[opensuse] Past Week - Tbird & Firefox not shutting down when you click 'Close' or 'Quit'
Guys, Over the past week or so, I have had terrible problems with thunderbird and firefox not quitting when you tell them to resulting in either and error message when you try and restart them telling you they are still running and you have to quit them first before you can restart them or just screwing up your session so that firefox and thunderbird unexpectedly start the next time you launch your desktop (kde set to save session on exit) I thought something with kde session manager was botched at first and I would just either edit or delete ksmserverrc, but then when I got the error about Firefox and Thunderbird needing to be shutdown before being restarted, things started to make a little more sense. For example, when thunderbird fails to shutdown, the process that continue to run are either one or more of: thunderbird thunderbird-bin thunderbird.sh Setting up a small script to check for them and kill them straightened this out, but that doesn't answer the question of what's broke or how to fix it. Has anyone else seen this behavior? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 21 April 2010 17.55:14, David C. Rankin wrote:
Guys,
Over the past week or so, I have had terrible problems with thunderbird and firefox not quitting when you tell them to resulting in either and error message when you try and restart them telling you they are still running and you have to quit them first before you can restart them or just screwing up your session so that firefox and thunderbird unexpectedly start the next time you launch your desktop (kde set to save session on exit)
I thought something with kde session manager was botched at first and I would just either edit or delete ksmserverrc, but then when I got the error about Firefox and Thunderbird needing to be shutdown before being restarted, things started to make a little more sense.
For example, when thunderbird fails to shutdown, the process that continue to run are either one or more of:
thunderbird thunderbird-bin thunderbird.sh
Setting up a small script to check for them and kill them straightened this out, but that doesn't answer the question of what's broke or how to fix it. Has anyone else seen this behavior?
I experience something similar with seamonkey (which is kind of firefox, too): I close the (one and only) browser window, seconds later I open it again and a message tells me, that seamonkey is already running. So I say ok to this message and open the browser again, and it starts normally. This morning after booting and logging in as user, two seamonkey windows opened, but I'm a 100% sure, that there was no seamonkey window open nor shown in the taskbar when I shutted down yesterday. I don't consider it "terrible", and I thought, I must have done something wrong, but now that you point to it, I just report, that I have seen similar... kind regards Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com my new blog: http://www.guapamania.com/wordpress/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 04/21/2010 11:05 AM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I experience something similar with seamonkey (which is kind of firefox, too):
I close the (one and only) browser window, seconds later I open it again and a message tells me, that seamonkey is already running. So I say ok to this message and open the browser again, and it starts normally.
This morning after booting and logging in as user, two seamonkey windows opened, but I'm a 100% sure, that there was no seamonkey window open nor shown in the taskbar when I shutted down yesterday.
I don't consider it "terrible", and I thought, I must have done something wrong, but now that you point to it, I just report, that I have seen similar...
kind regards
Daniel
Thanks Daniel, Sounds like seamonkey is affected as well. I agree, it's not terrible, but it is terribly annoying :p -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 04/21/2010 11:13 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 04/21/2010 11:05 AM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I experience something similar with seamonkey (which is kind of firefox, too):
I close the (one and only) browser window, seconds later I open it again and a message tells me, that seamonkey is already running. So I say ok to this message and open the browser again, and it starts normally.
This morning after booting and logging in as user, two seamonkey windows opened, but I'm a 100% sure, that there was no seamonkey window open nor shown in the taskbar when I shutted down yesterday.
I don't consider it "terrible", and I thought, I must have done something wrong, but now that you point to it, I just report, that I have seen similar...
kind regards
Daniel
Thanks Daniel,
Sounds like seamonkey is affected as well. I agree, it's not terrible, but it is terribly annoying :p
I just shut down thunderbird again and the following processes remained: 11:04 alchemy:~> ps ax | grep thunder 7614 ? S 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/thunderbird 7619 ? Sl 1:37 /usr/lib64/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 21/04/10 16:55, David C. Rankin wrote:
Guys,
Over the past week or so, I have had terrible problems with thunderbird and firefox not quitting when you tell them to resulting in either and error message when you try and restart them telling you they are still running and you have to quit them first before you can restart them or just screwing up your session so that firefox and thunderbird unexpectedly start the next time you launch your desktop (kde set to save session on exit)
I thought something with kde session manager was botched at first and I would just either edit or delete ksmserverrc, but then when I got the error about Firefox and Thunderbird needing to be shutdown before being restarted, things started to make a little more sense.
For example, when thunderbird fails to shutdown, the process that continue to run are either one or more of:
thunderbird thunderbird-bin thunderbird.sh
Setting up a small script to check for them and kill them straightened this out, but that doesn't answer the question of what's broke or how to fix it. Has anyone else seen this behavior?
This complaint is a regular visitor to the opensuse lists ... e.g. [opensuse] An annoying behaviour by latest version of Firefox in openSUSE http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2010-02/msg00633.html However it is a nebulous beast, and fingers are pointed in all directions with no certainty (see the linked thread, loads of different solutions to try). Some days later the problem often disappears just as mysteriously as it appears (as it did in the above case). Try using lsof and friends to figure out what files are still open by thunderbird / firefox / whatever. Can't guarantee that it will help solve anything though, based on previous experience. Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 04/21/2010 01:10 PM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
This complaint is a regular visitor to the opensuse lists ... e.g.
[opensuse] An annoying behaviour by latest version of Firefox in openSUSE http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2010-02/msg00633.html
However it is a nebulous beast, and fingers are pointed in all directions with no certainty (see the linked thread, loads of different solutions to try). Some days later the problem often disappears just as mysteriously as it appears (as it did in the above case).
Try using lsof and friends to figure out what files are still open by thunderbird / firefox / whatever. Can't guarantee that it will help solve anything though, based on previous experience.
Regards, Tejas
Tejas, My bet (in thunderbird's case) is someone at mozilla got the bright idea to continue indexing or compressing messages after shutdown which would explain the continued running processes, but failed to code a hook to tell the index function that when the user clicks on the tbird icon again, tbird was starting again so "quit indexing and open". I Firefox's case, I can't think of a logical reason unless it's some type of stray sqlite db maintenance that doesn't know when to stop. In either case, it is having very much -- unwanted -- consequenses. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 4/21/2010 8:11 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 04/21/2010 01:10 PM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
This complaint is a regular visitor to the opensuse lists ... e.g.
[opensuse] An annoying behaviour by latest version of Firefox in openSUSE http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2010-02/msg00633.html
However it is a nebulous beast, and fingers are pointed in all directions with no certainty (see the linked thread, loads of different solutions to try). Some days later the problem often disappears just as mysteriously as it appears (as it did in the above case).
Try using lsof and friends to figure out what files are still open by thunderbird / firefox / whatever. Can't guarantee that it will help solve anything though, based on previous experience.
Regards, Tejas
Tejas,
My bet (in thunderbird's case) is someone at mozilla got the bright idea to continue indexing or compressing messages after shutdown which would explain the continued running processes, but failed to code a hook to tell the index function that when the user clicks on the tbird icon again, tbird was starting again so "quit indexing and open".
I Firefox's case, I can't think of a logical reason unless it's some type of stray sqlite db maintenance that doesn't know when to stop.
In either case, it is having very much -- unwanted -- consequenses.
Hmmm I just saw this thread and have been chasing what may be the same problem but from a different angle... I run ThunderbirdPortable and FirefoxPortable under the PortableApps suite / wine. I run these off a USB portable disk drive and have been troubled by the fact that after closing TBPortable or FFPortable, and PortableApps itself, that I cannot dismount the USB disk drive. It still thinks the drive is in use.. LSOF has revealed that a lot of files are still opened, and ps -aux will sometimes show that a deprecated process for one of these apps is still running. I have even seen the wineserver app itself still running. Killing these processes has lead to file corruption (not surprisingly) and even after doing that, umount or the KDE device manager still will not allow me to dismount the drive. The PortableApps/TBirdPortable/FFPortable folks all pointed their fingers at Wine. The Wine folks are pointing their fingers at the kernel and told me to complain to my distro. I was about to when I saw this thread.. I wonder if we are all chasing the same bug? For me this is kinda serious because trying to dismount my USB drive, (usually by rebooting) has on a couple of occasions still led to file corruption issues. (I must use a FAT32 file system on the USB drive so I can also use it under Windoz.. sigh) Unlike David's post however, this has been going on for quite some time for me and is a real headache. Anyone got any suggestions on how I should proceed? I hate being a middle man in this fray... Marc...
My bet (in thunderbird's case) is someone at mozilla got the bright idea to continue indexing or compressing messages after shutdown which would explain the Hmmm I just saw this thread and have been chasing what may be the same
On 4/21/2010 8:11 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: problem but from a different angle... I run ThunderbirdPortable and Though I doubt I could offer a solution here, I am interested in this
On 4/25/2010 5:51 PM, Marc Chamberlin wrote: thread because I am beginning to think that this new Tbird indexing is a real pain. In addition to the file open problem mentioned here, I see that this indexing also steps on other Tbird operations. If I have Tbird set to automatically check for and download new messages, I get a lot of filter fail messages saying that the filter operation could not be done because another process is operating on that folder. If instead I wait for the indexing to finish and then download new messages, I don't have that problem. Damon Register -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 04/26/2010 07:22 AM, Damon Register wrote:
My bet (in thunderbird's case) is someone at mozilla got the bright idea to continue indexing or compressing messages after shutdown which would explain the Hmmm I just saw this thread and have been chasing what may be the same
On 4/21/2010 8:11 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: problem but from a different angle... I run ThunderbirdPortable and Though I doubt I could offer a solution here, I am interested in this
On 4/25/2010 5:51 PM, Marc Chamberlin wrote: thread because I am beginning to think that this new Tbird indexing is a real pain. In addition to the file open problem mentioned here, I see that this indexing also steps on other Tbird operations. If I have Tbird set to automatically check for and download new messages, I get a lot of filter fail messages saying that the filter operation could not be done because another process is operating on that folder. If instead I wait for the indexing to finish and then download new messages, I don't have that problem.
Damon Register
Damon, I think we are all talking about the same thing here. I don't know if mozilla know of the issues yet. I'll get a report on file, but it won't be until the end of the week. I have a trial kicking off at 8:00 tomorrow and don't have the time tonight. If anyone else has a mozilla account and could collect the info from this thread and file it, that would be helpful :p -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2010-04-26 14:22, Damon Register wrote:
Though I doubt I could offer a solution here, I am interested in this thread because I am beginning to think that this new Tbird indexing is a real pain.
Content indexing (similar to what beagle does) can be disabled. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iF4EAREIAAYFAkvWpo4ACgkQja8UbcUWM1wnFQD/WHYD8cQ0KNkX5vBmRISQ1Kir 5A8usZ8jTDYLXGoM5mYA/0Dl9TsEuW6T87628Mllf5AKCrRqt65m3y5NgL6SUITW =OK9o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 4/27/2010 4:55 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Content indexing (similar to what beagle does) can be disabled.
I thought it might but at first I couldn't find it. After seeing your message, I looked again and after checking Mozilla support, I found the checkbox under Tools > Options > Advanced > General > Enable Global Search and Indexer Now Thunderbird runs a lot better for me. I haven't run into that shutdown problem but I wonder if those who have could try disabling the indexing and see if the problem goes away. Damon Register -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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