[opensuse] A troubling behavior of Thunderbird
Earlier today I retrieved mail and found about ten incoming messages. I began to answer one of these, which took about a half hour (long thoughtful reply), and then noticed that there was only one remaining message in the inbox -- one that had arrived during the half hour, the others having vanished. While I stared at the screen aghast, the one remaining also evaporated before my eyes -- while my hands were nowhere near mouse or keyboard, so not on my initiative. Since I did not set such a behavior (in the inbox, of all places) that may be the default behavior. A week or so ago, I thought something of the sort had happened, but dismissed the idea as a failure of my own memory, since nobody in his right mind would program such a default. Now I've seen it. TBird is now shut down, until I can find the setting that does it, or permanently, whichever happens first. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 07/26/2011 03:51 PM, Stan Goodman wrote:
Earlier today I retrieved mail and found about ten incoming messages. I began to answer one of these, which took about a half hour (long thoughtful reply), and then noticed that there was only one remaining message in the inbox -- one that had arrived during the half hour, the others having vanished. While I stared at the screen aghast, the one remaining also evaporated before my eyes -- while my hands were nowhere near mouse or keyboard, so not on my initiative.
Since I did not set such a behavior (in the inbox, of all places) that may be the default behavior.
A week or so ago, I thought something of the sort had happened, but dismissed the idea as a failure of my own memory, since nobody in his right mind would program such a default. Now I've seen it.
TBird is now shut down, until I can find the setting that does it, or permanently, whichever happens first.
I'm using version 3.1.11 on PCLOS, and I have not seen this problem. I'm not sure if this is the latest version, but when something like this complains about updating, I do so. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 7/26/2011 3:51 PM, Stan Goodman wrote:
Earlier today I retrieved mail and found about ten incoming messages. I began to answer one of these, which took about a half hour (long thoughtful reply), and then noticed that there was only one remaining message in the inbox -- one that had arrived during the half hour, the others having vanished. While I stared at the screen aghast, the one remaining also evaporated before my eyes -- while my hands were nowhere near mouse or keyboard, so not on my initiative.
Since I did not set such a behavior (in the inbox, of all places) that may be the default behavior.
A week or so ago, I thought something of the sort had happened, but dismissed the idea as a failure of my own memory, since nobody in his right mind would program such a default. Now I've seen it.
TBird is now shut down, until I can find the setting that does it, or permanently, whichever happens first.
Do you by chance have your account syncing via IMAP with other devices? -Matt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 07/26/2011 11:07 PM, Matt Hayes wrote:
On 7/26/2011 3:51 PM, Stan Goodman wrote:
Earlier today I retrieved mail and found about ten incoming messages. I began to answer one of these, which took about a half hour (long thoughtful reply), and then noticed that there was only one remaining message in the inbox -- one that had arrived during the half hour, the others having vanished. While I stared at the screen aghast, the one remaining also evaporated before my eyes -- while my hands were nowhere near mouse or keyboard, so not on my initiative.
Since I did not set such a behavior (in the inbox, of all places) that may be the default behavior.
A week or so ago, I thought something of the sort had happened, but dismissed the idea as a failure of my own memory, since nobody in his right mind would program such a default. Now I've seen it.
TBird is now shut down, until I can find the setting that does it, or permanently, whichever happens first.
First thing, I forgot to mention that this is TB v5.0.4.
Do you by chance have your account syncing via IMAP with other devices?
It is an IMAP account, but there is no other machine running. I have only two machines, and the other is suspended.
-Matt
N -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 07/27/2011 05:51 AM, Stan Goodman wrote:
Earlier today I retrieved mail and found about ten incoming messages. I began to answer one of these, which took about a half hour (long thoughtful reply), and then noticed that there was only one remaining message in the inbox -- one that had arrived during the half hour, the others having vanished. While I stared at the screen aghast, the one remaining also evaporated before my eyes -- while my hands were nowhere near mouse or keyboard, so not on my initiative.
Since I did not set such a behavior (in the inbox, of all places) that may be the default behavior.
A week or so ago, I thought something of the sort had happened, but dismissed the idea as a failure of my own memory, since nobody in his right mind would program such a default. Now I've seen it.
TBird is now shut down, until I can find the setting that does it, or permanently, whichever happens first.
Most unusual. I have never struck this. Are the settings in Preferences/Advanced/Reading and Display set correctly? BC -- Paradise is like Hell and neither is too far from you because both are creations of your mind and therefore both are already inside you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Earlier today I retrieved mail and found about ten incoming messages. I began to answer one of these, which took about a half hour (long thoughtful reply), and then noticed that there was only one remaining message in the inbox -- one that had arrived during the half hour, the others having vanished. While I stared at the screen aghast, the one remaining also evaporated before my eyes -- while my hands were nowhere near mouse or keyboard, so not on my initiative.
I get this behaviour when fetchmail is running. Perhaps it could also happen if you have filters set to move matching emails to another folder, either in thunderbird or in the server. Otherwise, there is another machine with the same account configured. Or somebody else is accessing your account. You could also have kmail checking for email. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4v2DEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XkwgCbBMt3+JuvV2rx9Eyxpii65WXd BmkAn3Ns5TvD6Im97fxSal/sd7Rb0EAw =2cLN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 07/27/2011 12:19 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2011-07-26 21:51, Stan Goodman wrote:
Earlier today I retrieved mail and found about ten incoming messages. I began to answer one of these, which took about a half hour (long thoughtful reply), and then noticed that there was only one remaining message in the inbox -- one that had arrived during the half hour, the others having vanished. While I stared at the screen aghast, the one remaining also evaporated before my eyes -- while my hands were nowhere near mouse or keyboard, so not on my initiative. I get this behaviour when fetchmail is running. Perhaps it could also happen if you have filters set to move matching emails to another folder, either in thunderbird or in the server.
Otherwise, there is another machine with the same account configured. Or somebody else is accessing your account.
You could also have kmail checking for email. The problem turned out to be in hardware.
The laptop machine that was assumed to be suspended was, in fact, active. The way I put that machine into suspended state is just to close the cover; but the switch that detects that the cover is closed occasionally doesn't notice that.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
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-- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 7/27/2011 9:04 AM, Stan Goodman wrote:
On 07/27/2011 12:19 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2011-07-26 21:51, Stan Goodman wrote:
Earlier today I retrieved mail and found about ten incoming messages. I began to answer one of these, which took about a half hour (long thoughtful reply), and then noticed that there was only one remaining message in the inbox -- one that had arrived during the half hour, the others having vanished. While I stared at the screen aghast, the one remaining also evaporated before my eyes -- while my hands were nowhere near mouse or keyboard, so not on my initiative. I get this behaviour when fetchmail is running. Perhaps it could also happen if you have filters set to move matching emails to another folder, either in thunderbird or in the server.
Otherwise, there is another machine with the same account configured. Or somebody else is accessing your account.
You could also have kmail checking for email. The problem turned out to be in hardware.
The laptop machine that was assumed to be suspended was, in fact, active. The way I put that machine into suspended state is just to close the cover; but the switch that detects that the cover is closed occasionally doesn't notice that.
If you ask me, the account is behaving like one of those machines is popping it, rather than using imap. Just because the laptop was idling does not mean you imap mail should vanish. That's the beauty of imap, something is not marked read, or deleted until someone does it manually. But mix pop into that and all bets are off. Stuff just goes poof, and you are never sure which machine has it. Also if you have a smartphone those two are sometimes guilty of popping the mail. Any mail you read from multiple machines should use imap only. If possible disable pop on the account. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 07/27/2011 08:45 PM, John Andersen wrote:
On 7/27/2011 9:04 AM, Stan Goodman wrote:
On 07/27/2011 12:19 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2011-07-26 21:51, Stan Goodman wrote:
Earlier today I retrieved mail and found about ten incoming messages. I began to answer one of these, which took about a half hour (long thoughtful reply), and then noticed that there was only one remaining message in the inbox -- one that had arrived during the half hour, the others having vanished. While I stared at the screen aghast, the one remaining also evaporated before my eyes -- while my hands were nowhere near mouse or keyboard, so not on my initiative. I get this behaviour when fetchmail is running. Perhaps it could also happen if you have filters set to move matching emails to another folder, either in thunderbird or in the server.
Otherwise, there is another machine with the same account configured. Or somebody else is accessing your account.
You could also have kmail checking for email. The problem turned out to be in hardware.
The laptop machine that was assumed to be suspended was, in fact, active. The way I put that machine into suspended state is just to close the cover; but the switch that detects that the cover is closed occasionally doesn't notice that.
If you ask me, the account is behaving like one of those machines is popping it, rather than using imap. Just because the laptop was idling does not mean you imap mail should vanish. That's the beauty of imap, something is not marked read, or deleted until someone does it manually.
But mix pop into that and all bets are off. Stuff just goes poof, and you are never sure which machine has it. Also if you have a smartphone those two are sometimes guilty of popping the mail.
Any mail you read from multiple machines should use imap only. If possible disable pop on the account. Also, be sure that the account settings for "Synchronization & Storage" do _not_ have a check mark at "Keep messages for this account on this computer" on all computers with that account configured. I had this cleared on one computer and set on another, and I experienced exactly what you described of having messages disappear from the inbox on the computer with the setting not checked.
Jim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 07/28/2011 07:52 AM, Jim Cunning wrote:
On 07/27/2011 08:45 PM, John Andersen wrote:
On 07/27/2011 12:19 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2011-07-26 21:51, Stan Goodman wrote:
Earlier today I retrieved mail and found about ten incoming messages. I began to answer one of these, which took about a half hour (long thoughtful reply), and then noticed that there was only one remaining message in the inbox -- one that had arrived during the half hour, the others having vanished. While I stared at the screen aghast, the one remaining also evaporated before my eyes -- while my hands were nowhere near mouse or keyboard, so not on my initiative. I get this behaviour when fetchmail is running. Perhaps it could also happen if you have filters set to move matching emails to another folder, either in thunderbird or in the server.
Otherwise, there is another machine with the same account configured. Or somebody else is accessing your account.
You could also have kmail checking for email. The problem turned out to be in hardware.
The laptop machine that was assumed to be suspended was, in fact, active. The way I put that machine into suspended state is just to close the cover; but the switch that detects that the cover is closed occasionally doesn't notice that. If you ask me, the account is behaving like one of those machines is
On 7/27/2011 9:04 AM, Stan Goodman wrote: popping it, rather than using imap. Just because the laptop was idling does not mean you imap mail should vanish. That's the beauty of imap, something is not marked read, or deleted until someone does it manually.
But mix pop into that and all bets are off. Stuff just goes poof, and you are never sure which machine has it. Also if you have a smartphone those two are sometimes guilty of popping the mail.
Any mail you read from multiple machines should use imap only. If possible disable pop on the account. Also, be sure that the account settings for "Synchronization& Storage" do _not_ have a check mark at "Keep messages for this account on this computer" on all computers with that account configured. I had this cleared on one computer and set on another, and I experienced exactly what you described of having messages disappear from the inbox on the computer with the setting not checked.
Jim
Thanks to you both. Those changes will help avoid continued erratic behavior. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 28-07-11 11:21, Stan Goodman wrote: ...
Thanks to you both. Those changes will help avoid continued erratic behavior.
Hi, I once "lost" all my messages. Turned out I had only unread messages visible. So check this also. AFAIK syncing only keeps copies of your messages on your computer. That way you could read them off-line. I could be wrong though. Regards, Koenraad Lelong. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-07-28 05:45, John Andersen wrote:
If you ask me, the account is behaving like one of those machines is popping it, rather than using imap.
Not necessarily. I use imap, read it with thunderbird, then I fetch it with fetchmail to store it locally, because the ISP allows onlly a limited amount of email. Ie, it "vanishes" fetching with imap, intentionally. It would be the same as if create a filter in th or kmail that moves mail from the input box to a local box, and acts every 10 minutes. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4xQLIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UN7gCfZJKcYUfOiw28iv86TXGA31iG kLAAn0mvY334t1k7VhlWyXaWEt8/qH2l =MeVy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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