YaST URL entering

houghi

26 Sep 2005 26 Sep '05

15:24

When you want to add a new instalation source, you need to enter three things. 1. The type of source, e.g. CD, HD, FTP, HTTP 2. The server 3. The directory Is there any reason that you can not do this on one line? e.g. ftp://ftp.example.com/dir/opensuse cd://media/dev/ http://mirror.example.net/dir/subdir/subsubdir/opensuse ... Also, what is the file where this information is kept? houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

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Christoph Thiel

26 Sep 26 Sep

15:26

New subject: [opensuse] YaST URL entering

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, houghi wrote:

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When you want to add a new instalation source, you need to enter three things. 1. The type of source, e.g. CD, HD, FTP, HTTP 2. The server 3. The directory

Is there any reason that you can not do this on one line? e.g. ftp://ftp.example.com/dir/opensuse cd://media/dev/ http://mirror.example.net/dir/subdir/subsubdir/opensuse

As far as I know we already have an enhancement request on this...

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Also, what is the file where this information is kept?

/var/adm/YaST/InstSrcManager/IS_CACHE* Regards Christoph

houghi

15:37

New subject: [opensuse] YaST URL entering

On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 05:26:05PM +0200, Christoph Thiel wrote:

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As far as I know we already have an enhancement request on this...

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Also, what is the file where this information is kept?

/var/adm/YaST/InstSrcManager/IS_CACHE*

OK. Thanks for the fast reply. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

Pascal Bleser

15:59

New subject: [opensuse] YaST URL entering

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When you want to add a new instalation source, you need to enter three things. 1. The type of source, e.g. CD, HD, FTP, HTTP 2. The server 3. The directory Is there any reason that you can not do this on one line? e.g. ftp://ftp.example.com/dir/opensuse cd://media/dev/ http://mirror.example.net/dir/subdir/subsubdir/opensuse

Would be much nicer indeed, splitting it into several fields isn't very useful, especially when you paste those URLs to beginners in IRC channels ;) Note that you can use "y2pmsh" and "installation_sources" to use fully-qualified URLs, e.g.: installation_sources -e -a http://mirror.example.net/dir/subdir/subsubdir/opensuse y2pmsh source -a http://mirror.example.net/dir/subdir/subsubdir/opensuse "installation_sources" is part of the "yast2-packagemanager" RPM, but for "y2pmsh" you must first install the "y2pmsh" package (that's shipped with SUSE).

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Also, what is the file where this information is kept?

You can also use y2pmsh to list the sources: y2pmsh source -s cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ _\_v ===> FOSDEM 2006 -- February 2006 in Brussels <=== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDOBrmr3NMWliFcXcRApHWAJ0UzRzk1nqS/2zY/dNE9tpTmgjlCQCeOFV5 uIz0g7aOuoGjy8aXuVgHN8U= =ihjM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Alexander Antoniades

27 Sep 27 Sep

02:31

Given the ease of something like klik:// and kio slaves, how hard would yast:// be implement. It's not like you can accidentally have someone messing up your system, since they would need su access to add it as a source. Of course it's the usual effort v use, since you don't really add sources all that often, but I always thought the apt:// kio slave in Debian was under utilized since it could theoretically be integrated into help files and instructions. Sander On 9/26/05, Pascal Bleser wrote:

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houghi wrote:

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When you want to add a new instalation source, you need to enter three things. 1. The type of source, e.g. CD, HD, FTP, HTTP 2. The server 3. The directory Is there any reason that you can not do this on one line? e.g. ftp://ftp.example.com/dir/opensuse cd://media/dev/ http://mirror.example.net/dir/subdir/subsubdir/opensuse

Would be much nicer indeed, splitting it into several fields isn't very useful, especially when you paste those URLs to beginners in IRC channels ;)

Note that you can use "y2pmsh" and "installation_sources" to use fully-qualified URLs, e.g.: installation_sources -e -a http://mirror.example.net/dir/subdir/subsubdir/opensuse y2pmsh source -a http://mirror.example.net/dir/subdir/subsubdir/opensuse

"installation_sources" is part of the "yast2-packagemanager" RPM, but for "y2pmsh" you must first install the "y2pmsh" package (that's shipped with SUSE).

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Also, what is the file where this information is kept?

You can also use y2pmsh to list the sources: y2pmsh source -s

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Matt Downs

06:08

New subject: Introduction and SuSEguide idea

Hello all. My name's Matt. I've been using SuSE now for about a year or so. Started out with 9.1 Personal, moved to Pro, then 9.3, and now I'm using OpenSuSE 10.0 RC and waiting for my copy of SuSE 10.0. I still consider myself a newbie to Linux, but I have gotten pretty comfortable in "thinking Linux" rather than "thinking Windows." Anyway, I've been also experimenting with Ubuntu for the past two months or so (went SuSE-less for that time, until last week downloading and installing OpenSuSE). One thing that struck me about Ubuntu was the ubuntuguide that helps new users to setup their computer so that they can use their computer the way they want (i.e. mp3 support, java, etc.). The guide uses apt-get to do this, which, initially, was a bit intimidating for a newb like myself. But the guide lays everything out in an easy step-by-step way, so that after the first few apt-get installs, it almost becomes second nature. Funny enough, when I returned to SuSE I found I had forgotten how I was supposed to set up YaST and use the GUIs! Most of y'all probably know about Ubuntu and the guide and such, so I'll get to my point: I think it would be very helpful if SuSE had something as straightforward as the ubuntuguide...a SuSEguide. The first part would help users set up YaST with extra repos (like Guru and Packman and anything else that might be needed or useful), and also do the same with apt4rpm or yum or the other popular package managers used by SuSE. The next part would, like the ubuntuguide, go through and help setup things like codec support, java, and various programs and apps that users might want but not know how to get. The idea would be to have something that is super repetitive, so that the processes will become second nature to the user. I think such a SuSEguide would be really helpful to new users and Windows-converts and for the older newbs (like me) who might have forgotten how things work in SuSE after trying out other distros. I'm not a programmer (though, I'm looking to teach myself some C++ in the coming year), but I want to contribute to the SuSE community cause I think that it's a great product. I'd be willing to write-up such a guide if there was interest (and help from people who new more what they were doing than I!) What do you think? Is this something that's come up before and been shot down? Is there someone working on a similar project already? Who should I talk to about this? Thanks.

Sonja Krause-Harder

07:29

New subject: [opensuse] Introduction and SuSEguide idea

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 03:08:39PM +0900, Matt Downs wrote:

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I'm not a programmer (though, I'm looking to teach myself some C++ in the coming year), but I want to contribute to the SuSE community cause I think that it's a great product. I'd be willing to write-up such a guide if there was interest (and help from people who new more what they were doing than I!) What do you think? Is this something that's come up before and been shot down? Is there someone working on a similar project already? Who should I talk to about this?

The logical place to host this and invite collaboration from others is the wiki at http://www.opensuse.org/. I think it is a great idea! Developers are generally not too eager to write user documentation at that level, so please go ahead. If you need help with the wiki, just speak up (but have a look at the help available at http://www.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Wiki_Project first). cheers, Sonja -- Sonja Krause-Harder (skh@suse.de) Research & Development SUSE Linux Products GmbH

Kenneth Aar

12:16

New subject: [opensuse] Introduction and SuSEguide idea

Matt Downs wrote:

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I think it would be very helpful if SuSE had something as straightforward as the ubuntuguide...a SuSEguide. The first part would help users set up YaST with extra repos (like Guru and Packman and anything else that might be needed or useful), and also do the same with apt4rpm or yum or the other popular package managers used by SuSE. The next part would, like the ubuntuguide, go through and help setup things like codec support, java, and various programs and apps that users might want but not know how to get. The idea would be to have something that is super repetitive, so that the processes will become second nature to the user.

I think such a SuSEguide would be really helpful to new users and Windows-converts and for the older newbs (like me) who might have forgotten how things work in SuSE after trying out other distros.

I would be interested in writing something like this together with you on the wiki. What should we call it? "SUSEguide"? I am a approximately the same level as you in regards to linux proficiency, so anyone a wee bit more experienced would be a welcome addition to the "team". -- Regards Kenneth Aar

houghi

16:15

New subject: [opensuse] Introduction and SuSEguide idea

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 02:16:59PM +0200, Kenneth Aar wrote:

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Matt Downs wrote:

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I think it would be very helpful if SuSE had something as straightforward as the ubuntuguide...a SuSEguide. The first part would help users set up YaST with extra repos (like Guru and Packman and anything else that might be needed or useful), and also do the same with apt4rpm or yum or the other popular package managers used by SuSE. The next part would, like the ubuntuguide, go through and help setup things like codec support, java, and various programs and apps that users might want but not know how to get. The idea would be to have something that is super repetitive, so that the processes will become second nature to the user.

I think such a SuSEguide would be really helpful to new users and Windows-converts and for the older newbs (like me) who might have forgotten how things work in SuSE after trying out other distros.

I would be interested in writing something like this together with you on the wiki. What should we call it? "SUSEguide"?

There already is SUSE help when you start up the first time. Also there are several pages that explain several things. Look at http://www.opensuse.org/User_Documentation and try not to write things twice. What could be worked on are the release notes that you see during the instalation. They disapear when you log in never to be sen again. A lot of things are explained on that page, like where to get Java, but between that page and actually logging in, this page is lost out of sight and should perhaps be easier to access.

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I am a approximately the same level as you in regards to linux proficiency, so anyone a wee bit more experienced would be a welcome addition to the "team".

Putting pages online at openSUSE is great and the more information there is, the better it is. However, if I have a problem with a connection or a wireless modem, I do not want to read: look at http://openSUSE.org, because that increases frustration for the user. So what perhaps is needed is a better way to explain to a first time user what to do. That is what `susehelp` already does. So perhaps a clearer way to get the message across that that is the first place to look for help. In there are the user guide and admin guide and a lot more things. Perhaps even `books-2005` can be included in that. I have written something on susehelp a while ago and could add this to openSUSE: http://houghi.org/pivot/entry.php?id=53 houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

martin mcleod

16:29

New subject: [opensuse] Introduction and SuSEguide idea

On 9/27/05, houghi wrote:

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I have written something on susehelp a while ago and could add this to openSUSE: http://houghi.org/pivot/entry.php?id=53

houghi -- That would be good info for a beginner to have.:-)

Regards

pmoellon

17:12

New subject: [opensuse] Introduction and SuSEguide idea

On 9/27/05, houghi wrote:

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What could be worked on are the release notes that you see during the instalation. They disapear when you log in never to be sen again. A lot of things are explained on that page, like where to get Java, but between that page and actually logging in, this page is lost out of sight and should perhaps be easier to access.

So right! This valuable information tends to be forgotten easily, as it is at the end of the installation... and before starting using the OS... "couldn't wait anymore!" ;-) And no way to print it at this stage, i guess. In older SuSE (and SUSE) versions, i had to manually copy the path. It used to be: /usr/share/docs/release-notes where there are RELEASE-NOTES in several languages and in 2 formats (rtf and html) A suggestion for working on it: Simply bookmark this file (the RELEASE-NOTES.default_language.html) in Konqueror or Firefox. The release-notes could remind at the end something like: "This page has been bookmarked for future reference. You can delete the bookmark whenever you don't need it anymore". The text is crappy, but that is just a suggestion. Patrick M. houghi wrote:

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On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 02:16:59PM +0200, Kenneth Aar wrote:

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Matt Downs wrote:

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I think it would be very helpful if SuSE had something as straightforward as the ubuntuguide...a SuSEguide. The first part would help users set up YaST with extra repos (like Guru and Packman and anything else that might be needed or useful), and also do the same with apt4rpm or yum or the other popular package managers used by SuSE. The next part would, like the ubuntuguide, go through and help setup things like codec support, java, and various programs and apps that users might want but not know how to get. The idea would be to have something that is super repetitive, so that the processes will become second nature to the user.

I think such a SuSEguide would be really helpful to new users and Windows-converts and for the older newbs (like me) who might have forgotten how things work in SuSE after trying out other distros.

I would be interested in writing something like this together with you on the wiki. What should we call it? "SUSEguide"?

There already is SUSE help when you start up the first time. Also there are several pages that explain several things. Look at http://www.opensuse.org/User_Documentation and try not to write things twice.

What could be worked on are the release notes that you see during the instalation. They disapear when you log in never to be sen again. A lot of things are explained on that page, like where to get Java, but between that page and actually logging in, this page is lost out of sight and should perhaps be easier to access.

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I am a approximately the same level as you in regards to linux proficiency, so anyone a wee bit more experienced would be a welcome addition to the "team".

Putting pages online at openSUSE is great and the more information there is, the better it is. However, if I have a problem with a connection or a wireless modem, I do not want to read: look at http://openSUSE.org, because that increases frustration for the user.

So what perhaps is needed is a better way to explain to a first time user what to do. That is what `susehelp` already does. So perhaps a clearer way to get the message across that that is the first place to look for help.

In there are the user guide and admin guide and a lot more things. Perhaps even `books-2005` can be included in that.

I have written something on susehelp a while ago and could add this to openSUSE: http://houghi.org/pivot/entry.php?id=53

houghi

houghi

17:29

New subject: [opensuse] Introduction and SuSEguide idea

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 06:12:52PM +0100, pmoellon wrote:

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A suggestion for working on it:

Simply bookmark this file (the RELEASE-NOTES.default_language.html) in Konqueror or Firefox. The release-notes could remind at the end something like:

It is available (at least in 9.1) in susehelp. I just run susehelp and see the realease notes at the top. Perhaps a link could be made that this is run when you start up the first time you log in with a small explanation on how to launch SUSE HelpCenter in the future. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

pmoellon

17:48

New subject: [opensuse] Introduction and SuSEguide idea

houghi wrote:

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On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 06:12:52PM +0100, pmoellon wrote:

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A suggestion for working on it:

Simply bookmark this file (the RELEASE-NOTES.default_language.html) in Konqueror or Firefox. The release-notes could remind at the end something like:

It is available (at least in 9.1) in susehelp. I just run susehelp and see the realease notes at the top.

Perhaps a link could be made that this is run when you start up the first time you log in with a small explanation on how to launch SUSE HelpCenter in the future.

houghi

Yes, they are on top with "susehelp". But a newbie, as you said, could need an explanation for lauching the KDE Help Center. It is more "technical" for a beginner to ALT-F2 (or other), lauch susehelp, etc., but the explanation is a good idea. I say this thinking of people who know that Linux is quite well network-oriented (among others!!!), and maybe that the first move of lots of new user is to lauch a browser rather than ALT-F2ing applications. Especially nowadays. I mean, there may be a redundancy with: 1. KDE Help (susehelp) 2. A bookmark in the browsers, but it might be worth a try. These RELEASE-NOTES are more important than i thought some time ago. Just a thought. Cheers, Patrick M.

houghi

18:57

New subject: [opensuse] Introduction and SuSEguide idea

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 06:48:05PM +0100, pmoellon wrote:

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I mean, there may be a redundancy with:

1. KDE Help (susehelp) 2. A bookmark in the browsers,

but it might be worth a try. These RELEASE-NOTES are more important than i thought some time ago.

It could be indeed an and-and solution, not an or-or solution. The realease not gained in importance with the fact that it containes the information on how to install Java. Perhaps the release notes can be put into an HTML page. No I am sure a lot of people think it is some kind of legal mumbo-jumbo and don't actally read it. If it is done in HTML, it can have a nice layout with on page 1 the general info and the index. On a different page or pages, you would have the actual information. Something that looks like openSUSE.org would be fantastic, because you could actually link to WiKi and the layout would be completely integrated with openSUSE.org. I think more people would pay attention to it, because of the way people experience webpages. They see quicker something that might interest them. Why would I scroo beond the NVidea info if I do not have that card? I for the first time looked at the 9.1 and the information for me that would have been helpfull and was overlooked was: Setting up an Installation Source for YaST New Type of Installation Source: SLP Applications using ncurses So the information is available, but not easily accesible. On 9.1 the menu would look like: Release Notes for SUSE Linux 9.1 =General: Information that everybody should read.= ==3-D Support for nVidia Graphics Cards== ==UTF-8 Encoding is Default== ==Removable Media / subfs== ... =Update: Explains changes that are not mentioned in the admin guide, chapter 2.= ==Network Device Setup== ==Sound configuration== ... =Installation: Additional pertinent information for the Installation.= ... =Technical: This sections contains a number of technical changes and= enhancements for the experienced user. ... houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

Winston Graeme

22:10

New subject: [opensuse] Introduction and SuSEguide idea

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On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 02:16:59PM +0200, Kenneth Aar wrote:

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Matt Downs wrote:

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I think it would be very helpful if SuSE had something as straightforward as the ubuntuguide...a SuSEguide. The first part would help users set up YaST with extra repos (like ................... .

This reminds me of me suggesting to improve the start-up dialogue (the first-boot thing). People got interested but then it disappearded in the depths of the mailing-list. Does anyone know how to call up this first-boot info to new user thing ? ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com

Christian Boltz

28 Sep 28 Sep

11:22

New subject: Release notes (was: Re: Introduction and SuSEguide idea)

Hello, Am Dienstag, 27. September 2005 18:15 schrieb houghi:

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What could be worked on are the release notes that you see during the instalation. They disapear when you log in never to be sen again. [..]

ACK - making the release notes easily available in the running system is a good idea. Aditionally, the newest release notes should be provided via YOU also - I guess lots of people do not download them while installation. With the current solution, they'll never see the updated version. @SUSE team: what do you think about this? Regards, Christian Boltz -- Nicht nur Schoenheit, sondern auch Schweinkram liegt ausschliesslich im Auge des Betrachters. [Kristian Koehntopp zur Aussage "frauen sind gut zu voegeln" in http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3ejajb$ekj@picard.toppoint.de]

Martin Lasarsch

11:40

New subject: [opensuse] Release notes (was: Re: Introduction and SuSEguide idea)

Am Wednesday 28 September 2005 13:22 schrieb Christian Boltz:

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Hello,

Am Dienstag, 27. September 2005 18:15 schrieb houghi:

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What could be worked on are the release notes that you see during the instalation. They disapear when you log in never to be sen again. [..]

ACK - making the release notes easily available in the running system is a good idea.

They are in the helpcenter (susehelp), first entry. -- with kind regards, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Lasarsch, Subsystems SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nuremberg martin.lasarsch@suse.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------- simply change to www.suse.de

Matt Downs

13:40

New subject: Release Notes and SuSEguide

Hello all. I'm not too up on netiquete, but there were so many different threads I wanted to comment on in reply to my initial thread, I thought I should start another one. On the Release Notes: you know, that's something I've never really looked at when I am installing SuSE. I always thought that Release Notes were just a list of bug-fixes and/or legal disclaimers. I'll have to take a look at those when I boot into SuSE again (sorry, my version of Ubuntu has been running really well lately, and I haven't had the time to mess around with SuSE :-/). On the SuSEguide: The Wiki would be a nice place to host something like this, I think. I also had visions of the guide being a sticky or something that is often pointed to when people have questions (that can be answered by the guide) on the lists, forums, and irc channels. Also, I didn't notice it (but sometimes I don't notice a lot of things), but is the wiki mentioned in the SuSE help? There's some great stuff in the Wiki, but there's also some incomplete stuff. I was thinking the guide might be a these are the first things I want/need set up on my computer type thing. I mean, for most people, they want their web-browser to work, meaning installing flash, and java, and mplayer-plugin (for Firefox); they want their music and movies to work, meaning installing multimedia packs; they might want a few specialized programs, like gnucash or beep or whatever. These are the type of things I thought would be useful to have in one place in an easy step-by-step fashion. Anyway, for anyone interested in helping out and contributing to this, please send me an email. And if anyone has any more ideas or comments on this, please speak up (I'm super new to this whole actively-contributing-to-a-project-thing! ;)) Matt

Paul Mansfield

14:05

New subject: [opensuse] Release Notes and SuSEguide

Matt Downs wrote:

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On the Release Notes: you know, that's something I've never really looked at when I am installing SuSE. I always thought that Release Notes were just a list of bug-fixes and/or legal disclaimers. I'll have

that reminds me... only after problems with one install where it also downloaded a new kernel during the patch phase, I bothered to read the notes and it said "don't install this if it's a new install".. in that broken install of course it had problems finding the right modules! perhaps the suse yast2 patch-fetcher ought to have a special flag to NOT allow the installation kernel patches - maybe only download them and queue for the next reboot? Paul

pmoellon

15:04

New subject: [opensuse] Release Notes and SuSEguide

Matt Downs wrote:

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Hello all.

I'm not too up on netiquete, but there were so many different threads I wanted to comment on in reply to my initial thread, I thought I should start another one.

On the Release Notes: you know, that's something I've never really looked at when I am installing SuSE. I always thought that Release Notes were just a list of bug-fixes and/or legal disclaimers. I'll have to take a look at those when I boot into SuSE again (sorry, my version of Ubuntu has been running really well lately, and I haven't had the time to mess around with SuSE :-/).

On the SuSEguide: The Wiki would be a nice place to host something like this, I think. I also had visions of the guide being a sticky or something that is often pointed to when people have questions (that can be answered by the guide) on the lists, forums, and irc channels. Also, I didn't notice it (but sometimes I don't notice a lot of things), but is the wiki mentioned in the SuSE help?

There's some great stuff in the Wiki, but there's also some incomplete stuff. I was thinking the guide might be a these are the first things I want/need set up on my computer type thing. I mean, for most people, they want their web-browser to work, meaning installing flash, and java, and mplayer-plugin (for Firefox); they want their music and movies to work, meaning installing multimedia packs; they might want a few specialized programs, like gnucash or beep or whatever. These are the type of things I thought would be useful to have in one place in an easy step-by-step fashion.

Anyway, for anyone interested in helping out and contributing to this, please send me an email. And if anyone has any more ideas or comments on this, please speak up (I'm super new to this whole actively-contributing-to-a-project-thing! ;))

Matt

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Exactly, Matt. By experience, that is what users want. I record the first time (nobody helped, Linux was a savvy thing) i saw "login:" "And now, what...??" A friend could fortunately help, and then su, Xconfigurator, etc. (Thanks to him :-) I mean, all efforts and ideas to let newbies enter the opensuse OS in a smooth way are welcome. Even if they'll have to do an extra effort, if coming from MS world, like running command more frequently, etc. (BTW, houghi, the boolean "or" was a diplomatic "and-and" ;-) And people love clean layouts, too. weeew! Kind Regards, Patrick M.

houghi

15:47

New subject: [opensuse] Release Notes and SuSEguide

On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 04:04:16PM +0100, pmoellon wrote:

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(BTW, houghi, the boolean "or" was a diplomatic "and-and" ;-)

Great. A lot of the times I see people looking at solutions in an OR kind of way. I try to not do this myself and sometimes it works. :-) houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

pmoellon

15:54

New subject: [opensuse] Release Notes and SuSEguide

houghi wrote:

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On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 04:04:16PM +0100, pmoellon wrote:

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(BTW, houghi, the boolean "or" was a diplomatic "and-and" ;-)

Great. A lot of the times I see people looking at solutions in an OR kind of way. I try to not do this myself and sometimes it works. :-)

houghi

You are damn right... Anyway, the linguistic "OR" is usually interpreted as a boolean "XOR": either one or other. In computing, "OR" means "one, other, or both" - that was the diplomacy to work better all together. Having twice the field for finding solutions is doubling the chances to have one. :-) Patrick

houghi

14:19

New subject: [opensuse] Release notes (was: Re: Introduction and SuSEguide idea)

On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 01:40:00PM +0200, Martin Lasarsch wrote:

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Am Wednesday 28 September 2005 13:22 schrieb Christian Boltz:

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Hello,

Am Dienstag, 27. September 2005 18:15 schrieb houghi:

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What could be worked on are the release notes that you see during the instalation. They disapear when you log in never to be sen again. [..]

ACK - making the release notes easily available in the running system is a good idea.

They are in the helpcenter (susehelp), first entry.

That does not make it easily available. It just means it is there. It already is an improvement over what is going on in 9.1, but the menu should be at the top. As it says: The release notes will be finalized later. we should wait for how it will look like then. :-) Would still be nice if it came on the first time somebody logged in, because that will be most likely be the maintainer of the system. Also some extra layout would make it a bit `more sexy` to read. :-) (The file I am talking about is /usr/share/doc/release-notes/RELEASE-NOTES.en.html, wich is the one that comes up in susehelp) houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

Martin Lasarsch

14:37

New subject: [opensuse] Release notes (was: Re: Introduction and SuSEguide idea)

Am Wednesday 28 September 2005 16:19 schrieb houghi:

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On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 01:40:00PM +0200, Martin Lasarsch wrote:

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Am Wednesday 28 September 2005 13:22 schrieb Christian Boltz:

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Hello,

Am Dienstag, 27. September 2005 18:15 schrieb houghi:

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What could be worked on are the release notes that you see during the instalation. They disapear when you log in never to be sen again. [..]

ACK - making the release notes easily available in the running system is a good idea.

They are in the helpcenter (susehelp), first entry.

That does not make it easily available. It just means it is there. It

One click on the life belt is not easy? :-)

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already is an improvement over what is going on in 9.1, but the menu should be at the top. As it says: The release notes will be finalized later. we should wait for how it will look like then. :-)

Would still be nice if it came on the first time somebody logged in, because that will be most likely be the maintainer of the system.

Nobody reads popups (100% unproved claim). And it's very likely that you just finished the installation, why read the notes again? But maybe there could be a link integrated into SuSEgreeter ... (but i don't agree on that ...) -- with kind regards, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Lasarsch, Subsystems +49 911 74053 181 +49 179 518 73 75 SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nuremberg martin.lasarsch@suse.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------- simply change to www.suse.de

pmoellon

14:56

New subject: [opensuse] Release notes

Martin Lasarsch wrote:

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Am Wednesday 28 September 2005 16:19 schrieb houghi:

Nobody reads popups (100% unproved claim). And it's very likely that you just finished the installation, why read the notes again?

But maybe there could be a link integrated into SuSEgreeter ... (but i don't agree on that ...)

About SuSEgreeter: the new name of the executable is SUSEgreeter. I had a little trouble finding this (during 9.1 to 9.2 upgrade if i record it well) BTW, the question of the SUSE (U capitalized) may lead to some mess in the future. SuSEfirewall2 kept the original name, etc. But it's off-topic, just to reminder new users that they will have to take some attention about this point. If SuSE* doesn't work, workaround with SUSE*. Kind regards, Patrick M.

Martin Lasarsch

15:05

New subject: [opensuse] Release notes

Am Wednesday 28 September 2005 16:56 schrieb pmoellon:

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Martin Lasarsch wrote:

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Am Wednesday 28 September 2005 16:19 schrieb houghi:

Nobody reads popups (100% unproved claim). And it's very likely that you just finished the installation, why read the notes again?

But maybe there could be a link integrated into SuSEgreeter ... (but i don't agree on that ...)

About SuSEgreeter: the new name of the executable is SUSEgreeter.

hey, be happy that i didn't wrote S.u.S.E.greeter! :-)) no, you are right, it's uppercase SUSE now ... -- with kind regards, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Lasarsch, Subsystems SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nuremberg martin.lasarsch@suse.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------- simply change to www.suse.de

pmoellon

15:16

New subject: [opensuse] Release notes

Martin Lasarsch wrote:

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Am Wednesday 28 September 2005 16:56 schrieb pmoellon:

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Martin Lasarsch wrote:

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Am Wednesday 28 September 2005 16:19 schrieb houghi:

Nobody reads popups (100% unproved claim). And it's very likely that you just finished the installation, why read the notes again?

But maybe there could be a link integrated into SuSEgreeter ... (but i don't agree on that ...)

About SuSEgreeter: the new name of the executable is SUSEgreeter.

hey, be happy that i didn't wrote S.u.S.E.greeter! :-))

no, you are right, it's uppercase SUSE now ...

:-) Hope this will not be too tough for suse (oops.. "SUSE"!) users...

houghi

15:39

New subject: [opensuse] Release notes (was: Re: Introduction and SuSEguide idea)

On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 04:37:18PM +0200, Martin Lasarsch wrote:

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One click on the life belt is not easy? :-)

OK. Here it shows I am a WindowMaker user. :-)

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Nobody reads popups (100% unproved claim). And it's very likely that you just finished the installation, why read the notes again?

I would say as many read the popups as there are people that read the manuals.

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But maybe there could be a link integrated into SuSEgreeter ... (but i don't agree on that ...)

Why do you not agree on that? If they can't find it is one thing, if they did not read it is another Anyhow, doing some design on the html page and getting the word out on how to easily access it should do the trick. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

Christian Boltz

2 Oct 2 Oct

20:31

New subject: [opensuse] Release notes (was: Re: Introduction and SuSEguide idea)

Hello, Am Mittwoch, 28. September 2005 13:40 schrieb Martin Lasarsch:

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Am Wednesday 28 September 2005 13:22 schrieb Christian Boltz:

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ACK - making the release notes easily available in the running system is a good idea.

They are in the helpcenter (susehelp), first entry.

Thanks for your answer, but unfortunately my second point got "lost". Here it is again: The newest release notes should be provided via YOU also - I guess lots of people do not download them while installation. With the current solution, they'll never see the updated version. What do you think about that? Regards, Christian Boltz -- He was the same guy formatting his linux two year ago because his soundcard didn't work. After a while of consolehacking, google-ing and investigating he setup windows again (it would be the better solution ... lmao). After windows was setup the soundcard didn't work again and he plugged in the cable. [Philippe Vogel in suse-security]

Glenn Holmer

27 Sep 27 Sep

10:18

New subject: [opensuse] Re: YaST URL entering

On Monday 26 September 2005 21:31, Alexander Antoniades wrote:

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Given the ease of something like klik://

What is that supposed to do? -- ======================================================== Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) ======================================================== "The day I go to work for Microsoft, hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive." -Eric Raymond ========================================================

Alexander Antoniades

29 Sep 29 Sep

04:08

Klik allows user temporarily install applications, it's pretty cool although the security implications are a little intimidating I'm afraid. Check it out: http://www.opensuse.org/SUPER_KLIK Sander On 9/27/05, Glenn Holmer wrote:

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On Monday 26 September 2005 21:31, Alexander Antoniades wrote:

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Given the ease of something like klik://

What is that supposed to do?

-- ======================================================== Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) ======================================================== "The day I go to work for Microsoft, hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive." -Eric Raymond ========================================================

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