I was trying to debug an apache application and I NEED to see the output from odperl to stderr which goes straight to the error logs. I couldn't find the output anyway So I'm trying to stop and start apache and when I do, apache won't start because A) It says the socket is taken in systemd jaargon B) The logs are dlete... I deleted the damn logs on purpose but it was right, there was a mystory httpd process running after I killed the process. So I tried to killall hhttpd that just caused a regeneration systemctl stop httpd.service NOTHING - not even feedback Pull the F***ing plug Yeah that still works. I'm sure there is some ration reason and calming answer to why when I'm killing apache that systemd restarts it without my permision. and there has to be some other calming nice reason why even through systemctl, that it doesn't give any feedback or nor kill the httpd server. for me, I'm moving to Jupiter 1. It is safer there. Ruben -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
El 08/11/14 a las 21:39, Ruben Safir escribió:
A) It says the socket is taken in systemd jaargon
The apache package does not use systemd socket activation in anyway..it probably tells you "the address is in use" by returning you the result of strerror(errno)..
B) The logs are dlete...
I deleted the damn logs on purpose but it was right, there was a mystory httpd process running after I killed the process.
So I tried to killall hhttpd that just caused a regeneration
killing httpd will do jack..process is not named that way.. it is named httpd2-$mpm where $mpm is either prefork, worker or event (the latter is the one you should be using)
systemctl stop httpd.service
NOTHING - not even feedback
what does systemctl status httpd.service says ?
I'm sure there is some ration reason and calming answer to why when I'm killing apache that systemd restarts it without my permision.
The apache systemd unit does use the restart on failure feature.
and there has to be some other calming nice reason why even through systemctl, that it doesn't give any feedback or nor kill the httpd server.
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systemctl, that it doesn't give any feedback or nor kill the httpd server.
Yes, if the service stops with success it will not tell you anything.
About the only time it was speachless.... it just does whatever it finds most difficult. It figures that out by your keyboard strokes and by monitoring this and other mailing lists. BTW - httpd is named httpd.... It always has been. Killing it caused it to respawn. when the root user kills a process and it respawns, that is called in the business "broken" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcL3eP0Hfy4 It is old school so some might not get it
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Ruben Safir wrote:
BTW - httpd is named httpd....
It always has been.
On openSUSE 13.1 it is called e.g. "httpd2-prefork" : 17825 ? Ss 0:08 /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 17846 ? S 0:05 \_ /usr/bin/php /usr/lib/hostsuisse/bin/apachelogwithcc /srv/www/vhosts/vhost_access_log 17847 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/php /srv/www/vhosts/unknown/htdocs/dns24_redirects 17851 ? S 0:01 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 17852 ? S 0:01 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 17924 ? S 0:01 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 19668 ? S 0:01 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 21037 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 21038 ? S 0:01 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 488 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 569 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 574 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 626 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 09:59:29AM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Ruben Safir wrote:
BTW - httpd is named httpd....
Actually, I have my own compliled package so it is called httpd and it lives in /usr/local/apache and under /sbin/apachectl and it is called httpd daemon 2720 0.4 8.3 105092 84816 ? S 05:10 0:55 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -k start root 3814 0.0 0.5 10348 6076 ? Ss Nov08 0:04 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -k start daemon 10703 0.2 2.0 41720 21176 ? S 06:01 0:19 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -k start daemon 16712 0.2 1.8 39228 18692 ? S 07:06 0:14 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -k start daemon 16721 0.2 1.5 36224 16104 ? S 07:06 0:12 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -k start daemon 16722 0.2 1.7 37992 17572 ? S 07:06 0:13 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -k start daemon 17688 0.1 1.0 28408 10816 ? S 08:08 0:03 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -k start daemon 17874 1.9 8.2 103928 83872 ? S 08:18 0:28 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -k start daemon 17876 0.2 1.0 28240 10628 ? S 08:18 0:03 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -k start daemon 18132 0.2 1.0 27984 10504 ? S 08:32 0:01 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -k start root 18366 0.0 0.0 2920 804 pts/0 S+ 08:43 0:00 grep --color=auto httpd daemon 25833 0.2 1.8 39272 18688 ? S 04:13 0:40 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -k start maybe I should change the user to nobody, and it will act more normally.
It always has been.
On openSUSE 13.1 it is called e.g. "httpd2-prefork" :
17825 ? Ss 0:08 /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 17846 ? S 0:05 \_ /usr/bin/php /usr/lib/hostsuisse/bin/apachelogwithcc /srv/www/vhosts/vhost_access_log 17847 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/php /srv/www/vhosts/unknown/htdocs/dns24_redirects 17851 ? S 0:01 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 17852 ? S 0:01 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 17924 ? S 0:01 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 19668 ? S 0:01 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 21037 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 21038 ? S 0:01 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 488 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 569 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 574 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start 626 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start
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On 11/09/2014 08:50 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
Actually, I have my own compliled package so it is called httpd and it lives in /usr/local/apache and under /sbin/apachectl and it is called httpd
Ah, you didn't mention this before. Since you choose to do this and since you choose not to have it managed by systemd, then arguing that systemd didn't tell you anything about it seems pointless. If you do something that doesn't correspond to the way the rest of us run Apache but don't tell us that up front, then of course the advice we give won't work. But in this circumstance you have no reason to blame systemd; you chose to run your "own compiled" version outside of systemd. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On debian/fedora the service is named httpd as i recall. Suse always named it apache2. You have to learn to read systemd: # systemctl status httpd httpd.service Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead) means "this service is unknown". # systemctl status apache2 apache2.service - The Apache Webserver Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/apache2.service; enabled) Active: active (running) since Sun 2014-11-09 09:53:44 CET; 1h 24min ago Main PID: 2671 (httpd2-prefork) Status: "Total requests: 0; Current requests/sec: 0; Current traffic: 0 B/sec" CGroup: /system.slice/apache2.service ├─2671 /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start ├─2944 /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start ├─2946 /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start ├─2948 /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start ├─2949 /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start └─2950 /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -DSSL -D SYSTEMD -DFOREGROUND -k start means: "this service is running well". You can see the restart feature (this is not a bug!) in Opensuse 13.2 is not switched on by default: # systemctl show -p Restart apache2 Restart=no So you should be able to kill apache the old school way. I managed to do it. If you don't know if it is apache or any other service blocking your socket, try to use: netstat -tulpen as root. On 11/09/2014 01:39 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
I was trying to debug an apache application and I NEED to see the output from odperl to stderr which goes straight to the error logs.
I couldn't find the output anyway
So I'm trying to stop and start apache and when I do, apache won't start because
A) It says the socket is taken in systemd jaargon B) The logs are dlete...
I deleted the damn logs on purpose but it was right, there was a mystory httpd process running after I killed the process.
So I tried to killall hhttpd that just caused a regeneration
systemctl stop httpd.service
NOTHING - not even feedback
Pull the F***ing plug
Yeah that still works.
I'm sure there is some ration reason and calming answer to why when I'm killing apache that systemd restarts it without my permision.
and there has to be some other calming nice reason why even through systemctl, that it doesn't give any feedback or nor kill the httpd server.
for me, I'm moving to Jupiter 1. It is safer there.
Ruben
On 11/09/2014 05:31 AM, Florian Gleixner wrote:
You have to learn to read systemd:
No, I don't. What I need to do is replace it. over the last 6 months, systemd has made my life a living hell. But fwiw, not apache but under httpd is in the listing for systemctl. BTW, it wasn't easy to parse this information out since the command uses some broken form of 'less', which while very pretty, fails the / lookup test, or the grep test. That meant I needed to get my better eye glasses on and press my nose to the screen just to see what I might be the calling for with systemd. I never told it to touch my damn apache server anyway. It always started with apachectl. Systemd is on a count down now for replacement. It make networking miserable as well. Use ifconfig eth0 down and then ifconfig eth0 up and you lose all your networking setting. do it with systemdctl, and it makes a BLOOD HELLO of the networking altogether, failing to even assign the dot quad while killing my routing. what a piece of useless garbage. SuSe was the best working system it the world and it is total garbage now. Ruben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/09/2014 02:32 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
On 11/09/2014 05:31 AM, Florian Gleixner wrote:
You have to learn to read systemd:
No, I don't.
Then you should stop asking questions on how systemd managed services work. Use Opensuse 11.4 evergreen or another distro: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Evergreen#Supported_distributions
Until I can rip it out, I'll temporarly have to live with it. Until then, you can bet I'm more annoyed than you are. On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 03:22:23PM +0100, Florian Gleixner wrote:
On 11/09/2014 02:32 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
On 11/09/2014 05:31 AM, Florian Gleixner wrote:
You have to learn to read systemd:
No, I don't.
Then you should stop asking questions on how systemd managed services work. Use Opensuse 11.4 evergreen or another distro: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Evergreen#Supported_distributions
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Ruben Safir wrote:
On 11/09/2014 05:31 AM, Florian Gleixner wrote:
You have to learn to read systemd:
No, I don't. What I need to do is replace it. over the last 6 months, systemd has made my life a living hell.
Please don't start this again, Ruben - if you want help with your httpd problem, I suggest you stick to that. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/09/2014 11:49 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Ruben Safir wrote:
On 11/09/2014 05:31 AM, Florian Gleixner wrote:
You have to learn to read systemd:
No, I don't. What I need to do is replace it. over the last 6 months, systemd has made my life a living hell.
Please don't start this again, Ruben - if you want help with your httpd problem, I suggest you stick to that.
Indeed, Trying to use systemd to report on and stop your custom compiled httpd was about as relevant as using 'fortune' to do it And then complaining that 'fortune' is unusable and making your life a living hell. You have decided that systemd is not for you, so you installed your compiled version of Apache outside of systemd and then came up with this ridiculous strawman argument that systemd couldn't stop it when you had ensured that systemd had nothing to do with it. As Per says, if you want help with your httpd problem ask for that, don't beat up on something that has nothing to do with the way you are managing it. You are letting your prejudices distort your approach and your reporting of the problem. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
means: "this service is running well". You can see the restart feature (this is not a bug!) in Opensuse 13.2 is not switched on by default:
It is a design flaw.
netstat -tulpen
Really? Do you really think that after 20 years I never learned to use netstat? The real question is, can you still trust netstat with systemd operating system.
as root.
as root I expect the system to do whatever I tell it to, and I expect root access at will.
Pull the F***ing plug
Yeah that still works.
only for the time being. systemd hasn't figured out how to shock the users when he touches the chasis yet. So you can still pull the plug. Ruben -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Ruben Safir wrote:
only for the time being. systemd hasn't figured out how to shock the users when he touches the chasis yet. So you can still pull the plug.
I am somehow reminded of the star trek original series that featured the new M5 computer that was replacing all the old ways of doing things (no need to send people out to do that exploring). After several attempts to shut down the automated processes (which kept restarting), Kirk ordered some red-shirt to pull the main power plug. As the engineer got in place to undo the foot-wide plug the M5 decided that a direct energy connection would be more efficient and formed a plasma-arc directly to the power source -- circumventing the need for a plug(and vaporizing the engineer who was pulling the plug). McCoy commented, ironically, that that one of the great new features of the M5 computer was that it had no 'off switch'. I thought most people learned that 'no off switch' was not a good feature... back... 40+ years ago? Beware: those who do not watch ST:TOS, are doomed to repeat it! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 03:45:51PM -0800, Linda Walsh wrote:
Ruben Safir wrote:
only for the time being. systemd hasn't figured out how to shock the users when he touches the chasis yet. So you can still pull the plug.
I am somehow reminded of the star trek original series that featured the new M5 computer that was replacing all the old ways of doing things (no need to send people out to do that exploring).
After several attempts to shut down the automated processes (which kept restarting), Kirk ordered some red-shirt to pull the main power plug.
As the engineer got in place to undo the foot-wide plug the M5 decided that a direct energy connection would be more efficient and formed a plasma-arc directly to the power source -- circumventing the need for a plug(and vaporizing the engineer who was pulling the plug).
McCoy commented, ironically, that that one of the great new features of the M5 computer was that it had no 'off switch'.
I thought most people learned that 'no off switch' was not a good feature... back... 40+ years ago?
Beware: those who do not watch ST:TOS, are doomed to repeat it!
that episode was actually ringing in my ears. Imagine the Enterprise run in an Amazon Cloud of opensuse 13.2 with systemd talking all the other systemd's out in the cloud! this is a better example though http://www.mrbrklyn.com/ww.avi The new paridign in systemd No Shell No Root the whole thing is being run by the autorob phone system at your local health insurance adminstration office in Scottsdale Arizona and some location in Shangalah
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On 11/10/2014 01:26 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 03:45:51PM -0800, Linda Walsh wrote:
Ruben Safir wrote:
only for the time being. systemd hasn't figured out how to shock the users when he touches the chasis yet. So you can still pull the plug.
I am somehow reminded of the star trek original series that featured the new M5 computer that was replacing all the old ways of doing things (no need to send people out to do that exploring).
After several attempts to shut down the automated processes (which kept restarting), Kirk ordered some red-shirt to pull the main power plug.
As the engineer got in place to undo the foot-wide plug the M5 decided that a direct energy connection would be more efficient and formed a plasma-arc directly to the power source -- circumventing the need for a plug(and vaporizing the engineer who was pulling the plug).
McCoy commented, ironically, that that one of the great new features of the M5 computer was that it had no 'off switch'.
I thought most people learned that 'no off switch' was not a good feature... back... 40+ years ago?
Beware: those who do not watch ST:TOS, are doomed to repeat it!
that episode was actually ringing in my ears. Imagine the Enterprise run in an Amazon Cloud of opensuse 13.2 with systemd talking all the other systemd's out in the cloud!
this is a better example though
http://www.mrbrklyn.com/ww.avi
The new paridign in systemd
No Shell No Root the whole thing is being run by the autorob phone system at your local health insurance adminstration office in Scottsdale Arizona and some location in Shangalah
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The new paridign in systemd
No Shell No Root the whole thing is being run by the autorob phone system at your local health insurance adminstration office in Scottsdale Arizona and some location in Shangalah
The one thing I've wished for for years is a computer that would do what I wanted it to do rather than what I told it to do.
That is the new paradign...system_D It does what IT thinks you want it too, or what Red Hat wants it to.... or something or other, as long as it is not what You want it to. It also comes with a strapon unit for extra joy when you doubt that it is screwing with you. that is networking device wap666sax23572234532AFED3F4 with a 128 bit quantum drive cryptography inorder to guarantee that everything remains just as it is supposed to be. Nothing like ip666 to make your network happy. Without it pulseaudio won't work. Ruben
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On 11/10/2014 07:57 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
The new paridign in systemd
No Shell No Root the whole thing is being run by the autorob phone system at your local health insurance adminstration office in Scottsdale Arizona and some location in Shangalah
The one thing I've wished for for years is a computer that would do what I wanted it to do rather than what I told it to do.
That is the new paradign...system_D
It does what IT thinks you want it too, or what Red Hat wants it to.... or something or other, as long as it is not what You want it to.
It also comes with a strapon unit for extra joy when you doubt that it is screwing with you.
that is networking device wap666sax23572234532AFED3F4 with a 128 bit quantum drive cryptography inorder to guarantee that everything remains just as it is supposed to be. Nothing like ip666 to make your network happy.
Without it pulseaudio won't work.
Ruben
I want it to do what *I* want it to do not what it wants to do. It already does enough of that. -- “Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.” - Joan Rivers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/10/2014 11:07 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:
I want it to do what *I* want it to do not what it wants to do. It already does enough of that.
Have you considered that perhaps "AI" (as in 'expert systems') are smarter than you and better able to decide, certain with less emotion and swearing, what you _should_ do? What I'm waiting for is smart phones to be smart enough to tell that girl walking down the street heads down reading her phone "step to the left to avoid the open pit". Or possibly "step to the right to walk into the man of your dreams". -- Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? -- Thomas Jefferson, in his 1801 inaugural address -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 10/11/2014 17:14, Anton Aylward a écrit :
What I'm waiting for is smart phones to be smart enough to tell that girl walking down the street heads down reading her phone "step to the left to avoid the open pit". Or possibly "step to the right to walk into the man of your dreams".
on the way, on the way :-) just received: http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-pushes-ahead-with-its-quest-to-make-apps-more-intelligent-7000035605/?s_cid=e539&ttag=e539&ftag=TRE17cfd61 jdd too bad there is "follow up" option on mailing list to go to OT :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Without it pulseaudio won't work.
Ruben
I want it to do what *I* want it to do not what it wants to do. It already does enough of that.
I hear you and it shouldn't do any of that. The best way for it to know what you want it to do is when it follows your instructions. Anything less is doing what IT wants to do... Ruben
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Ruben Safir