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First, there is something called 'win-modem' (Lousy)
Now, here come the "Lin-CPU" (Wonderful?) :)
Is someone designing a "CPU Powered by Linux" sticker for the new baby? :)>
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2000, you wrote:
First, there is something called 'win-modem' (Lousy)
Now, here come the "Lin-CPU" (Wonderful?) :)
Is someone designing a "CPU Powered by Linux" sticker for the new baby? :)>
Before making any judgements you should visit the site first. I'll just quote this section for you: When designing the Crusoe processors, Transmeta paid special attention to full compatibility. This endeavor was in fact made much easier by the unique approach of delegating the responsibility for compatibility to the Code Morphing software. All Crusoe processors are: Fully x86 compatible: they run x86 applications just like conventional x86 microprocessors. PC compatible: Crusoe processors already include portions of the traditional PC support chipset, and they run all popular PC operating systems. Internet compatible: Crusoe processors run the full wealth of Internet plugins written for the x86 - a world that is closed to most other low-power (non-x86-compatible) processors. -- Yatsen Ng yatsen.ng@brunel.nl Den Haag, The Netherlands It said "Needs Windows 95 or better". So I installed Linux... -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
At 04:49 PM 1/21/2000 +0100, Yatsen Ng wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000, you wrote:
First, there is something called 'win-modem' (Lousy)
Now, here come the "Lin-CPU" (Wonderful?) :)
Is someone designing a "CPU Powered by Linux" sticker for the new baby? :)>
Before making any judgements you should visit the site first. I'll just quote this section for you:
Very interesting , It would realy be neat if it could use linux code natively , as oposed to emulating x86 and then executring linux code. What is realy awsum is the fact that the linux code is all open , just edit (Yeh right - but who knows ) and recompile it on a native level all right I might be dreaming here , but who knows.
When designing the Crusoe processors, Transmeta paid special attention to full compatibility. This endeavor was in fact made much easier by the unique approach of delegating the responsibility for compatibility to the Code Morphing software. All Crusoe processors are:
Fully x86 compatible: they run x86 applications just like conventional x86 microprocessors.
PC compatible: Crusoe processors already include portions of the traditional PC support chipset, and they run all popular PC operating systems.
Internet compatible: Crusoe processors run the full wealth of Internet plugins written for the x86 - a world that is closed to most other low-power (non-x86-compatible) processors.
-- Yatsen Ng yatsen.ng@brunel.nl Den Haag, The Netherlands
It said "Needs Windows 95 or better". So I installed Linux...
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First, there is something called 'win-modem' (Lousy)
Now, here come the "Lin-CPU" (Wonderful?) :)
Is someone designing a "CPU Powered by Linux" sticker for the new baby? :)>
Before making any judgements you should visit the site first. I'll just quote this section for you:
Very interesting , It would realy be neat if it could use linux code natively , as oposed to emulating x86 and then executring linux code. What is realy awsum is the fact that the linux code is all open , just edit (Yeh right - but who knows ) and recompile it on a native level
all right I might be dreaming here , but who knows.
When designing the Crusoe processors, Transmeta paid special attention to full compatibility. This endeavor was in fact made much easier by the unique approach of delegating the responsibility for compatibility to the Code Morphing software. All Crusoe processors are:
Fully x86 compatible: they run x86 applications just like conventional x86 microprocessors.
PC compatible: Crusoe processors already include portions of the
Although I am no expert in this field, but I would see this subject as follows: 1. Implication to x86 processors, the "Lin-CPU" will uses less power, runs cooler and therefore higher efficiency is possible. Although the whole world (?) is using x86 in most fields, the capability to emulate and replace the iron-hot CPU will force the current x86 manufacturers to work along the same direction. Who know the 'bill' maybe working on some 'win(or lose) cpu' now?? 2. The implementation of Linux code within the processor gives the Linux environment one super up advantage. China is blocking win2k, 98 and office2k to be used in their government depts, and is working on their own chinese variants of Linux, if Linux code can be directly executed by the processor without going one big round, I tends to believe that they will buy this than any other x86 cpu if the price is right. 3. Longer battery life per charge, lighter, cooler notebook or handheld devices are the future, the "Lin-CPU" has all these feature, only worry now is that it has to prove itself workable. 4. Linux is the way to go? the current x86 cpus runs cooler with Linux than winOS, so it's no surprise if the "Lin-CPU" is more superior when executing Linux code. The realiability of Linux has won many's heart, only trouble now is there are too many different Linux around, this is not good for applications development as developers will have hard time to take care all the different variants. 5. Personally I would not think that the "Lin-CPU" will causes anything to both Intel or AMD on desktop and server applications at the moment but the impact will be on the mobile marker. I would like to see new notebook with the "Lin-CPU" and able to run for 10 or more hours with full feature in subnote or slim footprint either running Linux, win or both. :) Just my little conclusion on the subject. Dennis/SG traditional
PC support chipset, and they run all popular PC operating systems.
Internet compatible: Crusoe processors run the full wealth of Internet plugins written for the x86 - a world that is closed to most other low-power (non-x86-compatible) processors.
-- Yatsen Ng
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At 02:38 PM 1/22/2000 +0800, Dennis wrote:
Although I am no expert in this field, but I would see this subject as follows:
1. Implication to x86 processors, the "Lin-CPU" will uses less power, runs cooler and therefore higher efficiency is possible. Although the whole world (?) is using x86 in most fields, the capability to emulate and replace the iron-hot CPU will force the current x86 manufacturers to work along the same direction. Who know the 'bill' maybe working on some 'win(or lose) cpu' now??
Remember the intel/mickysoft pplan to integrate every ting into the motherboard just for windows , there for locking every one else out. Hmmmm, funy that some one would do it the other way around and allow it to emulate x86 so any one can use it. Wonder what bill is working on now , especialy noe that hes got a lot of "free" time to work on new projects. What was it " something to do with the internet. Time will tell
2. The implementation of Linux code within the processor gives the Linux environment one super up advantage. China is blocking win2k, 98 and office2k to be used in their government depts, and is working on their own chinese variants of Linux, if Linux code can be directly executed by the processor without going one big round, I tends to believe that they will buy this than any other x86 cpu if the price is right.
This will realy push linux into the open , especialy with other potential users in other pars of the worl. China has the talen and the ability to realy take the ball and run. Not tpo mention Kerea amnd mexico who have all jumped to the linux wagon. The only concern is will they realy keep to the gpl licence/idiology , or will thay by there "big arm of the Gov." put a clamp down and simply not release all/some of it. That remians to be seen. China/Koreae have the talent and the means to make there own os and network apliance/toaster and market it on there own. Might be older or less technicaly able but will be a workable solution. Then for high end they can just order the real mcoy.
3. Longer battery life per charge, lighter, cooler notebook or handheld devices are the future, the "Lin-CPU" has all these feature, only worry now is that it has to prove itself workable.
Imagine coupling a car battery and solar cell to this deive and you can use it any where wher ther is no electrical grid , not to mention how much of the third world is still without electric/telco service. They are allready starting to use cell phone technolgy where there is no land line network set up.
4. Linux is the way to go? the current x86 cpus runs cooler with Linux than winOS, so it's no surprise if the "Lin-CPU" is more superior when executing Linux code. The realiability of Linux has won many's heart, only trouble now is there are too many different Linux around, this is not good for applications development as developers will have hard time to take care all the different variants.
This will force some sort of standard/uniformity in how applications are to be set up/mapped for instalation on systems. Kind of like a universal rpm format. The os code is open so at least every one can see/refer to it. Unlike Mcy$oft where you are blind and only have the api interface that changes on each ne release of the os windmill cycle.
5. Personally I would not think that the "Lin-CPU" will causes anything to both Intel or AMD on desktop and server applications at the moment but the impact will be on the mobile marker. I would like to see new notebook with the "Lin-CPU" and able to run for 10 or more hours with full feature in subnote or slim footprint either running Linux, win or both. :)
This remians to be seen. Amd is starting to prove it can make a real usable and marketable chip to compete with intell. every oone knows that the chip is so hot , that intel/Micro$oft are puting pressure on the mother bord makers not to produce mother boards for the chip. Wait till theuy come out with the mobile K7 , that will realy rock. I see intel as more able to deal with it , then amd , as they have more mony and market influence to stay afloat while they work to leap frog the technology. Amd does not have the resources like intell. But you still need to be wary of the underdog , as they frequenly will come up with something new that the other has paid little atention to. Remember how amd started wiuith the k6 extension . No one thaought they had a snow balls cahnce in hell. Now look at them.
Just my little conclusion on the subject. Dennis/SG
First, there is something called 'win-modem' (Lousy)
Now, here come the "Lin-CPU" (Wonderful?) :)
Is someone designing a "CPU Powered by Linux" sticker for the new baby? :)>
Before making any judgements you should visit the site first. I'll just quote this section for you:
Very interesting , It would realy be neat if it could use linux code natively , as oposed to emulating x86 and then executring linux code. What is realy awsum is the fact that the linux code is all open , just edit (Yeh right - but who knows ) and recompile it on a native level
all right I might be dreaming here , but who knows.
When designing the Crusoe processors, Transmeta paid special attention to full compatibility. This endeavor was in fact made much easier by the unique approach of delegating the responsibility for compatibility to the Code Morphing software. All Crusoe processors are:
Fully x86 compatible: they run x86 applications just like conventional x86 microprocessors.
PC compatible: Crusoe processors already include portions of the traditional PC support chipset, and they run all popular PC operating systems.
Internet compatible: Crusoe processors run the full wealth of Internet plugins written for the x86 - a world that is closed to most other low-power (non-x86-compatible) processors.
-- Yatsen Ng
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They said that they had 'tuned' the cpu to maximize Windoz processing, at the expense of other OS's, because Win has the largest market share. There is the possibility that as the Linux market share explodes Transmeta will produce a cpu that is tuned to Linux, and at a cheaper cost. Why add support for umpteen other OS's of the customer is going to run ONLY Linux? JLK Dennis wrote:
Although I am no expert in this field, but I would see this subject as follows:
1. Implication to x86 processors, the "Lin-CPU" will uses less power, runs cooler and therefore higher efficiency is possible. Although the whole world (?) is using x86 in most fields, the capability to emulate and replace the iron-hot CPU will force the current x86 manufacturers to work along the same direction. Who know the 'bill' maybe working on some 'win(or lose) cpu' now??
2. The implementation of Linux code within the processor gives the Linux environment one super up advantage. China is blocking win2k, 98 and office2k to be used in their government depts, and is working on their own chinese variants of Linux, if Linux code can be directly executed by the processor without going one big round, I tends to believe that they will buy this than any other x86 cpu if the price is right.
3. Longer battery life per charge, lighter, cooler notebook or handheld devices are the future, the "Lin-CPU" has all these feature, only worry now is that it has to prove itself workable.
4. Linux is the way to go? the current x86 cpus runs cooler with Linux than winOS, so it's no surprise if the "Lin-CPU" is more superior when executing Linux code. The realiability of Linux has won many's heart, only trouble now is there are too many different Linux around, this is not good for applications development as developers will have hard time to take care all the different variants.
5. Personally I would not think that the "Lin-CPU" will causes anything to both Intel or AMD on desktop and server applications at the moment but the impact will be on the mobile marker. I would like to see new notebook with the "Lin-CPU" and able to run for 10 or more hours with full feature in subnote or slim footprint either running Linux, win or both. :)
Just my little conclusion on the subject. Dennis/SG
First, there is something called 'win-modem' (Lousy)
Now, here come the "Lin-CPU" (Wonderful?) :)
Is someone designing a "CPU Powered by Linux" sticker for the new baby? :)>
Before making any judgements you should visit the site first. I'll just quote this section for you:
Very interesting , It would realy be neat if it could use linux code natively , as oposed to emulating x86 and then executring linux code. What is realy awsum is the fact that the linux code is all open , just edit (Yeh right - but who knows ) and recompile it on a native level
all right I might be dreaming here , but who knows.
When designing the Crusoe processors, Transmeta paid special attention to full compatibility. This endeavor was in fact made much easier by the unique approach of delegating the responsibility for compatibility to the Code Morphing software. All Crusoe processors are:
Fully x86 compatible: they run x86 applications just like conventional x86 microprocessors.
PC compatible: Crusoe processors already include portions of the traditional PC support chipset, and they run all popular PC operating systems.
Internet compatible: Crusoe processors run the full wealth of Internet plugins written for the x86 - a world that is closed to most other low-power (non-x86-compatible) processors.
-- Yatsen Ng
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