On 12/02/14 23:00, Andrei Amuraritei wrote:

On 2014-02-12 22:58, Peter wrote:

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I've just done my first install of 13.1 and noted this new System Updater applet in the system tray. As with previous iterations of such things, I find its functionality limited and I want to get rid of it.

Previously with the Apper service I could stop that in KDE's System Services control. I've stopped and unticked that service again but this applet still pops up on reboot and seems independent. Its only configuration on a right-click is for setting a keyboard shortcut.

I could hide it from the system tray but presumably that won't stop it running in the background. I do my updates in YaST and until the day I can get all the same functionality and level of detail in an applet then things shall remain that way. Though this applet finds and notifies of updates, clicking the + symbol next to any item always fails to retrieve further details, so it is redundant for me.

Where can I turn it off?

Hello Peter,

Go to Configure Desktop / Apper Software Management.

Toolbar right side there's a Settings button, click that.

There select the Check for update policies.

Okay thanks. That seems a nonsensical implementation though. It means the Apper service is running even though I've disabled it from doing so in the System Services control. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 12/02/14 23:34, Andrei Amuraritei wrote:

You mean Apper Monitor in the Startup Services ? I guess that's just the notifier part of the system and packagekit still starts up but you won't get notified by the Updater Appplet.

Yes I see it's just Apper Monitor. But the notifier still sits there in my system tray after a reboot, perhaps because I've yet to install the needless updates it's proposing (e.g. essentially unchanged package revisions from Packman or KDE:Extra of the type 1.0.8-1.1 -> 1.0.8-1.2). I had tried to find a use for it by unchecking the additional repos and leaving just Updates, OSS and non-OSS in order to know when there are security updates that I can then review in YaST, but playing with the repo selection in Apper rather annoyingly also then changed my chosen repos in YaST. Just out of curiosity, do others here on this list use Apper or do you disable it and use zypper/YaST? Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2/12/2014 2:57 PM, Peter wrote: Just out of curiosity, do others here on this list use Apper or do you disable it and use zypper/YaST?

On 13/02/14 00:02, John Andersen wrote:

I use it, and it works for me. Mostly I just use it to notify me that there are updates.

I will usually go into yast to install the updates, but some time I just click on the tray icon and let it do it, especially if there are just a few.

I'm still on 12.3, and it always works.

Hmm, I wonder how you'll find the 13.1 implementation then. Though I never really used it before, from what I remember, via the system tray widget in 12.3 you could access the main Apper window and manage other aspects of packages in addition to reviewing the proposed installs, but with this new version of the updater in 13.1 it seems you can only expand each item and accept / decline. When clicking on the + sign, it showed further details of each package after a fresh OS install a few days ago but since then only ever produces a big red cross and the message 'Failed to get update details'. On 13/02/14 00:06, Karl Sinn wrote:

I use xfce and this package is called pk-update-icon here. For every SuSE installation i make it the first package that receives the "never install" flag in Yast.

I "hate" this piece of software as it reminds me to windows. It has no option to shut it down, nor turn it off completely .... it should therefore be excluded from openSuSE IMHO ;) Karl

I'm not sure I've ever noticed it on the machine I have XFCE installed on. Perhaps it didn't get pulled in by default during installation. Since for a few releases now (although I recall some such updater going right back to the SuSE 9.x series) openSUSE has been undecided about going with any one package management solution, it would be nice if there were some overarching control within YaST. I manage a couple of multi-user desktops and having to go into every account and turn off Apper is a bit fiddly. I guess I can just uninstall it, or I can hope that one day they implement a version that functions better and that I find more convenient. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am 12.02.2014 23:57, schrieb Peter:

On 12/02/14 23:34, Andrei Amuraritei wrote:

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You mean Apper Monitor in the Startup Services ? I guess that's just the notifier part of the system and packagekit still starts up but you won't get notified by the Updater Appplet.

Yes I see it's just Apper Monitor. But the notifier still sits there in my system tray after a reboot, perhaps because I've yet to install the needless updates it's proposing (e.g. essentially unchanged package revisions from Packman or KDE:Extra of the type 1.0.8-1.1 -> 1.0.8-1.2). I had tried to find a use for it by unchecking the additional repos and leaving just Updates, OSS and non-OSS in order to know when there are security updates that I can then review in YaST, but playing with the repo selection in Apper rather annoyingly also then changed my chosen repos in YaST.

Just out of curiosity, do others here on this list use Apper or do you disable it and use zypper/YaST?

Peter

I use xfce and this package is called pk-update-icon here. For every SuSE installation i make it the first package that receives the "never install" flag in Yast. I "hate" this piece of software as it reminds me to windows. It has no option to shut it down, nor turn it off completely .... it should therefore be excluded from openSuSE IMHO ;) Karl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Peter [02-12-14 18:00]:

On 12/02/14 23:34, Andrei Amuraritei wrote:

...

You mean Apper Monitor in the Startup Services ? I guess that's just the notifier part of the system and packagekit still starts up but you won't get notified by the Updater Appplet.

Yes I see it's just Apper Monitor. But the notifier still sits there in my system tray after a reboot, perhaps because I've yet to install the needless updates it's proposing (e.g. essentially unchanged package revisions from Packman or KDE:Extra of the type 1.0.8-1.1 -> 1.0.8-1.2). I had tried to find a use for it by unchecking the additional repos and leaving just Updates, OSS and non-OSS in order to know when there are security updates that I can then review in YaST, but playing with the repo selection in Apper rather annoyingly also then changed my chosen repos in YaST.

Just out of curiosity, do others here on this list use Apper or do you disable it and use zypper/YaST?

I, pre-{tw}13.1, uninstalled PackageKit. Cannot see much use for apper with the quality of zypper. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-02-13 01:02, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

Crash: ~ # zypper -v rm PackageKit

But you see, it is removing other packages that it should not remove, they have nothing to do with updates.

compicc 0.8.7-1.6 compiz 0.8.8-10.1.4 compiz-branding-openSUSE 0.8.8-10.1.4 compiz-gnome 0.8.8-10.1.4 compiz-manager 0.6.0-31.1.2 compizconfig-settings-manager 0.8.4-10.1.2 gnome-color-manager 3.10.1-1.1 gnome-control-center 3.10.2-4.4 libcompizconfig 0.8.8-4.1.1 python-ccm 0.8.4-10.1.2 python-compizconfig 0.8.4-10.1.1

There must be a cleaner solution. If you intend to use gnome some day, or some gnome applications, they may fail. Maybe you don't, but if others try your method, they should be aware of that. You can, for instance, remove all the frontends to it, and it simply can not run, nothing calls it. For example, I remove apper and pk-update-icon. You an also try remove PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin and PackageKit-browser-plugin. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlL8FJwACgkQja8UbcUWM1xMGgD/f/OZdTFmnzK3FulzATc5K0zI MI54g4fQZiLofVFM+J4A/2Zx8vsgS2SajM9JqQamT9dVZVqTaKE5SXYdsu2X9O8f =iext -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org