[opensuse] 11.3 - why can't I run gnome-settings-daemon independently anymore? Real disappointment...
Guys, In nearly all my other desktops (fluxbox, e16, e17, icewm, etc..) I have always started the gnome-settings-daemon independently as one of the startup programs for each of the desktops. It provides the gnome-screensaver and makes all the gtk apps look right. To my surprise, you can't do that anymore in 11.3 -- Why Not?? When I start gsd, a process is registered in the process table because I can see it with ps ax, but it doesn't do anything it is supposed to. GTK apps all look pitiful and no screensaver, no nada... So what gives? Is it a bug? Is it somebody's great idea at an 'improvement'? What? This is repeatable for me every time. Just open some other desktop, enlightenment, fluxbox, whatever and then as a user run: /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon & then go check that it is running with ps ax, then look to see if it is working and whether it has started the gnome-screensaver, etc.. On my box it doesn't do anything. What's up with that?? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 08/06/2010 12:00 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
Guys,
In nearly all my other desktops (fluxbox, e16, e17, icewm, etc..) I have always started the gnome-settings-daemon independently as one of the startup programs for each of the desktops. It provides the gnome-screensaver and makes all the gtk apps look right.
To my surprise, you can't do that anymore in 11.3 -- Why Not??
Why is it my questions that only have a 50/50 chance of receiving any type of answer? I ask nicely and I try to provide enough concise descriptive information to allow an answer, but alas, many just remain on the list as single question posts..... Bummer :-( Does anybody else use gnome-settings-daemon in this manner? If so, is it working for you in 11.3? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 08:59:03AM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 08/06/2010 12:00 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
Guys,
In nearly all my other desktops (fluxbox, e16, e17, icewm, etc..) I have always started the gnome-settings-daemon independently as one of the startup programs for each of the desktops. It provides the gnome-screensaver and makes all the gtk apps look right.
To my surprise, you can't do that anymore in 11.3 -- Why Not??
Why is it my questions that only have a 50/50 chance of receiving any type of answer? I ask nicely and I try to provide enough concise descriptive information to allow an answer, but alas, many just remain on the list as single question posts..... Bummer :-(
Does anybody else use gnome-settings-daemon in this manner? If so, is it working for you in 11.3?
Perhaps no one knows. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 06 August 2010 15:59:03 David C. Rankin wrote:
On 08/06/2010 12:00 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
In nearly all my other desktops (fluxbox, e16, e17, icewm, etc..) I have
always started the gnome-settings-daemon independently as one of the startup programs for each of the desktops. It provides the gnome-screensaver and makes all the gtk apps look right.
To my surprise, you can't do that anymore in 11.3 -- Why Not??
Why is it my questions that only have a 50/50 chance of receiving any type of answer? I ask nicely and I try to provide enough concise descriptive information to allow an answer, but alas, many just remain on the list as single question posts..... Bummer :-(
Because you do strange things with your desktops, then you ask hard questions ;-). I'd have asked a question like this on the -gnome list, they can probably tell you if g-s-d has some other runtime dependency that is new in 11.3. I'd also explain "can't do that any more" in more detail.
Does anybody else use gnome-settings-daemon in this manner? If so, is it working for you in 11.3?
FWIW I've used g-s-d to get correct icons in nm-applet when working on knetworkmanager in the past, but hadn't tried it on 11.3 until you asked. Sure enough there is no app called gnome-settings-daemon in $PATH when the eponymous package is installed. Looking at the RPM file list, 2 things stand out: an executable in /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon and a service definition in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.service This tells me that g-s-d is now a DBUS service that is started on demand. Sure enough, # qdbus org.gnome.SettingsDaemon / /org /org/gnome /org/gnome/SettingsDaemon showing that trying to access the daemon causes it to start. So the question for the gnome list is, "why don't my apps that need g-s-d cause it to autostart?" HTH Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 16:23 +0200, Will Stephenson wrote:
I'd have asked a question like this on the -gnome list, they can probably tell you if g-s-d has some other runtime dependency that is new in 11.3. I'd also explain "can't do that any more" in more detail.
Does anybody else use gnome-settings-daemon in this manner? If so, is it working for you in 11.3? FWIW I've used g-s-d to get correct icons in nm-applet when working on knetworkmanager in the past, but hadn't tried it on 11.3 until you asked. Sure enough there is no app called gnome-settings-daemon in $PATH when the eponymous package is installed. Looking at the RPM file list, 2 things stand out: an executable in /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon and a service definition in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.service This tells me that g-s-d is now a DBUS service that is started on demand.
Once upon a time one could run "dbus-monitor --session" / "dbus-monitor
--system" to 'sniff' the D-Bus to see what was going on.
awilliam@linux-yu4c:~> rpm -qf /bin/dbus-monitor
dbus-1-1.2.24-1.18.x86_64
I'd assume that still works.
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Adam Tauno Williams
On 08/06/2010 09:23 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:
FWIW I've used g-s-d to get correct icons in nm-applet when working on knetworkmanager in the past, but hadn't tried it on 11.3 until you asked.
Sure enough there is no app called gnome-settings-daemon in $PATH when the eponymous package is installed. Looking at the RPM file list, 2 things stand out: an executable in /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon and a service definition in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.service
This tells me that g-s-d is now a DBUS service that is started on demand.
Sure enough,
# qdbus org.gnome.SettingsDaemon / /org /org/gnome /org/gnome/SettingsDaemon
showing that trying to access the daemon causes it to start.
So the question for the gnome list is, "why don't my apps that need g-s-d cause it to autostart?"
HTH
You are too smart for your own good :p Thanks, those are the pieces of the puzzle that I would not have been able to put together. Watching it start and then watching nothing work was puzzling. Now I know where the problem is... Now both Will and Marcus, which gnome list are you talking about? gnome-devel-list@gnome.org --or-- opensuse-gnome@opensuse.org ?? I'll try both -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 08:59 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
Guys, In nearly all my other desktops (fluxbox, e16, e17, icewm, etc..) I have always started the gnome-settings-daemon independently as one of the startup programs for each of the desktops. It provides the gnome-screensaver and makes all the gtk apps look right. To my surprise, you can't do that anymore in 11.3 -- Why Not?? Why is it my questions that only have a 50/50 chance of receiving any type of answer? I ask nicely and I try to provide enough concise descriptive information to allow an answer, but alas, many just remain on the list as single question
On 08/06/2010 12:00 AM, David C. Rankin wrote: posts..... Bummer :-( Does anybody else use gnome-settings-daemon in this manner?
Nope, I don't; it is the session manager's job to start that.
If so, is it working for you in 11.3?
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Adam Tauno Williams
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