Hi! I have a randomly occuring problem on my suse 9.2 (fully patched via YOU and upgraded to KDE 3.3.2 via yast/supplementary updates). What happens is that my mouse cursor disappears sometimes, and the system stops responding to any mouse events. It happens rather rarely and on random, so I can not reproduce this, nor to guess about possible causes. Other than this, system works stably and reliably, with long uptimes. When I restart X, all goes fine again. Mouse cursor shows up and everything works as normal. But, I use my suse as a desktop/office machine and it is very annoying when you have to close and restart everything in the middle of your work... Is this seen by other members of the list? Are there possible explanations or solutions, maybe? I hope at least that there might be some kind of workaround (like restarting some process, initiating system to scan and discover the mouse again or such...), but was not able to find anything useful on my own... Any kind of help, please... TIA cikasole
On Tuesday 11 Jan 2005 12:04, Radule Soskic wrote:
Hi!
I have a randomly occuring problem on my suse 9.2 (fully patched via YOU and upgraded to KDE 3.3.2 via yast/supplementary updates).
What happens is that my mouse cursor disappears sometimes, and the system stops responding to any mouse events. It happens rather rarely and on random, so I can not reproduce this, nor to guess about possible causes. Other than this, system works stably and reliably, with long uptimes.
When I restart X, all goes fine again. Mouse cursor shows up and everything works as normal. But, I use my suse as a desktop/office machine and it is very annoying when you have to close and restart everything in the middle of your work...
Is this seen by other members of the list? Are there possible explanations or solutions, maybe?
I hope at least that there might be some kind of workaround (like restarting some process, initiating system to scan and discover the mouse again or such...), but was not able to find anything useful on my own...
Any kind of help, please...
TIA
cikasole
I am having similar problems here It seems to be linked to the Nvidia drivers and certain GL screen savers if i use the Fireworks 3D (GL) screen saver i get the lockups of the mouse cursor if i Ctrl+Tab to the next desktop all is ok again mouse everyting if it then go back to the desktop with Control Center open on it with the Fireworks 3D screensaver highlited it locks again until i can nudge the mouse a bit at a time to select another saver . Runnig Nvidia FX5200 128Mb suse 9.2 KDE 3.3.2 the latest Nvidia drivers have also tried the previous driver still the same . I believe it may be kernel related to the 2.6.8-24.10-default kernel i have not backdated to a previous kernel yet not had time anyone tried yet interested to see if it sorts it out . Pete . -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 got no time for twats with bum email adresses that are realy big WHIMPS G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..
Yes, I have the problem too, however the only way I can recover the mouse is to reinstall SuSE!...what a pain. I'm on a Dell notebook latitude c640 with a USB mouse. Given that I don't think it has to do with Nvidia(I'm running ATI). I believe it kernel releated to USB. This notebook/mouse ran clean SuSE 7.3, 8.0, 8.2, problem showed up in 9.0, 9.1 still around with 9.2, Debian sarge donesn't have this problem....joe On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 00:33 +0000, peter Nikolic wrote:
On Tuesday 11 Jan 2005 12:04, Radule Soskic wrote:
Hi!
I have a randomly occuring problem on my suse 9.2 (fully patched via YOU and upgraded to KDE 3.3.2 via yast/supplementary updates).
What happens is that my mouse cursor disappears sometimes, and the system stops responding to any mouse events. It happens rather rarely and on random, so I can not reproduce this, nor to guess about possible causes. Other than this, system works stably and reliably, with long uptimes.
When I restart X, all goes fine again. Mouse cursor shows up and everything works as normal. But, I use my suse as a desktop/office machine and it is very annoying when you have to close and restart everything in the middle of your work...
Is this seen by other members of the list? Are there possible explanations or solutions, maybe?
I hope at least that there might be some kind of workaround (like restarting some process, initiating system to scan and discover the mouse again or such...), but was not able to find anything useful on my own...
Any kind of help, please...
TIA
cikasole
I am having similar problems here
It seems to be linked to the Nvidia drivers and certain GL screen savers if i use the Fireworks 3D (GL) screen saver i get the lockups of the mouse cursor if i Ctrl+Tab to the next desktop all is ok again mouse everyting if it then go back to the desktop with Control Center open on it with the Fireworks 3D screensaver highlited it locks again until i can nudge the mouse a bit at a time to select another saver .
Runnig Nvidia FX5200 128Mb suse 9.2 KDE 3.3.2 the latest Nvidia drivers have also tried the previous driver still the same .
I believe it may be kernel related to the 2.6.8-24.10-default kernel i have not backdated to a previous kernel yet not had time anyone tried yet interested to see if it sorts it out .
Pete .
-- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 got no time for twats with bum email adresses that are realy big WHIMPS G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..
When I restart X, all goes fine again. Mouse cursor shows up and everything works as normal
~ maybe, there is a workaround . . . like :- as 'root' .............................. #!/bin/sh # # set up mouse for konsole # gpm -k gpm -t ps2 -m /dev/mouse ............................ { gpm -k will kill the mouse . . . then, experiment to find out what fresh mouse instruction works best? } best rgds _________
riccardo wrote:
When I restart X, all goes fine again. Mouse cursor shows up and everything works as normal
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~ maybe, there is a workaround . . . like :- as 'root'
I have a related but different problem with mice and 9.2. Having upgraded several systems that work into a Belkin KVM. All was fine under 9.0, but under 9.2, when you switch PC's the cursor goes berserk, its as if one (or more) of the buttons is permanently selected. Task bar icons get dragged into new positions, windows open and shut randomly and apps run. Sometimes ctrl Tab to a tty window and back to the X screen fixes it, but often not. Quitting X cures it. (if I can manage that without doing to much random damage) I have now resorted to multiple mice!! -- Tim Nicholson http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.
On Wednesday 12 Jan 2005 09:34, Tim Nicholson wrote:
I have a related but different problem with mice and 9.2. Having upgraded several systems that work into a Belkin KVM. All was fine under 9.0, but under 9.2, when you switch PC's the cursor goes berserk, its as if one (or more) of the buttons is permanently selected. Task bar icons get dragged into new positions, windows open and shut randomly and apps run.
This is reminiscent of a problem I came across when using 9.1 on an IBM R31 laptop. The erratic mouse movement was fixed by adding i8042.nomux=1 to the "boot options" parameters. I have no idea what this does, but I got it on a forum somewhere. I also doubt it would help you much, but I mention it just because it solved a similar problem. -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - Meddalwedd Rhydd yn Gymraeg www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD!
Kevin Donnelly wrote:
On Wednesday 12 Jan 2005 09:34, Tim Nicholson wrote:
I have a related but different problem with mice and 9.2. Having upgraded several systems that work into a Belkin KVM. All was fine under 9.0, but under 9.2, when you switch PC's the cursor goes berserk, its as if one (or more) of the buttons is permanently selected. Task bar icons get dragged into new positions, windows open and shut randomly and apps run.
This is reminiscent of a problem I came across when using 9.1 on an IBM R31 laptop. The erratic mouse movement was fixed by adding i8042.nomux=1 to the "boot options" parameters. I have no idea what this does, but I got it on a forum somewhere. I also doubt it would help you much, but I mention it just because it solved a similar problem.
I also have the R31 and used that parameter to. It's also required in 9.2.
James Knott wrote:
Kevin Donnelly wrote:
On Wednesday 12 Jan 2005 09:34, Tim Nicholson wrote:
I have a related but different problem with mice and 9.2. Having upgraded several systems that work into a Belkin KVM. All was fine under 9.0, but under 9.2, when you switch PC's the cursor goes berserk, its as if one (or more) of the buttons is permanently selected. Task bar icons get dragged into new positions, windows open and shut randomly and apps run.
This is reminiscent of a problem I came across when using 9.1 on an IBM R31 laptop. The erratic mouse movement was fixed by adding i8042.nomux=1 to the "boot options" parameters. I have no idea what this does, but I got it on a forum somewhere. I also doubt it would help you much, but I mention it just because it solved a similar problem.
I also have the R31 and used that parameter to. It's also required in 9.2.
James and Kevin, How do you get to the "boot options" parameter to add the i8042.nomux=1. I also have similar problem. I was using an IBM versatile mouse with no problems under 9.0 and 9.1. Then a did a fresh install with 9.2 and the mouse has never worked. As you said the coursor goes berserk and whereever pass activates whatever is in focus. I tried every mouse and every option with no effect. Under os/2 and xp the mouse works as usual. I have a 2nd mouse exactly the same. I replace it thinking could be a hardware problem but again the same problem repetead again. My assumption was that they just removed the device drive for that mouse so I bought a new logitech optical mouse (wired) with 3 button and a wheel (BT96e). This mouse works somehow: the buttons work but the wheel does not. Again I tried all the option I could find with no effect. In summary something is wrong with the mouse under 9.2. It is not a hardware issue. It may be some setup that I can not find. I want to try your tip but I am not sure where do you change those "boot options" parameters. TIA All the best -=terry(Denver)=-
On Thursday 13 Jan 2005 14:18, Teruel de Campo wrote:
How do you get to the "boot options" parameter to add the i8042.nomux=1.
Just type it in at the bottom of the screen at the Grub boot menu, or alternatively add it via YaST. YaST -> System -> Boot Loader Configuration, highlight "Available Sections" -> Edit, highlight SUSE LINUX 9.2 -> Edit, and add it at the end of the "kernel" line.
In summary something is wrong with the mouse under 9.2. It is not a hardware issue. It may be some setup that I can not find. I want to try your tip but I am not sure where do you change those "boot options" parameters.
I was surprised to read James' comment, actually, because I had installed 9.2 on the same laptop, and did NOT need this parameter - the mouse works fine on 9.2, although it went haywire on 9.1! -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - Meddalwedd Rhydd yn Gymraeg www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD!
On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 15:03, Kevin Donnelly wrote:
On Thursday 13 Jan 2005 14:18, Teruel de Campo wrote:
How do you get to the "boot options" parameter to add the i8042.nomux=1.
Just type it in at the bottom of the screen at the Grub boot menu, or alternatively add it via YaST. YaST -> System -> Boot Loader Configuration, highlight "Available Sections" -> Edit, highlight SUSE LINUX 9.2 -> Edit, and add it at the end of the "kernel" line.
In summary something is wrong with the mouse under 9.2. It is not a hardware issue. It may be some setup that I can not find. I want to try your tip but I am not sure where do you change those "boot options" parameters.
I was surprised to read James' comment, actually, because I had installed 9.2 on the same laptop, and did NOT need this parameter - the mouse works fine on 9.2, although it went haywire on 9.1!
Hi I have the same problem when switching with the KVM switch but making the addition to the kernel line did not help. I can stop the mouse pointer , actually in my case a track ball, going wild by unplugging it for the KVM switch and plugging it straight back in again Any other recommendations would be welcome. Failing that I will hope the 9.2 upgrade from 9.1will solve it for me. Regards Roger
I also get the mouse gone wild problem intermittently with a Belkin KVM and SuSE 9.2. Rebooting Linux usually solves it, but I had assumed that it was a problem with the Belkin; this thread implies that it may be a software problem. I will try the kernel parameter suggested below, although not with high hopes... Nigel On 13 Jan 2005, at 18:36, Roger wrote:
On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 15:03, Kevin Donnelly wrote:
On Thursday 13 Jan 2005 14:18, Teruel de Campo wrote:
How do you get to the "boot options" parameter to add the i8042.nomux=1.
Just type it in at the bottom of the screen at the Grub boot menu, or alternatively add it via YaST. YaST -> System -> Boot Loader Configuration, highlight "Available Sections" -> Edit, highlight SUSE LINUX 9.2 -> Edit, and add it at the end of the "kernel" line.
In summary something is wrong with the mouse under 9.2. It is not a hardware issue. It may be some setup that I can not find. I want to try your tip but I am not sure where do you change those "boot options" parameters.
I was surprised to read James' comment, actually, because I had installed 9.2 on the same laptop, and did NOT need this parameter - the mouse works fine on 9.2, although it went haywire on 9.1!
Hi I have the same problem when switching with the KVM switch but making the addition to the kernel line did not help. I can stop the mouse pointer , actually in my case a track ball, going wild by unplugging it for the KVM switch and plugging it straight back in again Any other recommendations would be welcome. Failing that I will hope the 9.2 upgrade from 9.1will solve it for me. Regards Roger
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Ya know, as far as the "mouse gone wild problem intermittently with a Belkin KVM and SuSE", I've also noticed WHAT does this. It is a matter of time from when you flip the switch and move the mouse. If you wait a second or two after switching the switch, you can expect the mouse to be correct EVERY time. Hope this helps B-)_ On Thursday 13 January 2005 04:49 pm, Nigel Gilbert wrote:
I also get the mouse gone wild problem intermittently with a Belkin KVM and SuSE 9.2. Rebooting Linux usually solves it, but I had assumed that it was a problem with the Belkin; this thread implies that it may be a software problem. I will try the kernel parameter suggested below, although not with high hopes...
Nigel
On 13 Jan 2005, at 18:36, Roger wrote:
On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 15:03, Kevin Donnelly wrote:
On Thursday 13 Jan 2005 14:18, Teruel de Campo wrote:
How do you get to the "boot options" parameter to add the i8042.nomux=1.
Just type it in at the bottom of the screen at the Grub boot menu, or alternatively add it via YaST. YaST -> System -> Boot Loader Configuration, highlight "Available Sections" -> Edit, highlight SUSE LINUX 9.2 -> Edit, and add it at the end of the "kernel" line.
In summary something is wrong with the mouse under 9.2. It is not a hardware issue. It may be some setup that I can not find. I want to try your tip but I am not sure where do you change those "boot options" parameters.
I was surprised to read James' comment, actually, because I had installed 9.2 on the same laptop, and did NOT need this parameter - the mouse works fine on 9.2, although it went haywire on 9.1!
Hi I have the same problem when switching with the KVM switch but making the addition to the kernel line did not help. I can stop the mouse pointer , actually in my case a track ball, going wild by unplugging it for the KVM switch and plugging it straight back in again Any other recommendations would be welcome. Failing that I will hope the 9.2 upgrade from 9.1will solve it for me. Regards Roger
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On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 23:58, Brad Bourn wrote:
Ya know, as far as the "mouse gone wild problem intermittently with a Belkin KVM and SuSE", I've also noticed WHAT does this. It is a matter of time from when you flip the switch and move the mouse. If you wait a second or two after switching the switch, you can expect the mouse to be correct EVERY time.
OK how much longer that 20 seconds ?(that's what I just tried so I guess that's not going to work for me. ) With Red Hat switching away from the GUI to a console and straight back solved it but that fails as well with 9.1. One further test on switching back with the KVM switch if I unplug the mouse lead from the switch and plug it back in before moving the mouse that solves the problem. Fortunately I don't have to switch that often. hope that helps someone. Roger
Brad Bourn wrote:
Ya know, as far as the "mouse gone wild problem intermittently with a Belkin KVM and SuSE", I've also noticed WHAT does this. It is a matter of time from when you flip the switch and move the mouse. If you wait a second or two after switching the switch, you can expect the mouse to be correct EVERY time.
That doesn't work with my Protec Bytelan KVM.
Nigel Gilbert wrote:
I also get the mouse gone wild problem intermittently with a Belkin KVM and SuSE 9.2. Rebooting Linux usually solves it, but I had assumed that it was a problem with the Belkin; this thread implies that it may be a software problem. I will try the kernel parameter suggested below, although not with high hopes...
That's an entirely different problem.
Nigel Gilbert wrote:
I also get the mouse gone wild problem intermittently with a Belkin KVM and SuSE 9.2. Rebooting Linux usually solves it, but I had assumed that it was a problem with the Belkin; this thread implies that it may be a software problem. I will try the kernel parameter suggested below, although not with high hopes...
Nigel I also get this behaviour every time I switch between a 9.0 and a dual-boot 9.2 and WinXP system with a bottom of the range KVM switch. What I do is make sure that whatever system I want to go to and the system I am going from are at the KDE login screen.
Then I KVM switch and mess about on the other machine. When I want to go back to 9.0, I switch the KVM and restart X by Ctrl+backspace. The mouse is then fine on the 9.0 box. HiH -- The Little Helper ======================================================================== Hylton Conacher - Linux user # 229959 at http://counter.li.org Currently using SuSE 9.0 Professional with KDE 3.1 Licenced Windows user ========================================================================
Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
Nigel Gilbert wrote:
I also get the mouse gone wild problem intermittently with a Belkin KVM and SuSE 9.2. Rebooting Linux usually solves it, but I had assumed that it was a problem with the Belkin; this thread implies that it may be a software problem. I will try the kernel parameter suggested below, although not with high hopes...
Nigel
I also get this behaviour every time I switch between a 9.0 and a dual-boot 9.2 and WinXP system with a bottom of the range KVM switch. What I do is make sure that whatever system I want to go to and the system I am going from are at the KDE login screen.
Then I KVM switch and mess about on the other machine. When I want to go back to 9.0, I switch the KVM and restart X by Ctrl+backspace. The mouse is then fine on the 9.0 box.
I do similar here, in that when I switch back to Linux, I switch to a text console and back to the desktop. However, while this works in SuSE 9.0, it doesn't in 9.1 or 9.2. I've got a Protec BYTELAN switch. This problem appears unique to Linux. I've never seen it happen in OS/2 or Windows.
On Saturday 15 January 2005 1:16 pm, James Knott wrote:
Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
Nigel Gilbert wrote:
I also get the mouse gone wild problem intermittently with a Belkin KVM and SuSE 9.2. Rebooting Linux usually solves it, but I had assumed that it was a problem with the Belkin; this thread implies that it may be a software problem. I will try the kernel
Then I KVM switch and mess about on the other machine. When I want to go back to 9.0, I switch the KVM and restart X by Ctrl+backspace. The mouse is then fine on the 9.0 box.
I do similar here, in that when I switch back to Linux, I switch to a text console and back to the desktop. However, while this works in SuSE 9.0, it doesn't in 9.1 or 9.2. I've got a Protec BYTELAN switch.
This problem appears unique to Linux. I've never seen it happen in OS/2 or Windows.
Hi, Does this prob act differently if you ONLY SWITCH SYSTEMS via the button on the KVM panel? I find that the Belkin "Scroll lock 'til beep, then up or down arrow" or "Scroll lock 'til beep, then upper row numeric key (1 - 4) has subtle differences. PeterB -- -- Proud SUSE user since 5.2 Loving SUSE 9.2 My BLOG == http://vancampen.org/blog --
Peter B Van Campen wrote:
On Saturday 15 January 2005 1:16 pm, James Knott wrote:
Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
Nigel Gilbert wrote:
I also get the mouse gone wild problem intermittently with a Belkin KVM and SuSE 9.2. Rebooting Linux usually solves it, but I had assumed that it was a problem with the Belkin; this thread implies that it may be a software problem. I will try the kernel
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Then I KVM switch and mess about on the other machine. When I want to go back to 9.0, I switch the KVM and restart X by Ctrl+backspace. The mouse is then fine on the 9.0 box.
I do similar here, in that when I switch back to Linux, I switch to a text console and back to the desktop. However, while this works in SuSE 9.0, it doesn't in 9.1 or 9.2. I've got a Protec BYTELAN switch.
This problem appears unique to Linux. I've never seen it happen in OS/2 or Windows.
Hi,
Does this prob act differently if you ONLY SWITCH SYSTEMS via the button on the KVM panel? I find that the Belkin "Scroll lock 'til beep, then up or down arrow" or "Scroll lock 'til beep, then upper row numeric key (1 - 4) has subtle differences.
It doesn't matter how I switch.
I had similar problems with my kvm and changed to a completley mechanical setup and have found it works perfectly. I use two machines through it. One is xp ane is suse 9.2 and I don't have any hasles moving between the two. The set up takes more room on the desk but it does work. (Also some people think it will give me problems as the contacts in the mechs wear, but all set ups must have some method of picking up connections and so some moving parts; even if its only a button gong up and down) Chris. -----Original Message----- From: James Knott [mailto:james.knott@rogers.com] Sent: Sunday, 16 January 2005 9:23 AM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Mouse problems in 9.2 Peter B Van Campen wrote:
On Saturday 15 January 2005 1:16 pm, James Knott wrote:
Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
Nigel Gilbert wrote:
I also get the mouse gone wild problem intermittently with a Belkin KVM and SuSE 9.2. Rebooting Linux usually solves it, but I had assumed that it was a problem with the Belkin; this thread implies that it may be a software problem. I will try the kernel
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Then I KVM switch and mess about on the other machine. When I want to go back to 9.0, I switch the KVM and restart X by Ctrl+backspace. The mouse is then fine on the 9.0 box.
I do similar here, in that when I switch back to Linux, I switch to a text console and back to the desktop. However, while this works in SuSE 9.0, it doesn't in 9.1 or 9.2. I've got a Protec BYTELAN switch.
This problem appears unique to Linux. I've never seen it happen in OS/2 or Windows.
Hi,
Does this prob act differently if you ONLY SWITCH SYSTEMS via the button on the KVM panel? I find that the Belkin "Scroll lock 'til beep, then up or down arrow" or "Scroll lock 'til beep, then upper row numeric key (1 - 4) has subtle differences.
It doesn't matter how I switch. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Kevin Donnelly wrote:
How do you get to the "boot options" parameter to add the i8042.nomux=1.
Just type it in at the bottom of the screen at the Grub boot menu, or alternatively add it via YaST. YaST -> System -> Boot Loader Configuration, highlight "Available Sections" -> Edit, highlight SUSE LINUX 9.2 -> Edit, and add it at the end of the "kernel" line.
Kevin, Thxs, -=terry(Denver)=-
Teruel de Campo wrote:
James Knott wrote:
How do you get to the "boot options" parameter to add the i8042.nomux=1.
To use it initially, you can type it in the box, that appears on the grub menu, during boot up. Once the computer is up and running, you can go into Yast, to configure the menu.1st file (or do it manually, with an editor) to add that parameter.
On Thu January 13 2005 6:18 am, Teruel de Campo wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Kevin Donnelly wrote:
On Wednesday 12 Jan 2005 09:34, Tim Nicholson wrote:
I have a related but different problem with mice and 9.2. Having upgraded several systems that work into a Belkin KVM. All was fine under 9.0, but under 9.2, when you switch PC's the cursor goes berserk, its as if one (or more) of the buttons is permanently selected. Task bar icons get dragged into new positions, windows open and shut randomly and apps run.
Hello. If you are using KDE; check your mouse settings in the control center ->Peripherals -> mouse. If "Automatically select icons" is selected, -unselect it and see if that helps. Rich -- Rich Matson Reno, Nv. USA
C. Richard Matson wrote:
On Thu January 13 2005 6:18 am, Teruel de Campo wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Kevin Donnelly wrote:
On Wednesday 12 Jan 2005 09:34, Tim Nicholson wrote:
I have a related but different problem with mice and 9.2. Having upgraded several systems that work into a Belkin KVM. All was fine under 9.0, but under 9.2, when you switch PC's the cursor goes berserk, its as if one (or more) of the buttons is permanently selected. Task bar icons get dragged into new positions, windows open and shut randomly and apps run.
Hello. If you are using KDE; check your mouse settings in the control center ->Peripherals -> mouse. If "Automatically select icons" is selected, -unselect it and see if that helps. Rich
It is not selected.
On Sunday 16 January 2005 5:03 pm, James Knott wrote:
C. Richard Matson wrote:
On Thu January 13 2005 6:18 am, Teruel de Campo wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Kevin Donnelly wrote:
On Wednesday 12 Jan 2005 09:34, Tim Nicholson wrote:
I have a related but different problem with mice and 9.2. Having upgraded several systems that work into a Belkin KVM. All was fine under 9.0, but under 9.2, when you switch PC's the cursor goes berserk, its as if one (or more) of the buttons is permanently selected. Task bar icons get dragged into new positions, windows open and shut randomly and apps run.
Hello. If you are using KDE; check your mouse settings in the control center ->Peripherals -> mouse. If "Automatically select icons" is selected, -unselect it and see if that helps. Rich
Hi Guys, I actually ended up liking seperate mice. I can leave the cursor on the "MUTE" icon on the sound playing PC and such which allows some things to happen w/o switching systemc PeterB -- -- Proud SUSE user since 5.2 Loving SUSE 9.2 My BLOG == http://vancampen.org/blog --
Sorry, I posted after Peter, but before I noticed this one... This looks promissing - I'll definitely try this when my problem occures next time. Meanwhile, I'll "man gpm". Thank you. cikasole On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 06:48 +0000, riccardo wrote:
When I restart X, all goes fine again. Mouse cursor shows up and everything works as normal
~ maybe, there is a workaround . . . like :- as 'root'
.............................. #!/bin/sh # # set up mouse for konsole # gpm -k gpm -t ps2 -m /dev/mouse
............................
{ gpm -k will kill the mouse . . . then, experiment to find out what fresh mouse instruction works best? }
best rgds _________
I am having similar problems here
It seems to be linked to the Nvidia drivers and certain GL screen savers if i use the Fireworks 3D (GL) screen saver i get the lockups of the mouse cursor if i Ctrl+Tab to the next desktop all is ok again mouse everyting if it then go back to the desktop with Control Center open on it with the Fireworks 3D screensaver highlited it locks again until i can nudge the mouse a bit at a time to select another saver .
Runnig Nvidia FX5200 128Mb suse 9.2 KDE 3.3.2 the latest Nvidia drivers have also tried the previous driver still the same .
I believe it may be kernel related to the 2.6.8-24.10-default kernel i have not backdated to a previous kernel yet not had time anyone tried yet interested to see if it sorts it out .
Pete .
Well it's three of us so far. But, I'm afraid there's not much common to the three cases together. I have two *identcal* HP Compaq d530 computers here - one running suse9.1 (dual boot with winXP) and one running suse9.2 (fully updated to KDE 3.3.2 and kernel 2.6.8-24.10-default)...Only suse9.2 machine has the mentioned problems, even after I swapped mouses between the two (Laugh now, Bred!). So, Peter, No nVidia here, as you see. It's Intel 865G (i810). Also, the symptoms that I mentioned occur regardless of screen saver in use, being active or inactive. Further, my mouse cursor is not locked - it just disappears, while system stops responding to mouse events. System keeps responding to keyboard, my screen is refreshing as normal, no signs of anything taking too much CPU cycles or such. I also can connect to comp via ssh and all is fine. It's just my mouse that dies, making my desktop operation *very* uncomfortable. The only way that I found out of this is to kill the whole X thing (ctrl-alt-bkspace) and to log in again to KDE session. I don't need to shutdown/restart the OS like Gary. It's enough just to restart X. Another strange thing is that I can not log out of my session normally - if I go to "end session" screen (ctrl-alt-del) I can not do anything anymore, except ctrl-alt-backspace....(Another difference to Gary's case). I hope "there must be some kind of way out of here" (Dylan/Hendrix)... What are the processes that control/'respond to' the mouse? My perception of linux so far is that almost all problems can be solved "in vivo" with minimum disruption of the rest of the system. Just stopping and restarting certain process(es) helped me so many times...Hope this time too. Thanks for your answers, guys. It would be nice if more people contribute to this thread, TIA. cikasole
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 04:36, Radule Soskic wrote:
I have two *identcal* HP Compaq d530 computers here - one running suse9.1 (dual boot with winXP) and one running suse9.2 (fully updated to KDE 3.3.2 and kernel 2.6.8-24.10-default)...Only suse9.2 machine has the mentioned problems, even after I swapped mouses between the two (Laugh now, Bred!).
What is the mouse problem you're having, I missed the earlier thread. I too have a Compaq system, and Armada E500 1GHz notebook and I notice that my cursor jumps every now and then. I chalked it up to the wonders of optical mouse technology. -- Charles McColm, charm@porchlight.ca http://tuxspot.blogspot.com/
yep charles I agree, it a suse problem, because like you I have identcal machines, several sets, dells and tyans and suse 9.2 has a mouse problems on every system sometime or another. I have a simple solution. When I can't recover the mouse after about a week of trying everything(most of the time it comes back),I convert the machine to Debian/Gnome and the problem goes away and doesn't come back. I've about 4 more machines to convert.....joe On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 23:39 -0500, Charles McColm wrote:
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 04:36, Radule Soskic wrote:
I have two *identcal* HP Compaq d530 computers here - one running suse9.1 (dual boot with winXP) and one running suse9.2 (fully updated to KDE 3.3.2 and kernel 2.6.8-24.10-default)...Only suse9.2 machine has the mentioned problems, even after I swapped mouses between the two (Laugh now, Bred!).
What is the mouse problem you're having, I missed the earlier thread. I too have a Compaq system, and Armada E500 1GHz notebook and I notice that my cursor jumps every now and then. I chalked it up to the wonders of optical mouse technology.
-- Charles McColm, charm@porchlight.ca http://tuxspot.blogspot.com/
Radule Soskic wrote: <snip>
What happens is that my mouse cursor disappears sometimes, and the system stops responding to any mouse events. It happens rather rarely and on random, so I can not reproduce this, nor to guess about possible causes. Other than this, system works stably and reliably, with long uptimes.
When I restart X, all goes fine again. Mouse cursor shows up and everything works as normal. But, I use my suse as a desktop/office machine and it is very annoying when you have to close and restart everything in the middle of your work...
Is this seen by other members of the list? Are there possible explanations or solutions, maybe?
<snip> Hi Radule, Funny you should post this... I just experienced the same problem for a *second* time. Before you go crazy chasing down and trying different modules/drivers/settings, etc., I highly recommend you just install a new or borrowed (known working) mouse. Background: The first time I experienced this problem was last year -- immediately after one of those "supplementary" KDE upgrades. I tried to resolve it unsuccessfully for a weekend and, eventually, just formatted and reinstalled. I ran a 'stock' system plus YOU updates until a few months later, when the mouse just suddenly "died." It couldn't be seen by either SuSE or my fall-back Win98SE. I even replaced the cable using a cannibalized one from a known good mouse. No joy... obviously a sensor or some supporting circuitry had failed. The problem was solved by purchasing a new mouse. The relevant point: I treated the first incident as a KDE/Linux issue and the second as a simple hardware failure. I didn't connect the dots because there were too few of them. Yesterday, I backed up my perfectly stable but highly customized SuSE 9.0 installation and installed 9.2. Within an hour of starting to test drive the new version, my mouse cursor started 'ducking under' (still there but invisible) and activating whatever link it happened to find itself hovering over. When it decided to reappear, it was someplace unexpected and random on the screen. It ignored about half of my attempts to guide it when it did decide to become visible. And yes, the behavior was random and intermittent. I *almost* started looking at drivers/modules/settings again, but instead -- based on hindsight -- I opened the mouse and replaced the cable. It worked like a charm. I'd bet money now that a failing cable is what actually killed the circuitry in my previous mouse. Of course, YMMV, but maybe this might be useful. Good luck! - Carl -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/05
Carl, Thank you for the answer. I see two important differences between our cases: first, I think it's not just invisible (hovering as you say) cursor but completely irresponsive (no clicks accepted, nothing...). I tried moving, right clicking, double clicking etc, no success. Second, I swapped mice between two identical machines - the other one dies too, while the first one works fine on another machine...What can one conclude? Again, I'll take the advice and replace this mouse with the third (and totally different) one. At last, it's possible that these two identical mice are also "identically broken"... Thanks again for your advice, Best regards cikasole On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 10:40 -0500, Carl Hartung wrote:
Radule Soskic wrote:
<snip>
What happens is that my mouse cursor disappears sometimes, and the system stops responding to any mouse events. It happens rather rarely and on random, so I can not reproduce this, nor to guess about possible causes. Other than this, system works stably and reliably, with long uptimes.
When I restart X, all goes fine again. Mouse cursor shows up and everything works as normal. But, I use my suse as a desktop/office machine and it is very annoying when you have to close and restart everything in the middle of your work...
Is this seen by other members of the list? Are there possible explanations or solutions, maybe?
<snip>
Hi Radule,
Funny you should post this... I just experienced the same problem for a *second* time. Before you go crazy chasing down and trying different modules/drivers/settings, etc., I highly recommend you just install a new or borrowed (known working) mouse.
Background: The first time I experienced this problem was last year -- immediately after one of those "supplementary" KDE upgrades. I tried to resolve it unsuccessfully for a weekend and, eventually, just formatted and reinstalled. I ran a 'stock' system plus YOU updates until a few months later, when the mouse just suddenly "died." It couldn't be seen by either SuSE or my fall-back Win98SE. I even replaced the cable using a cannibalized one from a known good mouse. No joy... obviously a sensor or some supporting circuitry had failed. The problem was solved by purchasing a new mouse.
The relevant point: I treated the first incident as a KDE/Linux issue and the second as a simple hardware failure. I didn't connect the dots because there were too few of them.
Yesterday, I backed up my perfectly stable but highly customized SuSE 9.0 installation and installed 9.2. Within an hour of starting to test drive the new version, my mouse cursor started 'ducking under' (still there but invisible) and activating whatever link it happened to find itself hovering over. When it decided to reappear, it was someplace unexpected and random on the screen. It ignored about half of my attempts to guide it when it did decide to become visible. And yes, the behavior was random and intermittent.
I *almost* started looking at drivers/modules/settings again, but instead -- based on hindsight -- I opened the mouse and replaced the cable. It worked like a charm. I'd bet money now that a failing cable is what actually killed the circuitry in my previous mouse.
Of course, YMMV, but maybe this might be useful.
Good luck!
- Carl
-- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/05
Hi Radule, <snip>
I see two important differences between our cases... <snip>
That's the joy in troubleshooting intermittent electronic 'glitches', eh? <g> If you swapped identical mice between identical machines running the same OS and a) the problem didn't migrate to the other machine and b) the original problem didn't go away, then you've probably succeeded in eliminating the mouse as a cause for your problem. Here are a few other items to check: - From outside the computer: Look for anything out of the ordinary in the socket, like dust, pet fur, other debris or loose/bent/corroded pins. Just make sure you're getting good, clean mechanically sound connections between the plug and socket and that nothing feels "loose" or "sloppy" when you're plugging the mouse in. - From inside the computer: Check that the socket, itself, is still in good shape (not beat-up and no loose parts) and that it is still firmly mounted to the motherboard. I've seen the sockets damaged, loosened and knocked out of alignment by the systems being moved/handled with the mouse still plugged in. These parts are all tiny and delicate. It doesn't take much to damage them. - Also from inside the computer: Confirm that the socket is properly aligned with the hole in the computer case. There should be no interference as the plug is being inserted or removed, and no sideward stress on the plug pushing it out of alignment. Again, good luck! - Carl -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/05
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