Linux partitioning

Grové Erasmus

23 Feb 2002 23 Feb '02

17:15

Can Linux filesystems be made at the back of a hard disk ? Would creation of the filesystem at the back of the hard disk allow Linux to boot ? I have 40Gb hard disk, the first 32GB is allocted to NTFS and FAT32 . I am using Partion Magic Pro 7. This is on my main hard disk. I have a 2nd 20Gb hard disk that I use to play with so I wont mess up my hard disk. Grové Erasmus 53 Cottage street E14 0AA, UK +44 7949 051547

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Art Fore

23 Feb 23 Feb

06:11

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This is exactly how I have it installed on my machine. I notice you have Partition Magic 7.0 which means you also have Boot Magic which is also what I am using. Here is what I did Install linux on the upper partition. When It asks where to install the bootloader, install it on the /boot partition that Linux will create. (Do NOT install on the MBR) At this point, you would have to boot into Linux from the Linux Boot Floppy created during installation. Then go into Windows and install BootMagic on the FAT32 partion (It has to be on a FAT32 or FAT16 partion). Do the BootMagic setup and it will most likely find the partition already, save the configuration. If it does not, select the partition where the boot loader is. Reboot, and you are there. You will first get the BootMagic selection screen, when you select the Linux system, you will then get the Lilo or Grub bootloader screen. You will not be able to see the NTFS partition in Linux, unless you install another Linux program but it is still not safe to write to, but you can see the FAT32 partition. If I want Linux to see something from Windows, I put it on the FAT32 partition. I have SuSE 7.3, but at one time, I had SuSE 7.3 and RedHat 7.2 and could select either one from BootMagic. Art -----Original Message----- From: Grové Erasmus [mailto:gerasmus@netwerke.net] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 7:15 AM To: SuSe Linux Hulp Subject: [SLE] Linux partitioning Can Linux filesystems be made at the back of a hard disk ? Would creation of the filesystem at the back of the hard disk allow Linux to boot ? I have 40Gb hard disk, the first 32GB is allocted to NTFS and FAT32 . I am using Partion Magic Pro 7. This is on my main hard disk. I have a 2nd 20Gb hard disk that I use to play with so I wont mess up my hard disk. Grové Erasmus 53 Cottage street E14 0AA, UK +44 7949 051547

Art Fore

06:19

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PS I use my second hard drive as a backup for my windows. If I lose the first hardrive, I can simply reconfigure the master-slave on the drives and have Windows again. I also use the second harddrive to backup Linux on. I tried the two drive boot method, but did not have success with it. Art. -----Original Message----- From: Art Fore [mailto:art_fore@3mts.com] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:12 PM To: SuSe Linux Hulp Subject: RE: [SLE] Linux partitioning This is exactly how I have it installed on my machine. I notice you have Partition Magic 7.0 which means you also have Boot Magic which is also what I am using. Here is what I did Install linux on the upper partition. When It asks where to install the bootloader, install it on the /boot partition that Linux will create. (Do NOT install on the MBR) At this point, you would have to boot into Linux from the Linux Boot Floppy created during installation. Then go into Windows and install BootMagic on the FAT32 partion (It has to be on a FAT32 or FAT16 partion). Do the BootMagic setup and it will most likely find the partition already, save the configuration. If it does not, select the partition where the boot loader is. Reboot, and you are there. You will first get the BootMagic selection screen, when you select the Linux system, you will then get the Lilo or Grub bootloader screen. You will not be able to see the NTFS partition in Linux, unless you install another Linux program but it is still not safe to write to, but you can see the FAT32 partition. If I want Linux to see something from Windows, I put it on the FAT32 partition. I have SuSE 7.3, but at one time, I had SuSE 7.3 and RedHat 7.2 and could select either one from BootMagic. Art -----Original Message----- From: Grové Erasmus [mailto:gerasmus@netwerke.net] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 7:15 AM To: SuSe Linux Hulp Subject: [SLE] Linux partitioning Can Linux filesystems be made at the back of a hard disk ? Would creation of the filesystem at the back of the hard disk allow Linux to boot ? I have 40Gb hard disk, the first 32GB is allocted to NTFS and FAT32 . I am using Partion Magic Pro 7. This is on my main hard disk. I have a 2nd 20Gb hard disk that I use to play with so I wont mess up my hard disk. Grové Erasmus 53 Cottage street E14 0AA, UK +44 7949 051547

James Bliss

18:10

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Yes 02/23/02 09:15:12 AM, Grové Erasmus wrote:

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From: Grové Erasmus

To: "SuSe Linux Hulp" Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:15:12 -0000 Subject:[SLE] Linux partitioning

Can Linux filesystems be made at the ?back? of a hard disk ? Would creation of the filesystem at the back of the hard disk allow Linux to boot ?

I have 40Gb hard disk, the first 32GB is allocted to NTFS and FAT32 . I am nd using Partion Magic Pro 7. This is on my ?main? hard disk. I have a 2 20Gb hard disk that I use to play with so I won?t mess up my hard disk.

Grové Erasmus

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E14 0AA, UK +44 7949 051547

rnc-suse

18:17

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I did this with SuSE 7.0.. In order not to mess up the Master boot record on the hard disk I put LILO on a floppy. When I want to boot Linux I use the floppy to boot. Works well. There are ways to have the harddrive be multiboot but just didn't want to take the risk. Robert On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Grové Erasmus wrote:

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Can Linux filesystems be made at the back of a hard disk ? Would creation of the filesystem at the back of the hard disk allow Linux to boot ? I have 40Gb hard disk, the first 32GB is allocted to NTFS and FAT32 . I am using Partion Magic Pro 7. This is on my main hard disk. I have a 2nd 20Gb hard disk that I use to play with so I wont mess up my hard disk.

Grové Erasmus 53 Cottage street E14 0AA, UK +44 7949 051547

M. Clark

18:55

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On Saturday 23 February 2002 11:17, you wrote:

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I did this with SuSE 7.0.. In order not to mess up the Master boot record on the hard disk I put LILO on a floppy. When I want to boot Linux I use the floppy to boot. Works well. There are ways to have the harddrive be multiboot but just didn't want to take the risk.

Art Fore

08:18

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My understanding from what I have read that MBR is not recommended for Win2K or NT, which Grove must have since it is NTFS. I also was not willing to take the chance with the MBR location of the Linux boot loader for Win2K. Art -----Original Message----- From: M. Clark [mailto:m.j.c@strato.net] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 8:56 AM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Linux partitioning On Saturday 23 February 2002 11:17, you wrote:

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I did this with SuSE 7.0.. In order not to mess up the Master boot record on the hard disk I put LILO on a floppy. When I want to boot Linux I use the floppy to boot. Works well. There are ways to have the harddrive be multiboot but just didn't want to take the risk.

You can have SuSE install LILO in the MBR. LILO then acts as a boot manager and you can select which OS you want to boot. I have this on my laptop and it works well. If things go awry and you can't book the "other" OS (unlikely), the MBR is backed up during the SuSE install. There is a command to reinstall it from the backup. This information is presented to you during the install. Go for the MBR; it's easy. -- Regards, Malcolm KMail l.3.1 -- KDE 2.2.2 -- SuSE Linux 7.3 Remove the dots to email me -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the archives at http://lists.suse.com

M. Clark

21:03

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On Saturday 23 February 2002 01:18, Art Fore wrote:

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My understanding from what I have read that MBR is not recommended for Win2K or NT, which Grove must have since it is NTFS. I also was not willing to take the chance with the MBR location of the Linux boot loader for Win2K.

My understanding is this: with NT, LILO can either be in the boot sector of the primary Linux partition (NT acts as boot manager, and thinks Linux is DOS), or in the MBR with the Linux partition spoofed as DOS within NT (LILO acts as boot manager). The SuSE Reference Manual details this. Win2K isn't mentioned AFAIK. Another alternative is to user a separate boot manager such as System Commander. I have had this on my desktop for years (long before I tried Linux), and it has proven completely reliable. Of course, it's an additional expense, but it does provide extensive recovery facilities in case something goes south. <g> Myself, I dislike booting with a floppy, so I'm willing to risk toying with the MBR. Others should do what they are comfortable with. Wonderful thing about the Penguin, you _really_ can have it your way.... Regards, Malcolm KMail l.3.1 -- KDE 2.2.2 -- SuSE Linux 7.3 Remove the dots to email me

Bryan Tyson

24 Feb 24 Feb

05:37

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On Saturday 23 February 2002 14:03, Malcolm wrote:

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My understanding from what I have read that MBR is not recommended for Win2K or NT, which Grove must have since it is NTFS. I also was not willing to take the chance with the MBR location of the Linux boot loader for Win2K. My understanding is this: with NT, LILO can either be in the boot sector of the primary Linux partition (NT acts as boot manager, and thinks Linux is DOS), or in the MBR with the Linux partition spoofed as DOS within NT (LILO acts as boot manager). The SuSE Reference Manual details this. Win2K isn't mentioned AFAIK.

Art Fore

19:40

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I have three machines using BootMagic and all work perfect, but still do not trust Windows enough to use Lilo in MBR. Art. -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Tyson [mailto:bryantyson@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 7:38 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Linux partitioning On Saturday 23 February 2002 14:03, Malcolm wrote:

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My understanding from what I have read that MBR is not recommended for Win2K or NT, which Grove must have since it is NTFS. I also was not willing to take the chance with the MBR location of the Linux boot loader for Win2K. My understanding is this: with NT, LILO can either be in the boot sector of the primary Linux partition (NT acts as boot manager, and thinks Linux is DOS), or in the MBR with the Linux partition spoofed as DOS within NT (LILO acts as boot manager). The SuSE Reference Manual details this. Win2K isn't mentioned AFAIK.

I have used SuSE dual-booting with Win2k and put lilo in the mbr and it worked great. *************************************************** Powered by SuSE Linux 7.3 Professional KDE 2.2.1 KMail 1.3.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net *************************************************** -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the archives at http://lists.suse.com

Christopher John Shaker

25 Feb 25 Feb

02:25

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Tried bootmagic, and it didn't work for a dual boot SuSE Linux 7.3 Pro/Win2K system. Had problems booting Linux from it. Letting SuSE Linux write LILO to the MBR worked great, however. Chris Shaker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Fore" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: RE: [SLE] Linux partitioning

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I have three machines using BootMagic and all work perfect, but still do not trust Windows enough to use Lilo in MBR.

Art.

-----Original Message----- From: Bryan Tyson [mailto:bryantyson@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 7:38 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Linux partitioning

On Saturday 23 February 2002 14:03, Malcolm wrote:

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My understanding from what I have read that MBR is not recommended for Win2K or NT, which Grove must have since it is NTFS. I also was not willing to take the chance with the MBR location of the Linux boot loader for Win2K. My understanding is this: with NT, LILO can either be in the boot sector of the primary Linux partition (NT acts as boot manager, and thinks Linux is DOS), or in the MBR with the Linux partition spoofed as DOS within NT (LILO acts as boot manager). The SuSE Reference Manual details this. Win2K isn't mentioned AFAIK.

I have used SuSE dual-booting with Win2k and put lilo in the mbr and it worked great.

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gilson redrick

05:07

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On Sunday 24 February 2002 12:40, you wrote:

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I have three machines using BootMagic and all work perfect, but still do not trust Windows enough to use Lilo in MBR.

To paraphrase what they say in the financial circles, "my past experience is no guarantee of your future results." This computer came with--not surprisingly!--Windows 98. Eventually, I added Linux, first Mandrake, then various incarnations of SuSE. Always with LILO, never (so far) with a hiccup. Do note, it's Win98; I have no experience whatsoever with the newer windows colors. Regards, gr (in sunny, warm Florida) **"In war, it counts not who's right, but who's left."** /Ann Landers/

Joshua Lee

24 Feb 24 Feb

11:59

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On Saturday 23 February 2002 01:18 am, Art Fore wrote:

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My understanding from what I have read that MBR is not recommended for Win2K or NT, which Grove must have since it is NTFS. I also was not willing to take the chance with the MBR location of the Linux boot loader for Win2K.

Maybe he has Windows XP, which is what I have here installed in an NTFS partition. (Windows XP Home Ed.) LILO works fine in the MBR for me, and Partition Magic 7 shrunk my NTFS partition without a problem. I needed to add the line "lba32" to my /etc/lilo.conf though because of Linux being installed in the last partition of a large hard drive. -- It's not that I'm afraid to die. I just don't want to be there when it happens. -- Woody Allen

Christopher John Shaker

25 Feb 25 Feb

02:05

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I've seen no such information recommending against dual booting Win2K. I've dual booted Win2K, for a long time, and am now dual booting WinXP, with no ill effects, using the SuSE 7.3 Pro lilo on 40 GB SCSI drive... Chris Shaker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Fore" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:18 PM Subject: RE: [SLE] Linux partitioning

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My understanding from what I have read that MBR is not recommended for Win2K or NT, which Grove must have since it is NTFS. I also was not willing to take the chance with the MBR location of the Linux boot loader for Win2K.

Art

-----Original Message----- From: M. Clark [mailto:m.j.c@strato.net] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 8:56 AM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Linux partitioning

On Saturday 23 February 2002 11:17, you wrote:

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I did this with SuSE 7.0.. In order not to mess up the Master boot record on the hard disk I put LILO on a floppy. When I want to boot Linux I use the floppy to boot. Works well. There are ways to have the harddrive be multiboot but just didn't want to take the risk.

You can have SuSE install LILO in the MBR. LILO then acts as a boot manager and you can select which OS you want to boot. I have this on my laptop and it works well.

If things go awry and you can't book the "other" OS (unlikely), the MBR is backed up during the SuSE install. There is a command to reinstall it from the backup. This information is presented to you during the install.

Go for the MBR; it's easy.

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Regards, Malcolm

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