Scott Leighton wrote:

On Tuesday 28 December 2004 8:41 pm, Steven Pasternak wrote:

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When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's? -Steven

There won't be a Personal version of 9.2, only the Professional version.

Scott

That's not good. I am professionally evaluating SuSE Linux for recomendations to clients. I have to verify the quality of the solution before recomendation, and I don't want to actually buy something that is only used for testing. As it stands, if SuSE is NOT available for NON-COMMERCIAL usages, then I will not be able to evaluate it. Even mainstream commercial companies like Oracle and Sun Microsystems have their products accessible for non-commercial uses. And as for Microsoft, there stuff is so accessible (as it's everywhere), and with MSDN or Partner CD kits, it's easy to try a bunch of stuff. Even Novell long ago had an ill-fated developer program, though a lot of their software wasn't available through it at the time. joaquin

On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 19:15, Randall R Schulz wrote:

Joaquin,

On Wednesday 29 December 2004 10:59, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:

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Scott Leighton wrote:

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On Tuesday 28 December 2004 8:41 pm, Steven Pasternak wrote:

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When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's? -Steven

There won't be a Personal version of 9.2, only the Professional version.

Scott

That's not good. I am professionally evaluating SuSE Linux for recomendations to clients. I have to verify the quality of the solution before recomendation, and I don't want to actually buy something that is only used for testing. As it stands, if SuSE is NOT available for NON-COMMERCIAL usages, then I will not be able to evaluate it.

Could someone explain, in what way, what is pasted below Could be considered not available. Regards Roger http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/ Get the eval today and be running Linux in Seconds! Download SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 Live Eval DVD

On Wednesday 29 December 2004 14:39, Linux wrote:

On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 19:15, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Joaquin,

On Wednesday 29 December 2004 10:59, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:

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Scott Leighton wrote:

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On Tuesday 28 December 2004 8:41 pm, Steven Pasternak wrote:

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When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's? -Steven

There won't be a Personal version of 9.2, only the Professional version.

Scott

That's not good. I am professionally evaluating SuSE Linux for recomendations to clients. I have to verify the quality of the solution before recomendation, and I don't want to actually buy something that is only used for testing. As it stands, if SuSE is NOT available for NON-COMMERCIAL usages, then I will not be able to evaluate it.

Could someone explain, in what way, what is pasted below Could be considered not available. Regards Roger http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/ Get the eval today and be running Linux in Seconds!

Download SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 Live Eval DVD

First, I don't have a DVD burner. Second, I downloaded the kde 9.2 live cd and during startup the crappy thing said that it was missing a module and wouldn't start! I don't know about the gnome live cd, but I am a kde guy and to have a module missing REALLY makes SuSE look bad anyway.

Linux wrote:

On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 19:15, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Joaquin,

On Wednesday 29 December 2004 10:59, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:

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Scott Leighton wrote:

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On Tuesday 28 December 2004 8:41 pm, Steven Pasternak wrote:

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When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's? -Steven

There won't be a Personal version of 9.2, only the Professional version.

Scott

That's not good. I am professionally evaluating SuSE Linux for recomendations to clients. I have to verify the quality of the solution before recomendation, and I don't want to actually buy something that is only used for testing. As it stands, if SuSE is NOT available for NON-COMMERCIAL usages, then I will not be able to evaluate it.

Could someone explain, in what way, what is pasted below Could be considered not available. Regards Roger http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/ Get the eval today and be running Linux in Seconds!

Download SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 Live Eval DVD

Sorry, My Bad. I actually went to link and saw the images and I am trying to download them. They are slooow. :-). But, I'll get it at some point.

On Wednesday 29 December 2004 10:59 am, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:

Scott Leighton wrote:

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On Tuesday 28 December 2004 8:41 pm, Steven Pasternak wrote:

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When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's? -Steven

There won't be a Personal version of 9.2, only the Professional version.

Scott

That's not good. I am professionally evaluating SuSE Linux for recomendations to clients. I have to verify the quality of the solution before recomendation, and I don't want to actually buy something that is only used for testing. As it stands, if SuSE is NOT available for NON-COMMERCIAL usages, then I will not be able to evaluate it.

I think you misunderstand the packaging. First of all, if you are professionally evaluating SuSE for clients, you really should be looking at the Professional package anyways, the Personal was way too stripped down to be good for evaluating IMHO. Second of all, the packageing (personal vs professional) has absolutely nothing to do with Commercial vs non-commercial use. Both packages are largely GPL (not sure about some of the SuSE added stuff). Lastly, SuSE's decision to drop the personal in 9.2 was a simple business decision. Probably a good one too. Way too many people were freaked out and disappointed with personal when they realized all the stuff that it did not include.

Even mainstream commercial companies like Oracle and Sun Microsystems have their products accessible for non-commercial uses. And as for Microsoft, there stuff is so accessible (as it's everywhere), and with MSDN or Partner CD kits, it's easy to try a bunch of stuff. Even Novell long ago had an ill-fated developer program, though a lot of their software wasn't available through it at the time.

Don't know what we mean with your commercial vs non-commercial comments. Special deals for 'non-commercial' use isn't an entitlement, it's simply a marketing option that companies can choose to use but they certainly aren't required to. I think you are on a wrong track here, either simply buy the professional package ($90 and well worth it just for the manuals and media), or download the eval version on Novell's site, or wait a month or so for the ISO's to show up on Novell's site and you can do it entirely for free. Scott -- POPFile, the OpenSource EMail Classifier http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Linux 2.6.8-24.10-default x86_64

On Thursday 30 December 2004 6:45 am, Steve Kratz wrote:

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Lastly, SuSE's decision to drop the personal in 9.2 was a simple business decision. Probably a good one too. Way too many people were freaked out and disappointed with personal when they realized all the stuff that it did not include.

I'm guesing at least partially fueled by the creation of their Novell Linux Desktop offering... Same type of stripped-down distro, different name...?

Personally, I don't see them as being similar at all. The personal package was aimed at the masses, the Novell Linux Desktop is aimed at businesses. My take, which is basically a guess, is that they will market the Novell branded stuff to business and leave the SuSE branded stuff for the mass consumer market. Scott -- POPFile, the OpenSource EMail Classifier http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Linux 2.6.8-24.10-default x86_64

On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 07:49 -0500, Michael W Cocke wrote:

IMHO, If a person cannot tell the difference between the words 'personal' and 'professional', they've got no business using a computer.

Mike-

Most people do understand that there is a distinction between "Personal" and "Professional". personal (prs-nl) adj. 1. Of or relating to a particular person; private: “Like their personal lives, women's history is fragmented, interrupted” (Elizabeth Janeway). a. Done, made, or performed in person: a personal appearance. b. Done to or for or directed toward a particular person: a personal favor. 3. Concerning a particular person and his or her private business, interests, or activities; intimate: I have something personal to tell you. a. Aimed pointedly at the most intimate aspects of a person, especially in a critical or hostile manner: an uncalled-for, highly personal remark. b. Tending to make remarks, or be unduly questioning, about another's affairs: As the student debate got heated, it got personal. 4. Of or relating to the body or physical being: personal cleanliness. There is nothing in the definition of Personal that would indicate lack of function. That particular distinction was pioneered by M$; unless you buy the "Professional Edition" you are not getting the complete package. And this is what you can *expect* from Commercial software companies like SuSE and Microsoft. After all, they ARE in business to MAKE MONEY. So, if you want FREE, choose Debian.

On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 08:46 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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So, if you want FREE, choose Debian.

Why, you can get the ftp version, or get cd's from cheapbytes although slightly delayed.

You can. The FTP version is delayed (the time period is likely more than you wish to have). I bought 9.2 Pro online for $15 - not from cheapbytes though.

-- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

-- Remember, all Windows-based machines are, by definition, fault tolerant. They run Windows don't they?!?!?!?

On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 14:00, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:

Michael W Cocke wrote:

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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:41:55 -0500, you wrote:

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When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's?

From what I've heard, there won't be a SuSE personal. Too many gomers installed it thinking they were getting SuSE professional, then whined all over about how it was crap. IMHO, If a person cannot tell the difference between the words 'personal' and 'professional', they've got no business using a computer.

Mike-

Then why not make the Professional version available?

The Professional Version often includes other software not covered under the GPL, the ftp version ought to be up in a month or so. I run the 9.0 ftp on my file server.

On Fri, 2004-12-31 at 13:05, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:

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Then why not make the Professional version available?

The Professional Version often includes other software not covered under the GPL, the ftp version ought to be up in a month or so. I run the 9.0 ftp on my file server.

Those packages don't have to be released in source form. Just binaries. :-) I'm curious as to what these packages are though. I notice there seems to be tons and tons of packages with SuSE.

I don't really know what they were for 9.1, which I'm running on my other systems, but I do know that they had Star Office bundled in with one (7.2 pro IIRC) and I liked it so much I bought the full version of the Star Office. SO 5.2 commercial version shipped with binaries for both Windows and *nix, as well as a better printer driver for the Canon BJC-4300, than gets shipped with CUPS.

* Joaquin Menchaca [12-31-04 18:10]:

I'm curious about the printer support. I had Windows 2K3 be an LP server, which essentially translates postscript printjobs to GDI print jobs and sends it to the native Windows-only printer driver. Though, you don't get the best of quality, but it works. Though I would dearly love to get this Epson Sylus Color R400 variety to work natively. :-)

Epson and HP are well supported in linux. Questions about particular printers and printing situations would be best answered in www.linuxprinting.org, recognized as the central repository for linux print support. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

On Friday 31 December 2004 4:00 pm, Graham Smith wrote:

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:07, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:

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I'm curious about the printer support. I had Windows 2K3 be an LP server, which essentially translates postscript printjobs to GDI print jobs and sends it to the native Windows-only printer driver. Though, you don't get the best of quality, but it works. Though I would dearly love to get this Epson Sylus Color R400 variety to work natively. :-)

I suggest that you have a look at this site for cups drivers for Epson Printers and download the drivers from here.

http://www.epkowa.co.jp/english/linux_e/index.html

The listing on Linux Printing only recommends the Gimp-Print backend (which apparently only works partially) but the above site is Epson's own support page for printers and scanners. http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Epson

-- Regards,

Graham Smith ---------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for this link. I did notice that the site supports only i386 at the moment. Hopefully x86_64 will follow. Has anyone tried these (printer and scanner drivers) with x86_64 to see whether they work reliably anyway? Thanks, Richard