip the XP/pdf, it is small enough already.

Hi Mark, maybe you could try ps2pdf: in OOo you print "to file" as a postscript file. Then in a console cd into the directory where you saved the .ps file and type ps2pdf your-ps-file.ps your-pdf-name.pdf I don't know about the sizes (just give it a try), but I experienced that pdf's produced this way are much better quality than directly using OOo's pdf functionality. regards Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com erotic art photos: http://www.bauer-nudes.com/en/linux.html Madagascar special: http://www.fotograf-basel.ch/madagascar/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Joe Morris

13:06

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I produce a monthly newsletter for an organization to which I belong. I have been using MS Word to do it, but I really would prefer to produce it in Open Office on Suse. This month I tried to produce it in Open Office and was able to do it, and I thought that was grand. Goodbye WinXP, hello Suse! My file size in Word was about 4400kb, and OO file size was 396kb for the same document saved in opendocument format.

I have to convert the files to PDF files for two reasons, the first is that we don't want the document to be easily altered once it is sent out. The second, and most important from a practical aspect is that the file size has to be small enough to be downloaded by members who are on dialup. The file size of the Word/PDF conversion is 97kb, and the OO/PDF conversion is 402kb. I use a personal limit of 300kb for document size when I send out the newsletter, otherwise it takes too long for the dialup users to download the document.

I would like to know if there is a way to get around this. I tried to zip the file and the resultant OO pdf file was 397kb. I don't need to zip the XP/pdf, it is small enough already.

This is the main reason that I still use windows, so if anyone has an answer for me I would certainly find it to be welcome news. You could try installing cups-pdf, which will give you a very nice pdf

On 04/19/2008 08:29 PM, Mark Misulich wrote: printer you could "print" to in OO to produce a pdf. Not certain how it would compare size wise, but it works well here. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.3 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mark Misulich

20 Apr 20 Apr

03:48

Hi Mark,

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maybe you could try ps2pdf: in OOo you print "to file" as a postscript file. Then in a console cd into the directory where you saved the .ps file and type ps2pdf your-ps-file.ps your-pdf-name.pdf

I don't know about the sizes (just give it a try), but I experienced that pdf's produced this way are much better quality than directly using OOo's pdf functionality.

regards

Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland

Hi, I tried this process this evening. I took the original Open office document (292.5kb) and after ps2pdf, it produced a pdf of 109.7kb instead of the 404kb that I had been getting. I tried to open the final word document that I intend to send out, and opened it in OO. I tried to print it to file from there but it won't work. I then took my final draft Word document that I intend to send out (produced on WinXP [4500kb] that produced a pdf of 140kb) and saved it as a word document in linux from OO. It came out as 3.6MB. Yeah, MB, not KB. I took that document and printed it to postscipt (2.7MB). I converted that to pdf and it came in at 2.2MB. I tried saving the final word document to ODF, then ps, then pdf and it came in at 2.7MB. Well, I figured hogs like that were ready for slaughter. So I sent them all to the trashbin. I tried to find the cups-pdf rpm, and the only ones that I could find for suse 10.x are some for 64 bit systems. I am running 32 bit, and they won't work. All my pictures in the newsletter are Jpegs, and before I inserted them into the newsletter I reduced the display quality to lower their kb count. The text that I used in the ODF document was URW Bookman L. It is a native font in OO, it isn't one that I imported into the program. Thanks for all the help. I think if I produce an ODF original newsletter, I might get it close to a size that would work but it still won't be as small as that produced on Windows/Adobe. Thanks again, Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Joe Morris

05:21

On 04/20/2008 11:48 AM, Mark Misulich wrote:

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I tried to find the cups-pdf rpm, and the only ones that I could find for suse 10.x are some for 64 bit systems. I am running 32 bit, and they won't work.

You can search for packages at http://software.opensuse.org/search which shows 3 possibilities of which the newest version for 10.3 (2.4.7) can be found at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:gcoste/openSUSE_10.3 but the others had some for older versions. HTH. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.3 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mark Misulich

16:57

Joe Morris wrote:

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On 04/20/2008 11:48 AM, Mark Misulich wrote:

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I tried to find the cups-pdf rpm, and the only ones that I could find for suse 10.x are some for 64 bit systems. I am running 32 bit, and they won't work.

You can search for packages at http://software.opensuse.org/search which shows 3 possibilities of which the newest version for 10.3 (2.4.7) can be found at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:gcoste/openSUSE_10.3 but the others had some for older versions. HTH.

Hi, thanks for the tip. I had seen that search page before but forgot about it. I used the following search engines when I did my search: http://rpmseek.com/index.html?hl=com http://rpm.pbone.net/ The suse search engine is obviously a better choice, I will use it from now on. I have downloaded and installed the package, but I haven't figured out how to use it yet. Is it command line only? I don't find any reference to it in my OO printer interface, so I haven't been able to try it out. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Verner Kjærsgaard

17:52

Mark Misulich skrev:

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Joe Morris wrote:

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On 04/20/2008 11:48 AM, Mark Misulich wrote:

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I tried to find the cups-pdf rpm, and the only ones that I could find for suse 10.x are some for 64 bit systems. I am running 32 bit, and they won't work.

You can search for packages at http://software.opensuse.org/search which shows 3 possibilities of which the newest version for 10.3 (2.4.7) can be found at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:gcoste/openSUSE_10.3 but the others had some for older versions. HTH.

Hi, thanks for the tip. I had seen that search page before but forgot about it. I used the following search engines when I did my search: http://rpmseek.com/index.html?hl=com http://rpm.pbone.net/ The suse search engine is obviously a better choice, I will use it from now on. I have downloaded and installed the package, but I haven't figured out how to use it yet. Is it command line only? I don't find any reference to it in my OO printer interface, so I haven't been able to try it out.

Hi first, read "man lppasswd", you may need to set up a superuser for your CUPS installation. (As root from the command line do something like: lppasswd -a -g sys root ) Next, find /usr/share/cups/model/CUPS-PDF.ppd - just to make sure it's there. Then fire up your browser, goto http://localhost:631 - that'll be your CUPS web interface. Select add new printer, point to the CUPS-PDF.PPD file and off you go. When done, you should be able to print using whatever app,- just select your CUPS-PDF as your printer. You may need to edit /etc/cups/cups-pdf.conf file. When done, restart cups with rccups restart. ok? -- -------------------------------------------- Med venlig hilsen/best regards Verner Kjærsgaard Novell Certified Linux Professional 10035701 www.os-academy.dk +45 56964223 Prisbillig hotelovernatning! Se www.bbhotels.dk -------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Charles philip Chan

18:01

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Mark Misulich writes:

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Is it command line only? I don't find any reference to it in my OO printer interface, so I haven't been able to try it out.

No, once you set it up, it becomes a virtual printer in Cups. However, like the pdf printer in Kprinter, it basically turns a ps file to pdf. Charles

Carlos E. R.

18:32

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Charles philip Chan wrote: | Mark Misulich | writes: | |> Is it command line only? I don't find any reference to it in my OO |> printer interface, so I haven't been able to try it out. | | No, once you set it up, it becomes a virtual printer in Cups. However, | like the pdf printer in Kprinter, it basically turns a ps file to pdf. Absolutely. And you have less control. Also, remember that you can define a pseudoprinter inside openoffice to add a printer that instead creates pdf pages. Start "/usr/lib/ooo-2.0/program/spadmin". You get a program with some buttons, one of them is "New Printer". Once clicked, one of the radio buttons is "connect a PDF converter", then click next. Next step, choose "default driver". Finally, the last one is "enter the command line appropiate for this device". Right now I'm in factory, so I don't remember what I used the last time, but it can be deduced from the help dialog. When done, the printer will appear inside the printer dialog in openoffice. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.0-factory) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgLjEoACgkQU92UU+smfQVJRQCghaA0NTy1DrXhqUA0OPLqg7ww q8sAnjoPCNQCpFe7bSFAgxlHXjXdjZr9 =p5qr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Charles philip Chan

18:39

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"Carlos E. R." writes:

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Absolutely. And you have less control.

Very true. You will loose out on features such as hyperlinks. Charles

Joe Morris

23:56

On 04/21/2008 12:57 AM, Mark Misulich wrote:

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I have downloaded and installed the package, but I haven't figured out how to use it yet. Is it command line only? I don't find any reference to it in my OO printer interface, so I haven't been able to try it out.

You can add it in several ways. The packages I build automatically add it, so you could as root in a CLI: lpadmin -p cups-pdf -v "cups-pdf:/" -m CUPS-PDF.ppd -E -D "Virtual PDF Printer" -L "Local Printer" Afterwards, I would suggest to change the Out configuration line in /etc/cups/cups-pdf.conf. I changed mine to, for example, Out ${HOME}/Documents/PDFs Which means the created pdfs will be found in the users Documents/PDFs folder (which may need to be created, not sure if it will automatically be created or not). HTH. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.3 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Charles philip Chan

05:52

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Mark Misulich writes:

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I then took my final draft Word document that I intend to send out (produced on WinXP [4500kb] that produced a pdf of 140kb) and saved it as a word document in linux from OO. It came out as 3.6MB. Yeah, MB, not KB. I took that document and printed it to postscipt (2.7MB). I converted that to pdf and it came in at 2.2MB.

Can you tell me which software you used to produced the document in Windows? I would like to do some testing. The files size you are getting looks fishy to me. The OO one I expected to be larger, but 3.6 MB is insane. The one you produced from Windows XP is smaller than I expected- are you sure fonts are embedded (you can check that in the document properties in a pdf reader)? Charles

Mark Misulich

12:12

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Charles philip Chan wrote:

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Mark Misulich writes:

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I then took my final draft Word document that I intend to send out (produced on WinXP [4500kb] that produced a pdf of 140kb) and saved it as a word document in linux from OO. It came out as 3.6MB. Yeah, MB, not KB. I took that document and printed it to postscipt (2.7MB). I converted that to pdf and it came in at 2.2MB.

Can you tell me which software you used to produced the document in Windows? I would like to do some testing. The files size you are getting looks fishy to me. The OO one I expected to be larger, but 3.6 MB is insane. The one you produced from Windows XP is smaller than I expected- are you sure fonts are embedded (you can check that in the document properties in a pdf reader)?

Charles

Hi, the software I used in XP was Word 2000 from Office 2000 professional. Then I converted it to pdf with Adobe 6. As for fonts, the box marked "Use local Fonts" is checked, I don't see anything else regarding fonts in Adobe reader preferences. Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Charles philip Chan

12:45

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Mark Misulich writes:

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As for fonts, the box marked "Use local Fonts" is checked, I don't see anything else regarding fonts in Adobe reader preferences.

OK, that explains why the file is so small- just as I have suspected, you are not embedding any fonts. This means that your file will look different on systems without those fonts installed (they are substituted, and will show up weirdly if the substituted font does not have a particular character used in its character set). http://www.acrobatusers.com/forums/aucbb/viewtopic.php?id=7730 Charles

Carlos E. R.

23:52

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-04-20 at 08:45 -0400, Charles philip Chan wrote:

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As for fonts, the box marked "Use local Fonts" is checked, I don't see anything else regarding fonts in Adobe reader preferences.

OK, that explains why the file is so small- just as I have suspected, you are not embedding any fonts. This means that your file will look different on systems without those fonts installed (they are substituted, and will show up weirdly if the substituted font does not have a particular character used in its character set).

On the other hand, OOo always embeds all fonts, and I suspect it embeds the complete set. That's why ps2pdf produces smaller files. There is no configuration that I know of to tell OOo not to embeds a font. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIC9cutTMYHG2NR9URArroAJ4+rivccBOz3FTusWbdeoq/SAfhwQCdEcOw hO6IwCHsytonncJ2SUaFa+o= =Bn23 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

jdd sur free

21 Apr 21 Apr

06:34

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Carlos E. R. a écrit :

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On the other hand, OOo always embeds all fonts, and I suspect it embeds the complete set. That's why ps2pdf produces smaller files. There is no configuration that I know of to tell OOo not to embeds a font.

don't konw, but I was able to make a very small (90ko) pdf with a document sent by the OP simply reducing the images quality jdd -- Jean-Daniel Dodin Président du CULTe www.culte.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-04-21 at 08:34 +0200, jdd sur free wrote:

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Carlos E. R. a écrit :

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On the other hand, OOo always embeds all fonts, and I suspect it embeds the complete set. That's why ps2pdf produces smaller files. There is no configuration that I know of to tell OOo not to embeds a font.

don't konw, but I was able to make a very small (90ko) pdf with a document sent by the OP simply reducing the images quality

Interesting. A test file with just a text paragraph in OOo, was exported with a size of 116104 bytes. The same file when converted by ps2pdf takes 1202 bytes. This is a known bug. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIDGD2tTMYHG2NR9URAnbOAJ4geiYto4OlCORJ03iG1a8vXiesbgCeMWgt LG+YzcYZsV166dDlQ67KypE= =o7NY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Charles philip Chan

08:50

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"Carlos E. R." writes:

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On the other hand, OOo always embeds all fonts, and I suspect it embeds the complete set. That's why ps2pdf produces smaller files.

Yes, unfortunately it embeds the whole font like I mentioned before: ,----[ Previous Posting in this Thread ] | "Carlos E. R." | writes: | | > The second thing is to play with fonts. Depending on which fonts, and | > how many, you use you get different sizes. | | I very seldom use OO other then for conversion. I just checked out it's | pdf export and wow, the file size is big. One of the problems is that OO | embeds the whole fonts instead of the subset that the document needs. I | have the some document converted through OO and pdflatex, the OO version | is close to 4 times larger than the one produced by pdflatex. | | IMHO, I think this should be consider a bug- OO should only embed the | subset. `----

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There is no configuration that I know of to tell OOo not to embeds a font.

I can't find one either. However, not embedding is bad idea also. Ideally OO should only embed the subset that the document uses. Charles

Carlos E. R.

09:37

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-04-21 at 04:50 -0400, Charles philip Chan wrote:

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"Carlos E. R." <> writes:

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On the other hand, OOo always embeds all fonts, and I suspect it embeds the complete set. That's why ps2pdf produces smaller files.

Yes, unfortunately it embeds the whole font like I mentioned before:

,----[ Previous Posting in this Thread ]

I know, I read it :-)

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| IMHO, I think this should be consider a bug- OO should only embed the | subset. `----

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There is no configuration that I know of to tell OOo not to embeds a font.

I can't find one either. However, not embedding is bad idea also. Ideally OO should only embed the subset that the document uses.

Have a look at https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=260193 The thing is that the printer font "Times" should not be embedded, because that's one of the four fonts that the reader has implemented internally. And it wasn't in suse 10.1. That's what the ps2pdf converter does: the font "Times New Roman" is embedded, but "Times" is not. And there is no degradation of the final result, all compliant PDF readers will render that font correctly: that's the standard. If the user wants an exact result, we will use another font. Otherwise, give use the choice! It is not: don't embed any font. It is not: embed all font. It is: don't embed these named here fonts, or give me the choice. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIDGBDtTMYHG2NR9URAu91AKCJkRVvgdu95ha43Qy66bx84IN4swCgh4i8 RVANTlSQlr+NHHUp7FIkV08= =jYvC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Charles philip Chan

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"Carlos E. R." writes:

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The thing is that the printer font "Times" should not be embedded, because that's one of the four fonts that the reader has implemented internally. And it wasn't in suse 10.1.

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That's what the ps2pdf converter does: the font "Times New Roman" is embedded, but "Times" is not. And there is no degradation of the final result, all compliant PDF readers will render that font correctly: that's the standard. If the user wants an exact result, we will use another font. Otherwise, give use the choice!

I agreed that if one of these 14 fonts are used they should not be embedded. For all other fonts the subset used should be embedded. Charles Footnotes: [1] Please refer to section 7.6.2 of the PDF specs.

Carlos E. R.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-04-21 at 06:28 -0400, Charles philip Chan wrote:

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"Carlos E. R." <> writes:

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The thing is that the printer font "Times" should not be embedded, because that's one of the four fonts that the reader has implemented internally. And it wasn't in suse 10.1.

Not 4, but 14[1]:

Ah, I'm saving this list ;-) I think they are still 4 fonts, with the bold and italic variations. Let's check:

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,----[ Base 14 Fonts ] | 1. Times-Roman | 2. Times-Italic | 3. Times-Bold | 4. Times-BoldItalic

That's "Times"

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| 5. Helvetica | 6. Helvetica-Oblique | 7. Helvetica-Bold | 8. Helvetica-BoldOblique

That's "Helvetica".

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| 9. Courier | 10. Courier-Oblique | 11. Courier-Bold | 12. Courier-BoldOblique

That's "Courier". We have three fonts.

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| 13. Symbol | 14. ZapfDingbats

Ah... the #14 I didn't know. So, that's 3 fonts with their variations, and two more.

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These are the fonts that are guaranteed to come with every Postscript printer originally are in the postscript specs. The are mapped to a set of cloned fonts (donated by URW) by Ghostscript for printing.

Ah! The URW fonts.

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That's what the ps2pdf converter does: the font "Times New Roman" is embedded, but "Times" is not. And there is no degradation of the final result, all compliant PDF readers will render that font correctly: that's the standard. If the user wants an exact result, we will use another font. Otherwise, give use the choice!

I agreed that if one of these 14 fonts are used they should not be embedded. For all other fonts the subset used should be embedded.

Exactly. This is what I reported in Bugzilla 260193 a year ago and has not been corrected yet. Do you know if there is someway to remove the embedded font from a pdf file and map the font?

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Footnotes: [1] Please refer to section 7.6.2 of the PDF specs.

Which I don't have, but I read once. So I'm saving your list above ;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIDIPttTMYHG2NR9URAh6RAJ0fSAh7P+1FM6RSU3zT6BBSMPofZwCeLjX0 0ccnz1jjYdeodulur6Ie3ss= =yABU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Charles philip Chan

12:53

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"Carlos E. R." writes:

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Ah, I'm saving this list ;-)

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I think they are still 4 fonts, with the bold and italic variations. Let's check:

No, they are 4 typefaces: ,----[ From the Wikipedia Article on Typeface ] | One still valid distinction between font and typeface is that a font may | designate a specific member of a type family such as roman, bold or | italic type, possibly in a particular size, while typeface designates a | visual appearance or style, possibly of a related set of fonts. For | example, a given typeface such as Arial may include roman, bold, and | italic fonts. `---- With high qualilty typefaces each font in the family is hand crafted for optimal visual appearance. This is why high end desktop publishing systems (including Scribus) does not have the ability to generate those fake bold, italic, etc, fonts commonly seen in wordprocessors. You need to use seperate fonts.

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Do you know if there is someway to remove the embedded font from a pdf file and map the font?

I don't have a file using those fonts handy so I can't test it out. If you don't care about advanced features, you might be able to do it by comvertiong it to a ps file and run ps2ps against it. Charles

Charles philip Chan

20 Apr 20 Apr

12:50

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Mark Misulich writes:

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As for fonts, the box marked "Use local Fonts" is checked, I don't see anything else regarding fonts in Adobe reader preferences.

I forgot to add, it might even show up as blanks. At least that is what happens with postscript files without emebedded fonts and if the fonts do not exist on the system. Charles

Charles philip Chan

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"Charles philip Chan" writes:

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I forgot to add, it might even show up as blanks. At least that is what happens with postscript files without embedded fonts and if the fonts do not exist on the system.

OK, I found out exactly what happens if the font can't be substituted- they will show up as bullets and display an error message: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/Acrobat/8.0/Professional/WS58a04a822e3e50102bd61... For a faithful representation of your newsletter, it is best to embed fonts. Charles

David C. Rankin

22 Apr 22 Apr

06:18

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Mark Misulich wrote:

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Charles philip Chan wrote:

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Mark Misulich writes:

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I then took my final draft Word document that I intend to send out (produced on WinXP [4500kb] that produced a pdf of 140kb) and saved it as a word document in linux from OO. It came out as 3.6MB. Yeah, MB, not KB. I took that document and printed it to postscipt (2.7MB). I converted that to pdf and it came in at 2.2MB.

Can you tell me which software you used to produced the document in Windows? I would like to do some testing. The files size you are getting looks fishy to me. The OO one I expected to be larger, but 3.6 MB is insane. The one you produced from Windows XP is smaller than I expected- are you sure fonts are embedded (you can check that in the document properties in a pdf reader)?

Charles

Hi, the software I used in XP was Word 2000 from Office 2000 professional. Then I converted it to pdf with Adobe 6. As for fonts, the box marked "Use local Fonts" is checked, I don't see anything else regarding fonts in Adobe reader preferences.

Mark

Mark, Also, don't forget, in OO, you can use the "File->Export As PDF.." to tune to jpeg quality and image resolution. (You just get the defaults if you use the toolbar pdf icon to do the conversion) Additionally, on the postscript to ps2pdf method, I have had great luck setting up the HP-8550PS driver to print a postscript file and then use "ps2pdf13" to convert the file. I have been quite pleased with file size of the resulting pdfs. The ps2pdf13 uses the more recent pdf doc standards that may help your situation. Good luck! -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

19 Apr 19 Apr

13:20

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2008-04-19 at 08:29 -0400, Mark Misulich wrote:

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I produce a monthly newsletter for an organization to which I belong. I have been using MS Word to do it, but I really would prefer to produce it in Open Office on Suse. This month I tried to produce it in Open Office and was able to do it, and I thought that was grand. Goodbye WinXP, hello Suse! My file size in Word was about 4400kb, and OO file size was 396kb for the same document saved in opendocument format.

Interesting :-)

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I have to convert the files to PDF files for two reasons, the first is that we don't want the document to be easily altered once it is sent out. The second, and most important from a practical aspect is that the file size has to be small enough to be downloaded by members who are on dialup. The file size of the Word/PDF conversion is 97kb, and the OO/PDF conversion is 402kb. I use a personal limit of 300kb for document size when I send out the newsletter, otherwise it takes too long for the dialup users to download the document.

Interesting :-(

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I would like to know if there is a way to get around this. I tried to zip the file and the resultant OO pdf file was 397kb. I don't need to zip the XP/pdf, it is small enough already.

This is the main reason that I still use windows, so if anyone has an answer for me I would certainly find it to be welcome news.

Ok... it is not easy. First thing is to try ps2pdf, as Daniel proposes. Unfortunately, you loose nice things that the OOo converter does, like indexes. The second thing is to play with fonts. Depending on which fonts, and how many, you use you get different sizes. There are very few fonts that the pdf reader knows about and do not need to be included in the PDF file, like the _printer_ font times (not New Times). You have to look at the font info (file/properties) to see which fonts are included or embedded, or use the command line "pdffont". There is another problem, a bug, that I haven't verified its status recently, that impedes OOo from generating files with those fonts: they are embedded anyway. That's why ps2pdf generates smaller files. What I do is create a small document, a paragraph (abcde...zABCDE...Z), using only _one_font, convert to PDF using both methods, and see which font the resulting PDF uses. Notice that there is a set of fonts, by default dissabled and hidden under "user printer metrics" that allows to use plain "times" font, which should be the one the pdf reader uses and thus should not be embedded - if the above mentioned bug does not interfere. Also, the "Times New ..." font renders smaller than the open font equivalent. I don't remember the exact one right now. I believe in windows you can choose which fonts convert to which. Another point to watch is images, and how much they are compressed. If instead of using the icon in OOo you go the menu route, you can see options to tailor this somewhat. Using ps2pdf there are also some adjustments to make. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFICfGytTMYHG2NR9URAskfAJ4wWOqBRec3eSM7dvKCp6mCVdJdSgCeP3Y2 hrbDJBtg8mIWIvtEApm1q28= =3oSf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Charles philip Chan

18:43

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"Carlos E. R." writes:

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The second thing is to play with fonts. Depending on which fonts, and how many, you use you get different sizes.

I very seldom use OO other then for conversion. I just checked out it's pdf export and wow, the file size is big. One of the problems is that OO embeds the whole fonts instead of the subset that the document needs. I have the some document converted through OO and pdflatex, the OO version is close to 4 times larger than the one produced by pdflatex. IMHO, I think this should be consider a bug- OO should only embed the subset. Charles

Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC)

19:10

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Windows vs. Suse OO docuent file size

Hi Charles, Charles philip Chan wrote:

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"Carlos E. R." writes:

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The second thing is to play with fonts. Depending on which fonts, and how many, you use you get different sizes.

I very seldom use OO other then for conversion. I just checked out it's pdf export and wow, the file size is big. One of the problems is that OO embeds the whole fonts instead of the subset that the document needs. I have the some document converted through OO and pdflatex, the OO version is close to 4 times larger than the one produced by pdflatex.

IMHO, I think this should be consider a bug- OO should only embed the subset.

Thank you for saying you would add the issue onto Bugzilla. :) Regards Hylton -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott

19:30

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Windows vs. Suse OO docuent file size

Charles philip Chan wrote:

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"Carlos E. R." writes:

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The second thing is to play with fonts. Depending on which fonts, and how many, you use you get different sizes.

I very seldom use OO other then for conversion. I just checked out it's pdf export and wow, the file size is big. One of the problems is that OO embeds the whole fonts instead of the subset that the document needs. I have the some document converted through OO and pdflatex, the OO version is close to 4 times larger than the one produced by pdflatex.

IMHO, I think this should be consider a bug- OO should only embed the subset.

Charles

If you're using KDE, you can also use the KDE PDF "printer". I believe it produces smaller files than OO. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

jdd sur free

17:35

Mark Misulich a écrit :

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I would like to know if there is a way to get around this. I tried to zip the file and the resultant OO pdf file was 397kb. I don't need to zip the XP/pdf, it is small enough already.

This is the main reason that I still use windows, so if anyone has an answer for me I would certainly find it to be welcome news.

chance is you use images in these files, to have such size? I see two reson for size: images and fonts in ooo there are two places to make pdf's, quick icon and export (or save to, I don't remember), the menu one gives much more options. specially it should be possible not to include fonts and to reduce the image size, depending of the use you want for the document screen, print...) jdd -- Jean-Daniel Dodin Président du CULTe www.culte.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte

17:55

On Saturday 19 April 2008 10:35:10 am jdd sur free wrote:

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Mark Misulich a écrit :

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I would like to know if there is a way to get around this. I tried to zip the file and the resultant OO pdf file was 397kb. I don't need to zip the XP/pdf, it is small enough already.

This is the main reason that I still use windows, so if anyone has an answer for me I would certainly find it to be welcome news.

chance is you use images in these files, to have such size?

I see two reson for size: images and fonts

in ooo there are two places to make pdf's, quick icon and export (or save to, I don't remember), the menu one gives much more options. specially it should be possible not to include fonts and to reduce the image size, depending of the use you want for the document screen, print...)

Following up - there are two ways PDF stores documents - with the font/image information embedded or all converted to a bitmap (or vector) format that doesn't retain such information. -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott

19:19

Mark Misulich wrote:

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Hi, I hope that this is the proper venue to ask this question, otherwise I will get 30 or so replys telling me otherwise.

I produce a monthly newsletter for an organization to which I belong. I have been using MS Word to do it, but I really would prefer to produce it in Open Office on Suse. This month I tried to produce it in Open Office and was able to do it, and I thought that was grand. Goodbye WinXP, hello Suse! My file size in Word was about 4400kb, and OO file size was 396kb for the same document saved in opendocument format.

I have to convert the files to PDF files for two reasons, the first is that we don't want the document to be easily altered once it is sent out. The second, and most important from a practical aspect is that the file size has to be small enough to be downloaded by members who are on dialup. The file size of the Word/PDF conversion is 97kb, and the OO/PDF conversion is 402kb. I use a personal limit of 300kb for document size when I send out the newsletter, otherwise it takes too long for the dialup users to download the document.

I would like to know if there is a way to get around this. I tried to zip the file and the resultant OO pdf file was 397kb. I don't need to zip the XP/pdf, it is small enough already.

This is the main reason that I still use windows, so if anyone has an answer for me I would certainly find it to be welcome news.

Mark When you save a PDF, I believe the default is lossless compression. You may be able to get a smaller size, by selecting JPEG compression or reduced resolution. These options are available when you select File > Export as PDF.

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Rajko M.

2 May 2 May

00:22

On Saturday 19 April 2008 07:29:46 am Mark Misulich wrote:

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Hi, I hope that this is the proper venue to ask this question, otherwise I will get 30 or so replys telling me otherwise.

I produce a monthly newsletter for an organization to which I belong. I have been using MS Word to do it, but I really would prefer to produce it in Open Office on Suse. This month I tried to produce it in Open Office and was able to do it, and I thought that was grand. Goodbye WinXP, hello Suse! My file size in Word was about 4400kb, and OO file size was 396kb for the same document saved in opendocument format.

I have to convert the files to PDF files for two reasons, the first is that we don't want the document to be easily altered once it is sent out. The second, and most important from a practical aspect is that the file size has to be small enough to be downloaded by members who are on dialup. The file size of the Word/PDF conversion is 97kb, and the OO/PDF conversion is 402kb. I use a personal limit of 300kb for document size when I send out the newsletter, otherwise it takes too long for the dialup users to download the document.

I would like to know if there is a way to get around this. I tried to zip the file and the resultant OO pdf file was 397kb. I don't need to zip the XP/pdf, it is small enough already.

This is the main reason that I still use windows, so if anyone has an answer for me I would certainly find it to be welcome news.

Mark

I guess that this might make your presentation smaller: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/PresentationMinimizer and more of it http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/most_pop_ext -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Sam Clemens

01:30

Rajko M. wrote:

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On Saturday 19 April 2008 07:29:46 am Mark Misulich wrote:

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Hi, I hope that this is the proper venue to ask this question, otherwise I will get 30 or so replys telling me otherwise.

I produce a monthly newsletter for an organization to which I belong. I have been using MS Word to do it, but I really would prefer to produce it in Open Office on Suse. This month I tried to produce it in Open Office and was able to do it, and I thought that was grand. Goodbye WinXP, hello Suse! My file size in Word was about 4400kb, and OO file size was 396kb for the same document saved in opendocument format.

I have to convert the files to PDF files for two reasons, the first is that we don't want the document to be easily altered once it is sent out. The second, and most important from a practical aspect is that the file size has to be small enough to be downloaded by members who are on dialup. The file size of the Word/PDF conversion is 97kb, and the OO/PDF conversion is 402kb. I use a personal limit of 300kb for document size when I send out the newsletter, otherwise it takes too long for the dialup users to download the document.

I would like to know if there is a way to get around this. I tried to zip the file and the resultant OO pdf file was 397kb. I don't need to zip the XP/pdf, it is small enough already.]

You can try saving it in doc book format, and then using docbook2pdf. see: $ man docbook2pdf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M.

01:57

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On Thursday 01 May 2008 08:30:03 pm Sam Clemens wrote:

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Rajko M. wrote:

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On Saturday 19 April 2008 07:29:46 am Mark Misulich wrote: ....

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I would like to know if there is a way to get around this. I tried to zip the file and the resultant OO pdf file was 397kb. I don't need to zip the XP/pdf, it is small enough already.]

You can try saving it in doc book format, and then using docbook2pdf. see: $ man docbook2pdf

Why should I? I don't need small presentation that can be produced with: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/PresentationMinimizer It is the OP that needs some tool to reduce size of OpenOffice presentations and this extension seems to be right tool. Quality of your posts (attention to details) seems to be reverse proportional to number of the posts that you send to lists. -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Sam Clemens

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Rajko M. wrote:

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On Thursday 01 May 2008 08:30:03 pm Sam Clemens wrote:

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Rajko M. wrote:

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On Saturday 19 April 2008 07:29:46 am Mark Misulich wrote: ....

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I would like to know if there is a way to get around this. I tried to zip the file and the resultant OO pdf file was 397kb. I don't need to zip the XP/pdf, it is small enough already.] You can try saving it in doc book format, and then using docbook2pdf. see: $ man docbook2pdf

Why should I? I don't need small presentation that can be produced with: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/PresentationMinimizer

It is the OP that needs some tool to reduce size of OpenOffice presentations and this extension seems to be right tool.

I didn't have the OP's posting yet... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mark Misulich

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Rajko M. wrote:

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I guess that this might make your presentation smaller: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/PresentationMinimizer and more of it http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/most_pop_ext

Hi, thanks for the information. I downloaded the extension and found out that it is for Impress Presentations, not for Writer documents. I am producing a newsletter for the organization, and that must be produced in Writer and changed to PDF for distribution. This extension won't help that process, but I am also an instructor and have to produce Powerpoint presentations for my classes. I can try to produce them in Impress, and I am sure that the extension will prove its worth then. I hadn't realized that there were extensions to Open Office, so now I know they are there and figured out how to install them. Thanks, Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hipolito Gonzalez

03:33

How do you do for create the pdf file? Directly from open office or saving like ps and converting from ps to pdf? Mark Misulich wrote:

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Rajko M. wrote:

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I guess that this might make your presentation smaller: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/PresentationMinimizer and more of it http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/most_pop_ext

Hi, thanks for the information. I downloaded the extension and found out that it is for Impress Presentations, not for Writer documents. I am producing a newsletter for the organization, and that must be produced in Writer and changed to PDF for distribution. This extension won't help that process, but I am also an instructor and have to produce Powerpoint presentations for my classes. I can try to produce them in Impress, and I am sure that the extension will prove its worth then. I hadn't realized that there were extensions to Open Office, so now I know they are there and figured out how to install them.

Thanks, Mark

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Sam Clemens

03:40

Hipolito Gonzalez wrote:

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How do you do for create the pdf file? Directly from open office or saving like ps and converting from ps to pdf?

Save to ps, and use ps2pdf or something similar. $ man -k 2pdf

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Mark Misulich wrote:

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Rajko M. wrote:

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I guess that this might make your presentation smaller: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/PresentationMinimizer and more of it http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/most_pop_ext

Hi, thanks for the information. I downloaded the extension and found out that it is for Impress Presentations, not for Writer documents. I am producing a newsletter for the organization, and that must be produced in Writer and changed to PDF for distribution. This extension won't help that process, but I am also an instructor and have to produce Powerpoint presentations for my classes. I can try to produce them in Impress, and I am sure that the extension will prove its worth then. I hadn't realized that there were extensions to Open Office, so now I know they are there and figured out how to install them.

Thanks, Mark

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Mark Misulich

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How do you do for create the pdf file? Directly from open office or saving like ps and converting from ps to pdf?

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Hi, so far I have only used WinXp and Adobe 6 to produce the document that I sent out. As a result of all the help that I received on this list I found out that I can create a pdf two ways. One way is to export the odf file to pdf using the pdf icon on writer's tool menu, or clicking on export to pdf on the file dropdown menu. The export to pdf file has a window where one may designate the jpeg image quality for the pdf, and by decreasing it one may decrease the pdf file size (along with the quality). The other way is to print the odf file to file, and it will be saved in a ps format. Then convert the saved ps document to pdf using ps2pdf in command line, using the format ps2pdf (psfile from) (pdffile to) Regards, Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Kai Ponte
Mark Misulich
Rajko M.
Sam Clemens
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