Start-up stops at "/sbin/preload /etc/preload.d/kdm"
Hi folks, after a (working) reinstallation and a full update, my SUSE 10.0 stops at start-up when going into runlevel 5 at the script S03earlykdm which executes "/sbin/preload /etc/preload.d/kdm". When I kill the preload process everything works fine. I've tried to run preload manually with --help and without, but it doesn't say anything and I have to do Ctrl+C to get out again. Maybe this is "normal", I don't know. My System is up-to-date and a reinstallation of preload didn't bring any change. I'm using kernel 2.6.13-15.8-default (also tried 2.6.15-jad2). Nothing in syslog. Any ideas about this strange behaviour? Regards, David -- David Geiger info@david-geiger.de
Hi! Am Montag, 27. Februar 2006 12:34 schrieb David Geiger:
My System is up-to-date and a reinstallation of preload didn't bring any change. I'm using kernel 2.6.13-15.8-default (also tried 2.6.15-jad2). Nothing in syslog. Any ideas about this strange behaviour?
I think this is due to the latest build of the kdm-package. Try pressing CTR+D, apparently that works around the issue. Sven
Am Montag, 27. Februar 2006 12:39 schrieb Sven Burmeister:
I think this is due to the latest build of the kdm-package. Try pressing CTR+D, apparently that works around the issue.
Thanks! What exactly does Ctrl+D do? -- David Geiger info@david-geiger.de
Please dont flame me on this...My one friend has just become a boss and now she has to give a speach to all her employees, and doesn't know what to say so she came to me, and i really dont know. Please if anyone can help out. I would really appreciate it.
Am Dienstag, 28. Februar 2006 11:57 schrieb Carny:
Please dont flame me on this...My one friend has just become a boss and now she has to give a speach to all her employees, and doesn't know what to say so she came to me, and i really dont know. Please if anyone can help out. I would really appreciate it.
She wants to do a speech on kdm boot problems? You've jumped in halfway through a thread, and you haven't given any indication on what topic this speech needs to be, talking about kdm boot problems doesn't seem to be the right topic for a speech to employees by a new boss... ;-) Dave -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
im sorry..she needs to give a speach. Topic basicly shes there new boss, and
they must replort all the problems to her and stuff like that..im not really
good at this
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Am Dienstag, 28. Februar 2006 11:57 schrieb Carny:
Please dont flame me on this...My one friend has just become a boss and now she has to give a speach to all her employees, and doesn't know what to say so she came to me, and i really dont know. Please if anyone can help out. I would really appreciate it.
She wants to do a speech on kdm boot problems?
You've jumped in halfway through a thread, and you haven't given any indication on what topic this speech needs to be, talking about kdm boot problems doesn't seem to be the right topic for a speech to employees by a new boss... ;-)
Dave -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
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Perhaps you friend should try out this place http://speeches.com/ Carny wrote:
im sorry..she needs to give a speach. Topic basicly shes there new boss, and they must replort all the problems to her and stuff like that..im not really good at this ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wright"
To: Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] OT: Speaches Am Dienstag, 28. Februar 2006 11:57 schrieb Carny:
Please dont flame me on this...My one friend has just become a boss and now she has to give a speach to all her employees, and doesn't know what to say so she came to me, and i really dont know. Please if anyone can help out. I would really appreciate it.
She wants to do a speech on kdm boot problems?
You've jumped in halfway through a thread, and you haven't given any indication on what topic this speech needs to be, talking about kdm boot problems doesn't seem to be the right topic for a speech to employees by a new boss... ;-)
Dave -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
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Sorry this one seems also good http://www.occasionalwords.com/ow/, no one can't say that we don't try to help at least ;-) Carny wrote:
im sorry..she needs to give a speach. Topic basicly shes there new boss, and they must replort all the problems to her and stuff like that..im not really good at this ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wright"
To: Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] OT: Speaches Am Dienstag, 28. Februar 2006 11:57 schrieb Carny:
Please dont flame me on this...My one friend has just become a boss and now she has to give a speach to all her employees, and doesn't know what to say so she came to me, and i really dont know. Please if anyone can help out. I would really appreciate it.
She wants to do a speech on kdm boot problems?
You've jumped in halfway through a thread, and you haven't given any indication on what topic this speech needs to be, talking about kdm boot problems doesn't seem to be the right topic for a speech to employees by a new boss... ;-)
Dave -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
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Am Dienstag, 28. Februar 2006 12:16 schrieb Carny:
im sorry..she needs to give a speach. Topic basicly shes there new boss, and they must replort all the problems to her and stuff like that..im not really good at this ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wright"
To: Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] OT: Speaches Am Dienstag, 28. Februar 2006 11:57 schrieb Carny:
Please dont flame me on this...My one friend has just become a boss and now she has to give a speach to all her employees, and doesn't know what to say so she came to me, and i really dont know. Please if anyone can help out. I would really appreciate it.
She wants to do a speech on kdm boot problems?
You've jumped in halfway through a thread, and you haven't given any indication on what topic this speech needs to be, talking about kdm boot problems doesn't seem to be the right topic for a speech to employees by a new boss... ;-)
I can't really help with what to say, you haven't said what sort of industry, what sort of role she has, formal or informal etc. But I'll give a couple of hints on manner and content... Assuming it hasn't got to be too formal and conservative: Make it humorous, relax, make direct eye contact (but not when you are talking about "bad" things that happen :-P), appear laid back - if it is in the office environment, come round the front of the desk so there is less of a barrier between her and her audience. Lean back against a desk or something, even sit on the edge of the desk to make it feel more friendly and less formal. Make some slides with the key points if you have a projector or big screen available. Don't write the whole speech down, she isn't a politician, so reading the speech 100% verbatim from a script gives the wrong impression, use the slides, or a bit of paper if you can't have slides, as a prompt with just the key points. I'm currently lecturing on software re-engineering at the local Uni, I have to talk for between 1-2 hours at a time on technical subjects, partly in English and partly in German, which can get dry and boring, so I ad-lib a hell of a lot to try and keep it lively, getting a good laugh off at the beginning can get the audiences attention. I think my best lecture was probably the final one before Christmas, which was 100% improvised, discussing my career working in IT, funny things that had happened and reacting to questions thrown at me by the students. I had a long speech prepared for my brothers wedding for example, I had it printed out in big text, but I started out by saying "I feel a naked standing here without my powerpoint slides today." That got just enough laughs to break the ice, and after that, I rattled off the speech and I think I glanced at my notes once, I got out everything I wanted to say, but it was fluid and 90% word-for-word what I had written. That's the key, know what you want to say, and know it well enough that you don't need to recite it from cue cards. If you make mistakes, laugh at them and carry on, don't stop and think about the mistake, just carry on and try and get back on track. Dave -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 11:16 am, Carny wrote:
she needs to give a speach. Topic basicly shes there new boss, and they must replort all the problems to her and stuff like that.
I am surprised that a person who has just been made a "Boss" does not know what to say to her employees, and that she is going to make a "speech" and not a "speach". I wonder how she got through the selection panel interviews? My suggestion is: 1) She should tell her employees of her vision for the future of the firm and how she means to achieve it. 2) How she is going to change working practices. 3) What she is going to do concerning future pay increases and holiday entitlements. 4) Her thoughts on Trade Union recognition. 5) She should explain to them the correct procedure for reporting problems and how she will respond. 6) She should extol the virtues of Linux over Windows, comparing the various Linux distributions. 7) Finally, she should say that, from the following day, her firm will be abandoning Windows and using Linux exclusively. Alternatively, she could give a talk on her last year's holiday - which would probably be far more interesting to her staff ;-) Cheers Keith
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 06:16, Carny wrote:
im sorry..she needs to give a speach. Topic basicly shes there new boss, and they must replort all the problems to her and stuff like that..im not really good at this ==========
Carny, This sounds like a good start to me. "Hi, I'm <insert name> your new boss. You will now listen to what I have to say and report to me! Any variance from this order will surely cause trouble with the new boss, me. Now get back to work and have a nice day." And remember, have a lot of fun! ;o)
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 10:39, BandiPat wrote:
This sounds like a good start to me.
"Hi, I'm <insert name> your new boss. You will now listen to what I have to say and report to me! Any variance from this order will surely cause trouble with the new boss, me. Now get back to work and have a nice day."
And remember, have a lot of fun! ;o)
This one gets *my* vote, Lee. It's about as clear and succinct as you can get! Carl
Carl Hartung wrote:
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 10:39, BandiPat wrote:
This sounds like a good start to me.
"Hi, I'm <insert name> your new boss. You will now listen to what I have to say and report to me! Any variance from this order will surely cause trouble with the new boss, me. Now get back to work and have a nice day."
And remember, have a lot of fun! ;o)
This one gets *my* vote, Lee. It's about as clear and succinct as you can get!
Now, wait until the manager asks you to find all the unknown problems. ;-)
Could you please specify a bit more, there is a lot of subjects that can be covered here :) Carny wrote:
Please dont flame me on this...My one friend has just become a boss and now she has to give a speach to all her employees, and doesn't know what to say so she came to me, and i really dont know. Please if anyone can help out. I would really appreciate it.
This is one of the most awkward places to find an answer to such a question,
lol. Many of us are "nerds" and are a disaster at slick speeches. Try
posting it at alt.managers or alt.liars i.e.
2006/2/28, Per Qvindesland
Could you please specify a bit more, there is a lot of subjects that can be covered here :)
Carny wrote:
Please dont flame me on this...My one friend has just become a boss and now she has to give a speach to all her employees, and doesn't know what to say so she came to me, and i really dont know. Please if anyone can help out. I would really appreciate it.
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Carny wrote:
Please dont flame me on this...My one friend has just become a boss and now she has to give a speach to all her employees, and doesn't know what to say so she came to me, and i really dont know. Please if anyone can help out. I would really appreciate it.
She can tell them about how great Linux is. ;-)
I find that poor spelling on slides tends to have a bad effect on your audience - so "speaches" probably isn't a good start. Perhaps she could tell them about spelling checkers ;) James Knott wrote:
Carny wrote:
Please dont flame me on this...My one friend has just become a boss and now she has to give a speach to all her employees, and doesn't know what to say so she came to me, and i really dont know. Please if anyone can help out. I would really appreciate it.
She can tell them about how great Linux is. ;-)
Jonathan Brooks wrote:
I find that poor spelling on slides tends to have a bad effect on your audience - so "speaches" probably isn't a good start.
Perhaps she could tell them about spelling checkers ;)
I thought spelling mistakes were the mark of a manager. ;-) I've known a couple over the years, who'd you wonder if they ever finished high school. Then there are terms such as "solutioning" etc.
Am Dienstag, 28. Februar 2006 13:55 schrieb James Knott:
Jonathan Brooks wrote:
I find that poor spelling on slides tends to have a bad effect on your audience - so "speaches" probably isn't a good start.
Perhaps she could tell them about spelling checkers ;)
I thought spelling mistakes were the mark of a manager. ;-)
Only bad ones. I thought it was being quick on your feet, dodgy the pooh coming down and catching the good stuff on its way up, and always knowing what to say... Asking in a Linux forum doesn't sound like a good first action for a new manager... :-O
I've known a couple over the years, who'd you wonder if they ever finished high school. Then there are terms such as "solutioning" etc.
They probably went to university then. I am going through a Uni technical paper for someone at the moment. Uni's seem to love tortology and taking 30 pages to state the obvious without actually having written anything that wasn't cribbed from another publication :-( Dave -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
This is about as surrealy off topic as you can get for this list! Thinking about giving my Pontiac Trans Am a service; any recommendations on oil? Matthew
On Tuesday, February 28, 2006 @ 7:47 AM, Matthew Stringer wrote:
This is about as surrealy off topic as you can get for this list!
Thinking about giving my Pontiac Trans Am a service; any recommendations on
oil?
Matthew
Well, I counted 13 responses before anyone as much as hinted that this was OT. Greg Wallace
Am Dienstag, 28. Februar 2006 17:32 schrieb Greg Wallace:
On Tuesday, February 28, 2006 @ 7:47 AM, Matthew Stringer wrote:
This is about as surrealy off topic as you can get for this list!
Thinking about giving my Pontiac Trans Am a service; any recommendations on
oil?
Matthew
Well, I counted 13 responses before anyone as much as hinted that this was OT.
Greg Wallace
Wow, I'm really astonished at the amount of answers to what has once been my thread a long time ago. It's just... WTF has all this to do with preloading kdm? *g* -- David Geiger info@david-geiger.de
James Knott wrote:
Jonathan Brooks wrote:
I find that poor spelling on slides tends to have a bad effect on your audience - so "speaches" probably isn't a good start.
Perhaps she could tell them about spelling checkers ;)
I thought spelling mistakes were the mark of a manager. ;-)
I've known a couple over the years, who'd you wonder if they ever finished high school. Then there are terms such as "solutioning" etc.
Don't forget the always popular "we need to incent our subordinates" *S* Jim
On 28/02/06, Jim Sabatke
James Knott wrote:
Jonathan Brooks wrote:
I find that poor spelling on slides tends to have a bad effect on your audience - so "speaches" probably isn't a good start.
Perhaps she could tell them about spelling checkers ;)
I thought spelling mistakes were the mark of a manager. ;-)
I've known a couple over the years, who'd you wonder if they ever finished high school. Then there are terms such as "solutioning" etc.
Don't forget the always popular "we need to incent our subordinates"
*S*
Jim
The one that always gets me - and it is relevant to computing - is the use of the words affect and effect. Too often they get misused for each other. Sometimes to the point where I have to sit and think about what the author is talking about :-) Most things we can put down to typo's but not completely the wrong word. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Xmas may be over but, PLEASE DON'T drink and drive you'll make it to the next one that way. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
Kevanf1 wrote:
On 28/02/06, Jim Sabatke
wrote: James Knott wrote:
Jonathan Brooks wrote:
I find that poor spelling on slides tends to have a bad effect on your audience - so "speaches" probably isn't a good start.
Perhaps she could tell them about spelling checkers ;)
I thought spelling mistakes were the mark of a manager. ;-)
I've known a couple over the years, who'd you wonder if they ever finished high school. Then there are terms such as "solutioning" etc.
Don't forget the always popular "we need to incent our subordinates"
*S*
Jim
The one that always gets me - and it is relevant to computing - is the use of the words affect and effect. Too often they get misused for each other. Sometimes to the point where I have to sit and think about what the author is talking about :-)
Most things we can put down to typo's but not completely the wrong word. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Xmas may be over but, PLEASE DON'T drink and drive you'll make it to the next one that way.
Kevan Farmer
Don't forget about ensure and insure. I've had to change 'insure' to 'ensure' more times than I can count. Jim
On 28/02/06 09:25, Kevanf1 wrote:
<snip>
The one that always gets me - and it is relevant to computing - is the use of the words affect and effect. Too often they get misused for each other. Sometimes to the point where I have to sit and think about what the author is talking about :-)
Most things we can put down to typo's but not completely the wrong word.
And don't forget about the incessant use of the possessive when the plural is intended. <duck and run> :)
Jim Sabatke wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Jonathan Brooks wrote:
I find that poor spelling on slides tends to have a bad effect on your audience - so "speaches" probably isn't a good start.
Perhaps she could tell them about spelling checkers ;)
I thought spelling mistakes were the mark of a manager. ;-)
I've known a couple over the years, who'd you wonder if they ever finished high school. Then there are terms such as "solutioning" etc.
Don't forget the always popular "we need to incent our subordinates"
I guess they go to the same schools where they teach creative bookkeeping. ;-)
James Knott wrote:
Jonathan Brooks wrote:
I find that poor spelling on slides tends to have a bad effect on your audience - so "speaches" probably isn't a good start.
Perhaps she could tell them about spelling checkers ;)
I thought spelling mistakes were the mark of a manager. ;-)
I've known a couple over the years, who'd you wonder if they ever finished high school. Then there are terms such as "solutioning" etc.
Don't forget the always popular "we need to incent our subordinates" And the nearly as popular "let's dialog over lunch." Where they spend time bitching about the need to "interface" w the plebian . ( think
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 10:56 am, Jim Sabatke wrote: that's correct speeling ;-) My spell checker doesn't do Latin, and I haven't even looked at any since that Winnie the Pooh book trans. to Latin came out eons ago now. Book was generally carried under the arm of Idiots er, Freshmen or Sophomores pretending to think deep thoughts. -- j it's bigger than the both of us Deeper than the sea Tossing on the water riding destiny Bigger than the both of us Farther than the eye can see We're dancing, our souls are dancing Infinity .. song lyric
Ok I can only come with my own experience here (except from those lame links) please tell your friend that is she should experience any of the following symptoms: sweaty hand palms and shaky knees then it's always a sign that you are in for a really crappy start :) PS: It should be grill me not flame me medium or well done anyone??? ;-) Jonathan Brooks wrote:
I find that poor spelling on slides tends to have a bad effect on your audience - so "speaches" probably isn't a good start.
Perhaps she could tell them about spelling checkers ;)
James Knott wrote:
Carny wrote:
Please dont flame me on this...My one friend has just become a boss and now she has to give a speach to all her employees, and doesn't know what to say so she came to me, and i really dont know. Please if anyone can help out. I would really appreciate it.
She can tell them about how great Linux is. ;-)
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 02:57 am, Carny wrote:
Please dont flame me on this...My one friend has just become a boss and now she has to give a speach to all her employees, and doesn't know what to say so she came to me, and i really dont know. Please if anyone can help out. I would really appreciate it.
Well, since it is February, she could start off, "one half score and five years ago, Linus Torvalds brought forth on this world a new operating system, conceived in open source and dedicated to the proposition that all computers are equal...." Something like that might work? I dunno. It is a bit early, and I haven't had my can of Monster yet. -- kai - www.perfectreign.com www.livebeans.com - the new NetBeans community
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 12:57:29PM +0200, Carny wrote:
Please dont flame me on this...My one friend has just become a boss and now she has to give a speach to all her employees, and doesn't know what to say so she came to me, and i really dont know. Please if anyone can help out. I would really appreciate it.
"I'm giving everyone a 100% pay rise." Should make her very popular. :-) -- David Smith Work Email: Dave.Smith@st.com STMicroelectronics Home Email: David.Smith@ds-electronics.co.uk Bristol, England GPG Key: 0xF13192F2
On Monday 27 February 2006 07:40, David Geiger wrote:
Am Montag, 27. Februar 2006 12:39 schrieb Sven Burmeister:
I think this is due to the latest build of the kdm-package. Try pressing CTR+D, apparently that works around the issue.
Thanks! What exactly does Ctrl+D do?
Signals End-Of-Input. (Like Control-Z on Windows.)
Am Dienstag, 28. Februar 2006 16:54 schrieb Robert Morrison:
On Monday 27 February 2006 07:40, David Geiger wrote:
Am Montag, 27. Februar 2006 12:39 schrieb Sven Burmeister:
I think this is due to the latest build of the kdm-package. Try pressing CTR+D, apparently that works around the issue.
Thanks! What exactly does Ctrl+D do?
Signals End-Of-Input. (Like Control-Z on Windows.)
Alright, so this is something like a manual EOF? :) -- David Geiger info@david-geiger.de
On 3/1/06, David Geiger
Am Dienstag, 28. Februar 2006 16:54 schrieb Robert Morrison:
On Monday 27 February 2006 07:40, David Geiger wrote:
Am Montag, 27. Februar 2006 12:39 schrieb Sven Burmeister:
I think this is due to the latest build of the kdm-package. Try pressing CTR+D, apparently that works around the issue.
Thanks! What exactly does Ctrl+D do?
Signals End-Of-Input. (Like Control-Z on Windows.)
Alright, so this is something like a manual EOF? :)
Exactly. CTRL-D (or ASCII EOT) causes an EOF indicator to be placed in the input stream. When received by the terminal, all the characters in the input queue waiting to be read are immediately passed to the program, without waiting for a new-line indicator. The EOF is not passed to the application. \Steve
Op maandag 27 februari 2006 12:34, schreef David Geiger:
Hi folks,
after a (working) reinstallation and a full update, my SUSE 10.0 stops at start-up when going into runlevel 5 at the script S03earlykdm which executes "/sbin/preload /etc/preload.d/kdm". When I kill the preload process everything works fine.
I've tried to run preload manually with --help and without, but it doesn't say anything and I have to do Ctrl+C to get out again. Maybe this is "normal", I don't know.
My System is up-to-date and a reinstallation of preload didn't bring any change. I'm using kernel 2.6.13-15.8-default (also tried 2.6.15-jad2). Nothing in syslog. Any ideas about this strange behaviour?
Regards, David
-- The problem is kdebase3-kdm 3.5.1-27. See other topic in suse-e-list! "[SLE] SuSE 10 won't start after update with apt-get on 24 feb. (found it)" Gerrit Jan -- thanks, Gerrit Jan KDE-versie: 3.5.1 Level "a" Systeem: SuSELinux 10.0 Kernel: 2.6.13-15.7-default
Op maandag 27 februari 2006 13:22, schreef u:
Op maandag 27 februari 2006 12:34, schreef David Geiger:
Hi folks,
after a (working) reinstallation and a full update, my SUSE 10.0 stops at start-up when going into runlevel 5 at the script S03earlykdm which executes "/sbin/preload /etc/preload.d/kdm". When I kill the preload process everything works fine.
I've tried to run preload manually with --help and without, but it doesn't say anything and I have to do Ctrl+C to get out again. Maybe this is "normal", I don't know.
My System is up-to-date and a reinstallation of preload didn't bring any change. I'm using kernel 2.6.13-15.8-default (also tried 2.6.15-jad2). Nothing in syslog. Any ideas about this strange behaviour?
Regards, David
-- The problem is kdebase3-kdm 3.5.1-27. See other topic in suse-e-list! "[SLE] SuSE 10 won't start after update with apt-get on 24 feb. (found it)" Gerrit Jan
The solved it. There is an update ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/base/kdebase3-kdm-3.5.1-33.i586.rpm -- Gerrit Jan
participants (22)
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BandiPat
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Carl Hartung
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Carny
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Darryl Gregorash
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David Geiger
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David SMITH
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David Wright
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Gerrit Jan
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Greg Wallace
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James Knott
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Jan van Kollenburg
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jfweber@bellsouth.net
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Jim Sabatke
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Jonathan Brooks
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kai
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Keith Powell
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Kevanf1
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Matthew Stringer
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Per Qvindesland
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Robert Morrison
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Steve Graegert
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Sven Burmeister