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abrahams＠valinet.com

28 Mar 2000 28 Mar '00

00:04

I've discovered a bit of misbehavior in Netscape 4.72 (probably in other versions also) that can cause a lot of futile downloads. I encountered it while picking up the various SuSE rpm's for Xfree 4.0. It seems that if you have a download in progress, Netscape is quite happy to let you start a second one. The first one will complete normally. But when the second one is done, the window won't go away even though it indicates that the download is 100% completed. The only way to make the window go away is to click on Stop. But when you do that, the file you so laboriously downloaded is deleted. Fortunately I also happened on a workaround. If you've downloaded foo.rpm and lost it because of Netscape's boorishness, download it again to the same location. The download will be almost instantaneous and the file will come back. Of course, you can only do this while no other download is in progress. Has anyone else encountered this misbehavior? Paul Abrahams -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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JerryKreps＠alltel.net

28 Mar 28 Mar

01:40

On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, you wrote:

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I've discovered a bit of misbehavior in Netscape 4.72 (probably in other versions also) that can cause a lot of futile downloads. I encountered it while picking up the various SuSE rpm's for Xfree 4.0.

It seems that if you have a download in progress, Netscape is quite happy to let you start a second one. The first one will complete normally. But when the second one is done, the window won't go away even though it indicates that the download is 100% completed. The only way to make the window go away is to click on Stop. But when you do that, the file you so laboriously downloaded is deleted.

Fortunately I also happened on a workaround. If you've downloaded foo.rpm and lost it because of Netscape's boorishness, download it again to the same location. The download will be almost instantaneous and the file will come back. Of course, you can only do this while no other download is in progress.

Has anyone else encountered this misbehavior?

Paul Abrahams

I've encountered the exact same thing. I've started three downloads and had to make a repeat of the one that finished last. It gives me an appreciation of the drag and drop feature of kfm, which is also about 3 times faster than Netscape in downloading. JLK __ _ / / (_)__ __ ____ __ * Powerful * Flexible * Compatible * Reliable * / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / *Well Supported * Thousands of New Users Every Day* /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ The Cost Effective Choice - Linux Means Business! -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

jfondow1＠home.com

02:05

the way i work around this is when the file is done i rename the file before clicking stop and it has been working for me Jerry L Kreps wrote:

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On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, you wrote:

...
I've discovered a bit of misbehavior in Netscape 4.72 (probably in other versions also) that can cause a lot of futile downloads. I encountered it while picking up the various SuSE rpm's for Xfree 4.0.

It seems that if you have a download in progress, Netscape is quite happy to let you start a second one. The first one will complete normally. But when the second one is done, the window won't go away even though it indicates that the download is 100% completed. The only way to make the window go away is to click on Stop. But when you do that, the file you so laboriously downloaded is deleted.

Fortunately I also happened on a workaround. If you've downloaded foo.rpm and lost it because of Netscape's boorishness, download it again to the same location. The download will be almost instantaneous and the file will come back. Of course, you can only do this while no other download is in progress.

Has anyone else encountered this misbehavior?

Paul Abrahams

I've encountered the exact same thing. I've started three downloads and had to make a repeat of the one that finished last.

It gives me an appreciation of the drag and drop feature of kfm, which is also about 3 times faster than Netscape in downloading. JLK

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JerryKreps＠alltel.net

03:11

The way I worked around it was to drop Netscape and use kfm. :) JLK On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, jonathan wrote:

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the way i work around this is when the file is done i rename the file before clicking stop and it has been working for me

Jerry L Kreps wrote:

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On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, you wrote:

...
I've discovered a bit of misbehavior in Netscape 4.72 (probably in other versions also) that can cause a lot of futile downloads. I encountered it while picking up the various SuSE rpm's for Xfree 4.0.

It seems that if you have a download in progress, Netscape is quite happy to let you start a second one. The first one will complete normally. But when the second one is done, the window won't go away even though it indicates that the download is 100% completed. The only way to make the window go away is to click on Stop. But when you do that, the file you so laboriously downloaded is deleted.

Fortunately I also happened on a workaround. If you've downloaded foo.rpm and lost it because of Netscape's boorishness, download it again to the same location. The download will be almost instantaneous and the file will come back. Of course, you can only do this while no other download is in progress.

Has anyone else encountered this misbehavior?

Paul Abrahams

I've encountered the exact same thing. I've started three downloads and had to make a repeat of the one that finished last.

It gives me an appreciation of the drag and drop feature of kfm, which is also about 3 times faster than Netscape in downloading. JLK

__ _ / / (_)__ __ ____ __ * Powerful * Flexible * Compatible * Reliable * / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / *Well Supported * Thousands of New Users Every Day* /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ The Cost Effective Choice - Linux Means Business!

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nbea＠ecn.ulaval.ca

10:17

New subject: [SLE] Re: KFM + Cookies / WAS:[SLE] Netscape 4.72 download booby-trap

On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote: <-]The way I worked around it was to drop Netscape and use kfm. :) Speaking of kfm, how to force it to accept cookies? I can't login to many services that recquires cookies. I am using kfm 1.167.2.11 on SuSE 6.2... Any ideas? ________________ Nicolas Beaulieu Economics Department, Universite Laval Centre de Recherches en Economie et Finances Appliquees (CREFA) Quebec, Canada 418-626-5033 _________________ http://www.penguinpowered.com/~montesquieu mailto:montesquieu@penguinpowered.com ICQ 15933500 ---> http://www.ccfa.org <--- ---> http://www.ccfc.ca <--- _________________ Le Renard: "Voici mon secret. Il est tres simple: on ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." Antoine de Saint-Exupery Le Petit Prince _________________ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

JerryKreps＠alltel.net

13:04

New subject: [SLE] Re: KFM + Cookies / WAS:[SLE] Netscape 4.72 download booby-trap

On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Nicolas Beaulieu wrote:

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On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote:

<-]The way I worked around it was to drop Netscape and use kfm. :)

Speaking of kfm, how to force it to accept cookies? I can't login to many services that recquires cookies. I am using kfm 1.167.2.11 on SuSE 6.2...

Any ideas?

Options --> Configure Browser ---> Cookies. Piece of pie! ;-) JLK

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________________ Nicolas Beaulieu Economics Department, Universite Laval Centre de Recherches en Economie et Finances Appliquees (CREFA) Quebec, Canada 418-626-5033 _________________ http://www.penguinpowered.com/~montesquieu mailto:montesquieu@penguinpowered.com ICQ 15933500

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nbea＠ecn.ulaval.ca

13:33

New subject: [SLE] Re: KFM + Cookies / WAS:[SLE] Netscape 4.72 download booby-trap

On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote: <-]Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:04:44 -0600 <-]From: Jerry L Kreps <-]To: Nicolas Beaulieu <-]Cc: jonathan , suse <-]Subject: [SLE] Re: KFM + Cookies / WAS:[SLE] Netscape 4.72 download booby-trap <-] <-]On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Nicolas Beaulieu wrote: <-]> On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote: <-]> <-]> <-]The way I worked around it was to drop Netscape and use kfm. :) <-]> <-]> Speaking of kfm, how to force it to accept cookies? I can't login to many <-]> services that recquires cookies. I am using kfm 1.167.2.11 on SuSE 6.2... <-]> <-]> Any ideas? <-] <-]Options --> Configure Browser ---> Cookies. <-]Piece of pie! ;-) <-]JLK Hi Jerry, Well, that part of the work is already done. Effectively, this is a piece of pie.... Now try www.deja.com and log yourself as a member (if you have a login name...): "Must accept cookies We are sorry. You must accept cookies in order to login to this service." Try to check your mail account on Yahoo, this won't work.... never :( ________________ Nicolas Beaulieu Economics Department, Universite Laval Centre de Recherches en Economie et Finances Appliquees (CREFA) Quebec, Canada 418-626-5033 _________________ http://www.penguinpowered.com/~montesquieu mailto:montesquieu@penguinpowered.com ICQ 15933500 ---> http://www.ccfa.org <--- ---> http://www.ccfc.ca <--- _________________ Le Renard: "Voici mon secret. Il est tres simple: on ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." Antoine de Saint-Exupery Le Petit Prince _________________ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

abrahams＠valinet.com

17:24

New subject: [SLE] Re: KFM + Cookies / WAS:[SLE] Netscape 4.72 download booby-trap

Nicolas Beaulieu wrote:

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On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote:

<-]On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Nicolas Beaulieu wrote: <-]> On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote: <-]> <-]> <-]The way I worked around it was to drop Netscape and use kfm. :) <-]> <-]> Speaking of kfm, how to force it to accept cookies? I can't login to many <-]> services that recquires cookies. I am using kfm 1.167.2.11 on SuSE 6.2... <-]> <-]> Any ideas? <-] <-]Options --> Configure Browser ---> Cookies. <-]Piece of pie! ;-) <-]JLK

Hi Jerry,

Well, that part of the work is already done. Effectively, this is a piece of pie.... Now try www.deja.com and log yourself as a member (if you have a login name...):

"Must accept cookies We are sorry. You must accept cookies in order to login to this service."

Try to check your mail account on Yahoo, this won't work.... never :(

my.netscape.com won't work either - it requires Java, and kfm doesn't seem to have a way of enabling it. Paul Abrahams -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

JerryKreps＠alltel.net

22:41

New subject: [SLE] Re: KFM + Cookies / WAS:[SLE] Netscape 4.72 download booby-trap

Nope, you're right. KFM does not have java enabled. That is probably one reason why it is so fast and the ads don't show up! ;-) JLK On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:

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Nicolas Beaulieu wrote:

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On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote:

<-]On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Nicolas Beaulieu wrote: <-]> On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote: <-]> <-]> <-]The way I worked around it was to drop Netscape and use kfm. :) <-]> <-]> Speaking of kfm, how to force it to accept cookies? I can't login to many <-]> services that recquires cookies. I am using kfm 1.167.2.11 on SuSE 6.2... <-]> <-]> Any ideas? <-] <-]Options --> Configure Browser ---> Cookies. <-]Piece of pie! ;-) <-]JLK

Hi Jerry,

Well, that part of the work is already done. Effectively, this is a piece of pie.... Now try www.deja.com and log yourself as a member (if you have a login name...):

"Must accept cookies We are sorry. You must accept cookies in order to login to this service."

Try to check your mail account on Yahoo, this won't work.... never :(

my.netscape.com won't work either - it requires Java, and kfm doesn't seem to have a way of enabling it.

Paul Abrahams

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abrahams＠valinet.com

23:10

New subject: [SLE] Re: KFM + Cookies / WAS:[SLE] Netscape 4.72 download booby-trap

Jerry L Kreps wrote:

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KFM does not have java enabled. That is probably one reason why it is so fast and the ads don't show up! ;-)

Why should KFM be faster because it doesn't support Java? I'd think that as long as Java isn't actually being called, it wouldn't make a difference. Paul Abrahams -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

JerryKreps＠alltel.net

23:25

New subject: [SLE] Re: KFM + Cookies / WAS:[SLE] Netscape 4.72 download booby-trap

On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:

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Jerry L Kreps wrote:

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KFM does not have java enabled. That is probably one reason why it is so fast and the ads don't show up! ;-)

Why should KFM be faster because it doesn't support Java? I'd think that as long as Java isn't actually being called, it wouldn't make a difference.

I attribute the speed difference to an absence of java but used the word "probably", because I do not know for certain why KFM is faster. It just is. JLK

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Paul Abrahams

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JerryKreps＠alltel.net

22:23

New subject: [SLE] Re: KFM + Cookies / WAS:[SLE] Netscape 4.72 download booby-trap

mmm... I frequently get questions about accepting cookies from sites that I visit the first time. But I don't plan to sign up for Yahoo or dejanews because I don't want to flooded with spam-mail. JLK On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, you wrote:

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On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote:

<-]Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:04:44 -0600 <-]From: Jerry L Kreps <-]To: Nicolas Beaulieu <-]Cc: jonathan , suse <-]Subject: [SLE] Re: KFM + Cookies / WAS:[SLE] Netscape 4.72 download booby-trap <-] <-]On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Nicolas Beaulieu wrote: <-]> On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote: <-]> <-]> <-]The way I worked around it was to drop Netscape and use kfm. :) <-]> <-]> Speaking of kfm, how to force it to accept cookies? I can't login to many <-]> services that recquires cookies. I am using kfm 1.167.2.11 on SuSE 6.2... <-]> <-]> Any ideas? <-] <-]Options --> Configure Browser ---> Cookies. <-]Piece of pie! ;-) <-]JLK

Hi Jerry,

Well, that part of the work is already done. Effectively, this is a piece of pie.... Now try www.deja.com and log yourself as a member (if you have a login name...):

"Must accept cookies We are sorry. You must accept cookies in order to login to this service."

Try to check your mail account on Yahoo, this won't work.... never :(

________________ Nicolas Beaulieu Economics Department, Universite Laval Centre de Recherches en Economie et Finances Appliquees (CREFA) Quebec, Canada 418-626-5033 _________________ http://www.penguinpowered.com/~montesquieu mailto:montesquieu@penguinpowered.com ICQ 15933500

---> http://www.ccfa.org <--- ---> http://www.ccfc.ca <--- _________________ Le Renard: "Voici mon secret. Il est tres simple: on ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." Antoine de Saint-Exupery Le Petit Prince _________________

JerryKreps＠alltel.net

22:56

New subject: [SLE] Re: KFM + Cookies / WAS:[SLE] Netscape 4.72 download booby-trap

Did you check the 'Enable Cookie' checkbox? JLK On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Nicolas Beaulieu wrote:

...

On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote:

<-]The way I worked around it was to drop Netscape and use kfm. :)

Speaking of kfm, how to force it to accept cookies? I can't login to many services that recquires cookies. I am using kfm 1.167.2.11 on SuSE 6.2...

Any ideas?

________________ Nicolas Beaulieu Economics Department, Universite Laval Centre de Recherches en Economie et Finances Appliquees (CREFA) Quebec, Canada 418-626-5033 _________________ http://www.penguinpowered.com/~montesquieu mailto:montesquieu@penguinpowered.com ICQ 15933500

---> http://www.ccfa.org <--- ---> http://www.ccfc.ca <--- _________________ Le Renard: "Voici mon secret. Il est tres simple: on ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." Antoine de Saint-Exupery Le Petit Prince _________________

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tjhanson＠home.com

29 Mar 29 Mar

03:51

That used to happen to me with previous versions. I guess they didn't fix that part, huh? "Paul W. Abrahams" wrote:

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I've discovered a bit of misbehavior in Netscape 4.72 (probably in other versions also) that can cause a lot of futile downloads. I encountered it while picking up the various SuSE rpm's for Xfree 4.0.

It seems that if you have a download in progress, Netscape is quite happy to let you start a second one. The first one will complete normally. But when the second one is done, the window won't go away even though it indicates that the download is 100% completed. The only way to make the window go away is to click on Stop. But when you do that, the file you so laboriously downloaded is deleted.

Fortunately I also happened on a workaround. If you've downloaded foo.rpm and lost it because of Netscape's boorishness, download it again to the same location. The download will be almost instantaneous and the file will come back. Of course, you can only do this while no other download is in progress.

Has anyone else encountered this misbehavior?

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