[opensuse] KMail assessment.
Since someone else did their evaluation, I thought it was time I took another look at KMail. The new version in 11.1B5 is very nice, and handles somethings even better than Thunderbird. However, as it always has, it just doesn't begin to handle HTML anywhere near as well as T-Bird!! I had hoped it did, not that I use it all the time...I don't. But, when it's is necessary, it needs to do a good job. Maybe in a year or so it will handle it correctly and with a full compliment of features users want. Fred -- "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson, 1802 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 23:18 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Since someone else did their evaluation, I thought it was time I took another look at KMail. The new version in 11.1B5 is very nice, and handles somethings even better than Thunderbird. However, as it always has, it just doesn't begin to handle HTML anywhere near as well as T-Bird!! I had hoped it did, not that I use it all the time...I don't. But, when it's is necessary, it needs to do a good job. Maybe in a year or so it will handle it correctly and with a full compliment of features users want.
I would have thought that it used the same rendering engine that the rest of KDE used. Surely KMail does not have its own HTLM renderer. Does it? Has anyone tried using an IMAP server when you have many folders and sub-folders on the IMAP server? One outstanding problem with KMail that has kept me from using it is that it does not get the count of unread messages correct against a Courier IMAP server. It is a known and often reported bug. The KMail guys always claim it is a Courier problem and leave it at that. However, evolution and the iMAC e-mail client get this right. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about large city with all constructions finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 18 November 2008 17:33:20 Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 23:18 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Since someone else did their evaluation, I thought it was time I took another look at KMail. The new version in 11.1B5 is very nice, and handles somethings even better than Thunderbird. However, as it always has, it just doesn't begin to handle HTML anywhere near as well as T-Bird!! I had hoped it did, not that I use it all the time...I don't. But, when it's is necessary, it needs to do a good job. Maybe in a year or so it will handle it correctly and with a full compliment of features users want.
I would have thought that it used the same rendering engine that the rest of KDE used. Surely KMail does not have its own HTLM renderer. Does it?
Has anyone tried using an IMAP server when you have many folders and sub-folders on the IMAP server? One outstanding problem with KMail that has kept me from using it is that it does not get the count of unread messages correct against a Courier IMAP server. It is a known and often reported bug. The KMail guys always claim it is a Courier problem and leave it at that. However, evolution and the iMAC e-mail client get this right.
Kmail works fine in this regard when running Dovecot rather than Courier. The only problem I've noted with Kmail/Dovecot is that it does not correctly report mailbox *size*. If you choose to display the size, the size never decreases when you delete mails; rather, it continues to increase and seems to display the sum of the size of all the emails that have ever been stored in that folder (and even those values aren't correct). Still, that is a minor annoyance rather than a showstopper, at least for me. Might be a problem for someone trying to manage their mailbox size against an enforced quota. Cheers, -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ===================================================
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Roger Oberholtzer
Has anyone tried using an IMAP server when you have many folders and sub-folders on the IMAP server? One outstanding problem with KMail that has kept me from using it is that it does not get the count of unread messages correct against a Courier IMAP server.
Seems to work fin with Cyrus, and Gmail. You probably want to avoid Kmail's disconnected Imap mode because it leads to a certain amount of confusion as to the actual state of the mail queue. Unfortunately, you can't seem to swap between disconnected and normal mode. you essentially have to delete and add the account. -- ----------JSA--------- Someone stole my tag line, so now I have this rental. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer said the following on 11/18/2008 02:03 AM:
On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 23:18 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Since someone else did their evaluation, I thought it was time I took another look at KMail. The new version in 11.1B5 is very nice, and handles somethings even better than Thunderbird. However, as it always has, it just doesn't begin to handle HTML anywhere near as well as T-Bird!! I had hoped it did, not that I use it all the time...I don't. But, when it's is necessary, it needs to do a good job. Maybe in a year or so it will handle it correctly and with a full compliment of features users want.
I would have thought that it used the same rendering engine that the rest of KDE used. Surely KMail does not have its own HTLM renderer. Does it?
Look for yourself. Try running 'ldd' on various programs like T'bird, kmail, firefox, konqueror, and see what libraries they use. One of my complaints about T'bird & firefox is that they drag in gnome libraries. OUCH! Its bad enough that I need those for GIMP! -- Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone than in bad company. --George Washington -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
Has anyone tried using an IMAP server when you have many folders and sub-folders on the IMAP server? One outstanding problem with KMail that has kept me from using it is that it does not get the count of unread messages correct against a Courier IMAP server. It is a known and often reported bug. The KMail guys always claim it is a Courier problem and leave it at that. However, evolution and the iMAC e-mail client get this right.
I remember had kmail for imap accounts about 2 years ago, and it did the job very well (I don't remember well what imap provider was, cyrus I think). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 17 November 2008 08:18:42 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:
Since someone else did their evaluation, I thought it was time I took another look at KMail. The new version in 11.1B5 is very nice, and handles somethings even better than Thunderbird. However, as it always has, it just doesn't begin to handle HTML anywhere near as well as T-Bird!! I had hoped it did, not that I use it all the time...I don't. But, when it's is necessary, it needs to do a good job. Maybe in a year or so it will handle it correctly and with a full compliment of features users want.
I agree, fred. There's not enough HTML support. I tried an HTML message and sent it to my outlook mailbox. It was able to format text alright - though no tables or images. I was unable to paste an image (png file) into the message body, nor was I able to insert one inline. I only got binary gobblygook when I tried. http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2008/20081118_kmail_html.png The formatting came across fine, though. -- kai www.filesite.org || www.perfectreign.com Clean out a corner of your mind and creativity will instantly fill it. - Dee Hock
Kai Ponte wrote:
On Monday 17 November 2008 08:18:42 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:
Since someone else did their evaluation, I thought it was time I took another look at KMail. The new version in 11.1B5 is very nice, and handles somethings even better than Thunderbird. However, as it always has, it just doesn't begin to handle HTML anywhere near as well as T-Bird!! I had hoped it did, not that I use it all the time...I don't. But, when it's is necessary, it needs to do a good job. Maybe in a year or so it will handle it correctly and with a full compliment of features users want.
I agree, fred. There's not enough HTML support.
I tried an HTML message and sent it to my outlook mailbox. It was able to format text alright - though no tables or images. I was unable to paste an image (png file) into the message body, nor was I able to insert one inline. I only got binary gobblygook when I tried.
http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2008/20081118_kmail_html.png
Yep.....bout what I had on my tests. I can't even highlight an HTML post that I receive, and be able to paste it - just as it's displayed - in a new HTML post.....pics are only referenced...NOT displayed. In T-Bird, all is there and as it should be. I can easily edit anything in it, and then send it on.
The formatting came across fine, though.
Yes.....but nothing else is right. I suspect that the authors of KMail don't like HTML and therefore just haven't put the effort into it that they should have. 'Gotta see how the Edora port is coming.......heard it's in the works. ;) Fred -- "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson, 1802 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 19 November 2008 09:49:44 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:
I tried an HTML message and sent it to my outlook mailbox. It was able to format text alright - though no tables or images. I was unable to paste an image (png file) into the message body, nor was I able to insert one inline. I only got binary gobblygook when I tried.
http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2008/20081118_kmail_html.png
Yep.....bout what I had on my tests. I can't even highlight an HTML post that I receive, and be able to paste it - just as it's displayed - in a new HTML post.....pics are only referenced...NOT displayed. In T-Bird, all is there and as it should be. I can easily edit anything in it, and then send it on.
I noticed that on thunderbird. I have my wife (running Win2K) switched over to thunderbird from Outlook express. (This is in preparation for a new computer I plan to buy her this winter which will include only openSUSE.) Of course, she spends most of her email time at the univeristy outlook web access portal. (She's behind me on her computer right now.)
The formatting came across fine, though.
Yes.....but nothing else is right. I suspect that the authors of KMail don't like HTML and therefore just haven't put the effort into it that they should have. 'Gotta see how the Edora port is coming.......heard it's in the works. ;)
Eudora?? Wow, next thing you know we'll have a Linux version of Lotus Notes! -- kai www.filesite.org || www.perfectreign.com Clean out a corner of your mind and creativity will instantly fill it. - Dee Hock -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Wednesday 19 November 2008 09:49:44 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:
Eudora?? Wow, next thing you know we'll have a Linux version of Lotus Notes!
Pardon? did not see any hint you where jesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-qK34CzKjM http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060710-7222.html Somehow I was under the impression this had been around for a while... - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkklMxAACgkQasN0sSnLmgIm7gCaA5NR7jM6C77SkltS0jjOs6pc pKEAn0DRLZJPlddmQDXZs8gPyvfmGpoz =9MsL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 20 November 2008 01:51:12 am G T Smith wrote:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060710-7222.html
Somehow I was under the impression this had been around for a while...
Oh, I had no idea. I figured it - along with 1-2-3 - was history. Nevermind. -- kai www.filesite.org || www.perfectreign.com Clean out a corner of your mind and creativity will instantly fill it. - Dee Hock -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte wrote:
On Wednesday 19 November 2008 09:49:44 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:
I tried an HTML message and sent it to my outlook mailbox. It was able to format text alright - though no tables or images. I was unable to paste an image (png file) into the message body, nor was I able to insert one inline. I only got binary gobblygook when I tried.
http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2008/20081118_kmail_html.png Yep.....bout what I had on my tests. I can't even highlight an HTML post that I receive, and be able to paste it - just as it's displayed - in a new HTML post.....pics are only referenced...NOT displayed. In T-Bird, all is there and as it should be. I can easily edit anything in it, and then send it on.
I noticed that on thunderbird. I have my wife (running Win2K) switched over to thunderbird from Outlook express. (This is in preparation for a new computer I plan to buy her this winter which will include only openSUSE.)
Good!
Of course, she spends most of her email time at the univeristy outlook web access portal. (She's behind me on her computer right now.)
"LookOut" ought to outlawed!
The formatting came across fine, though. Yes.....but nothing else is right. I suspect that the authors of KMail don't like HTML and therefore just haven't put the effort into it that they should have. 'Gotta see how the Edora port is coming.......heard it's in the works. ;)
Eudora?? Wow, next thing you know we'll have a Linux version of Lotus Notes!
Ya think? ;) Fred -- "Politicians and diapers need to be changed regularly -- and for the same reason." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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