[opensuse] sax2 refuses to run
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, This is what I get: # sax2 --reinit ... [24] 0 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B] (II) Setting vga for screen 0. (**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888 (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) (==) NVIDIA(0): Using HW cursor (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration (==) NVIDIA(0): Video key set to default value of 0x101fe FATAL: Module nvidia not found. (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! (EE) NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting *** (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" (II) UnloadModule: "ramdac" (II) UnloadModule: "fb" (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found now, why the heck does it want to use the NVIDIA kernel module, propietary, instead of the plain "nv" module, that DOES work? I have to force it via "--modules 0=nv"... - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGjUxOtTMYHG2NR9URAvzzAJsFsqQFzzFd/2e9b6//AtipAGY+UQCgjqP1 3Pg2YpvRfl3OQVAsv6wBj98= =Aviw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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* Carlos E. R.
FATAL: Module nvidia not found. (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
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now, why the heck does it want to use the NVIDIA kernel module, propietary, instead of the plain "nv" module, that DOES work?
I have to force it via "--modules 0=nv"...
xorg.conf must have "nvidia" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Driver "nvidia" s/nvidia/nv and you haven't compiled the kernel for the nvidia module I "think" :^) - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGjU+ysbn4NKpz0QERAiwaAKCvuyViaL1w66U+54FuXD6+nEad3QCeKb4s S3nVcOQKAAXiaLPObrnr+RU= =rOBb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
patrick wrote: lo patrick
I have to force it via "--modules 0=nv"...
xorg.conf must have "nvidia" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Driver "nvidia"
write him the whole command: 'sax2 -r -m 0=nvidia' cheers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jan Tiggy wrote:
patrick wrote:
lo patrick
I have to force it via "--modules 0=nv"...
xorg.conf must have "nvidia" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Driver "nvidia"
write him the whole command:
'sax2 -r -m 0=nvidia'
cheers
I think you misunderstood what he was asking. I believe he wants to use nv, rather than nvidia, but his sax2 is defaulting to nvidia. Now, why that would be, I have no clue. Mine defaulted to nv, and I forced nvidia when I installed it. Perhaps Carlos has downloaded the nvidia drivers and sax2 picked up on it? Derek -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGjVvdg39m4F98CH4RAgY0AJwMUq3PmtftJ9zaSfzMfFgD6TuytwCdEaSp nnHiqYSYz50dEtfNI/Rwz0Q= =bGio -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-07-05 at 17:00 -0400, Michael Derek Barnett wrote:
I think you misunderstood what he was asking. I believe he wants to use nv, rather than nvidia, but his sax2 is defaulting to nvidia.
Exactly.
Now, why that would be, I have no clue. Mine defaulted to nv, and I forced nvidia when I installed it. Perhaps Carlos has downloaded the nvidia drivers and sax2 picked up on it?
I do have the nvidia drivers, but I haven't used them in months. Certainly they will not run because the kernel module is not compiled. That's why saxs crashes, but I don't understand why it chooses the propietary driver first, even if installed. In the linux world that should be a no-no. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGjYcqtTMYHG2NR9URAgGgAKCJuSDGvldSwmp7waMWenCVVXMiuACff7n8 itjoofHp1EY+ee97oGu/NHQ= =K4dR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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* Jan Tiggy
I have to force it via "--modules 0=nv"...
xorg.conf must have "nvidia" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Driver "nvidia"
write him the whole command:
'sax2 -r -m 0=nvidia'
No, iiuc, he wants "nv". I *should* have said that he *apparently* has "nvidia" rather than "must have". there is also, switch2nv from 3ddiag-0.735-1.6 - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGjVwksbn4NKpz0QERArYsAKCA6OB5jk2ODUH0JJNbDNudNlHOoQCg9hzA nm2cY5QieTGE7DUzJq1xBvs= =LXlD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan schrieb:
No, iiuc, he wants "nv". I *should* have said that he *apparently* has "nvidia" rather than "must have".
ok. mea culpa. did not read carefully. nevertheless sax2's accepted 'nv' for 'nvidia' in past suse releases.
there is also, switch2nv from 3ddiag-0.735-1.6
what the heck 'nv' suppose to be then? cheers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jan Tiggy wrote:
what the heck 'nv' suppose to be then?
cheers
'nv' is the xorg driver. it works, but 3d isn't supported in it. nvidia is the closed source driver from nvidia, which does support 3d. Derek -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGjWYDg39m4F98CH4RAg2TAJ4pbWsIyvxhkN4Iza/T+s0w6AUokgCaAh1R GZPi3Vg+S+fLZ0DVXxzixFg= =aZqB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Michael Derek Barnett has written:
'nv' is the xorg driver. it works, but 3d isn't supported in it. nvidia is the closed source driver from nvidia, which does support 3d.
ok. thx for explaining it to me. however i do not understand why would somebody prefer the nv 'crippled' driver in favor of the proprietary one? never mind. ain't my beer. maybe some kind of religion. who knows. cheers jan ps: @op, if you wanna use the crippled driver then uninstall the proprietary one. the sax2's 'nv' switch responds to the latest nvidia driver installed on your system. afaik of course. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-07-06 at 00:03 +0200, Jan Tiggy wrote:
Michael Derek Barnett has written:
'nv' is the xorg driver. it works, but 3d isn't supported in it. nvidia is the closed source driver from nvidia, which does support 3d.
ok. thx for explaining it to me. however i do not understand why would somebody prefer the nv 'crippled' driver in favor of the proprietary one? never mind. ain't my beer. maybe some kind of religion. who knows.
It is not crippled; it does some things better, but it doesn't do things that are kept secret by the makers. For instance, if you need to report a kernel bug and you are using the proprietary "nvidia" driver, kernel devs will simply refuse to even look at it. I use "nvidia" when I need the speed, and "nv" when I need reliability.
ps: @op, if you wanna use the crippled driver then uninstall the proprietary one. the sax2's 'nv' switch responds to the latest nvidia driver installed on your system. afaik of course.
No. I already said that sax2 can be convinced to use the nv driver instead, without uninstalling anything. That's not the point. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGjYj2tTMYHG2NR9URAsZvAJ9Mppku8y/lTrbVpQ08gahjgKY1LwCfe5KD kskBOowYmugnD5MycE4Z6jU= =nBud -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-07-05 at 16:08 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
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now, why the heck does it want to use the NVIDIA kernel module, propietary, instead of the plain "nv" module, that DOES work?
I have to force it via "--modules 0=nv"...
xorg.conf must have "nvidia"
No, because xorg.conf is not read. Remember I used "sax2 --reinit". And my xorg.conf is set to use nv, anyway.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Driver "nvidia"
s/nvidia/nv
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you haven't compiled the kernel for the nvidia module
Most certainly not! So I want to use "nv", not nvidia, but sax2 wants to use the propietary nvidia instead of the open nv. That's what I'm grumbling about. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGjYZ3tTMYHG2NR9URAljZAJ97fXWj8w3MQ9qkhlzXJejK/lpo5ACfQtRM oYrawIjzflkdK3leH/Eu4z4= =eyPY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-07-06 at 02:01 +0200, I wrote:
The Thursday 2007-07-05 at 16:08 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
xorg.conf must have "nvidia"
No, because xorg.conf is not read. Remember I used "sax2 --reinit". And my xorg.conf is set to use nv, anyway.
The idea, anyway, was to adjust my display to recenter it for my monitor. If I use my flat monitor controls to adjust it, then it is off-center in text mode, and viceversa (they seem to be the same video mode, unfortunately, so the display hardware doesn't record different settings). So I wanted to center it in text mode using the flat panel controls, then use sax2 to correct the settings in X. So, I'm using "sax2 --reinit --modules 0=nv". Then select to test the display, center and resize it to my liking, save, exit... and changes are lost. This is what I get in the xorg.conf file (brand new file, created by sax2, remember): Section "Modes" Identifier "Modes[0]" EndSection No modelines! No modelines, no modified modelines! It is unable to start X! Seems to me that this sax2 is buggy as hell. :-/ Obviously, I haven't lost anything, I'm an old hand in this and saved my old, working config in several places before starting; so the question is: how to get those modified modelines? I need them. Maybe there is a command to read them from memory while the X server is running. Maybe sax2 saves them temporarily somewhere - and no, that is not /tmp: in there it is the xorg.file used to fireup the server, but not the modified file. Maybe there is another program to center the screen. For instance: now I'm using gnome. There is an applet that says "configure display settings". It asks for my root password. It fires up sax2, seems to read my present config (using "nv"). When I get to the "test" point, it fails, and says to read "/var/log/Xorg.99.log". There is this error again: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) This time I don't know what driver it is trying to use, but I think it is the "nv" one. The dialog also complains about "data incomplete in file /var/lib/sax/xorg.conf At least one Device section is required". At least I learnt of another place to look for a sax2 config file... Tomorrow will be a new day. I hope. :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGjY7atTMYHG2NR9URAp8CAJ45S8MT6mknV9I30GWE1UkUsk+v7gCgl8vk DWt9UcOd9wOspDIEQJChbfM= =rg9y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote: hi carlos
The idea, anyway, was to adjust my display to recenter it for my monitor. If I use my flat monitor controls to adjust it, then it is off-center in text mode, and viceversa (they seem to be the same video mode, unfortunately, so the display hardware doesn't record different settings). So I wanted to center it in text mode using the flat panel controls, then use sax2 to correct the settings in X.
flat monitor. > do you mean a lcd or crt-flat? same video mode. > is it 4:3? what resolution? do you get the 'off-center' effect vertically or horizontally?
No modelines! No modelines, no modified modelines! It is unable to start X!
ok. so which hz value do you use for 'vertrefresh' in the text-mode and which one in the video-mode (X)?
Seems to me that this sax2 is buggy as hell. :-/
indeed cheers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-07-06 at 12:43 +0200, Jan Tiggy wrote:
unfortunately, so the display hardware doesn't record different settings). So I wanted to center it in text mode using the flat panel controls, then use sax2 to correct the settings in X.
flat monitor. > do you mean a lcd or crt-flat?
Lcd type. A TFT, I think, cheapest I could find some years ago, from "proview", and came out to be a good one (with prety bad speakers). It has a cute "auto" button that centers the screen, focus it (not really focus, but some equivalent), and leaves it perfect.
same video mode. > is it 4:3? what resolution? do you get the 'off-center' effect vertically or horizontally?
Let me see... mostly horizontal, about 7 mm. Yes, it is a 4:3 standard aspect ratio, 1024*768.
No modelines! No modelines, no modified modelines! It is unable to start X!
ok. so which hz value do you use for 'vertrefresh' in the text-mode and which one in the video-mode (X)?
Both use (currently) 48.3Khz (H) and 59.9Hz (V). Being both the same mode, the hardware doesn't diferentiate them and can not save different adjustments. That's why I tried to use sax2 tuning, which works: but unfortunately, it fails to save the configuration.
Seems to me that this sax2 is buggy as hell. :-/
indeed
Yep. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGjjRhtTMYHG2NR9URAp3NAJ4qtRCmgCoM3QrlRyfWTonGX0rQuACeMp/s qwSL9aQgmeRR2yWDHU1y8fs= =mM6L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
now, why the heck does it want to use the NVIDIA kernel module, propietary, instead of the plain "nv" module, that DOES work?
Just an observation, it seems odd that you would buy the nvidia graphics hardware and then cripple it with the "nv" driver - unless it's a headless server or something... Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-07-05 at 14:16 -0700, joe wrote:
now, why the heck does it want to use the NVIDIA kernel module, propietary, instead of the plain "nv" module, that DOES work?
Just an observation, it seems odd that you would buy the nvidia graphics hardware and then cripple it with the "nv" driver - unless it's a headless server or something...
Because I do not need 3d or accel at the moment, and the nv driver is way more stable. For instance, with the proprietary driver my system crashed when hibernating, and i do that every day. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGjYejtTMYHG2NR9URAtzjAJ9B0UU9KipqQZMsXG6eNztJD+s/3gCgishM 7afZ7KxzcCnDXqDqoPhAmQs= =zKlt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Thursday 2007-07-05 at 14:16 -0700, joe wrote:
now, why the heck does it want to use the NVIDIA kernel module, propietary, instead of the plain "nv" module, that DOES work? Just an observation, it seems odd that you would buy the nvidia graphics hardware and then cripple it with the "nv" driver - unless it's a headless server or something...
Because I do not need 3d or accel at the moment, and the nv driver is way more stable. For instance, with the proprietary driver my system crashed when hibernating, and i do that every day.
Ah - I have seen problems with laptop suspend/resume on the nvidia equipped machines with the 3D drivers. known bug I think... As far as stability in normal scenarios the nvidia takes all the punishment I can give it and keeps on trucking, hella stable. Lots of 3D FPS, OpenGL screensavers, movies etc. but I don't suspend my workstation - different strokes for different folks I guess... Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-07-05 at 17:26 -0700, joe wrote:
Because I do not need 3d or accel at the moment, and the nv driver is way more stable. For instance, with the proprietary driver my system crashed when hibernating, and i do that every day.
Ah - I have seen problems with laptop suspend/resume on the nvidia equipped machines with the 3D drivers. known bug I think... As far as stability in normal scenarios the nvidia takes all the punishment I can give it and keeps on trucking, hella stable. Lots of 3D FPS, OpenGL screensavers, movies etc. but I don't suspend my workstation - different strokes for different folks I guess...
Exactly. I do like the speed of the nvidia driver, of course! But I also need to suspend, because it is way faster than reboot, and I don't have to restart all my apps with the current status and such. I like to come back with the browser open and OOo with the opened calc sheet, etc. If I'm bored and want to play, then I just change to the nvidia driver and fire up a game. As I don't have it prepared at this momemt, I can't be easily tempted to "play" ;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGjZA7tTMYHG2NR9URAlR1AJ4p+iW8bHN/iCZJ0/Yn0F6O0Vp40ACaA2GJ uRJoyauEjOh/v5s+esrdrJQ= =IV6h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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