[opensuse] What happened to the Partitioner
Why has the Partioner been changed to make it so hard to adjust partition sizes? In previous versions of OpenSUSE, when creating a partition, it was easy to see and modify the partition size or start/end cylinders. Now, it appears you have to create a partition and if you want to change it, you have to delete and then recreate it. Even if you specify start/stop cylinders, you can't later see how many there are. Why are we supposed to operate blind in this area? We shouldn't have to guess or use trial & error to get the desired partition sizes. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 21 December 2008 09:48:10 pm James Knott wrote:
Why has the Partioner been changed to make it so hard to adjust partition sizes? In previous versions of OpenSUSE, when creating a partition, it was easy to see and modify the partition size or start/end cylinders. Now, it appears you have to create a partition and if you want to change it, you have to delete and then recreate it. Even if you specify start/stop cylinders, you can't later see how many there are. Why are we supposed to operate blind in this area? We shouldn't have to guess or use trial & error to get the desired partition sizes.
The old story James. They had to make it better !! Surprised me also when I went to install 11.1. Took me half an hour to figure out the expert partitoning which used to be so intuitive, while muttering to myself, "why did they do that?" And speaking of "blind", I am visually impaired Where do they come up with the colors they use in the menu's? Blues and greens on black which are almost impossibe for me to see. Must be all young people with good eyesight designing that stuff. Not much thought given to accessability. There should be a tester just for that nonsense. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Bob S wrote:
On Sunday 21 December 2008 09:48:10 pm James Knott wrote:
Why has the Partioner been changed to make it so hard to adjust partition sizes? In previous versions of OpenSUSE, when creating a partition, it was easy to see and modify the partition size or start/end cylinders. Now, it appears you have to create a partition and if you want to change it, you have to delete and then recreate it. Even if you specify start/stop cylinders, you can't later see how many there are. Why are we supposed to operate blind in this area? We shouldn't have to guess or use trial & error to get the desired partition sizes.
The old story James. They had to make it better !! Surprised me also when I went to install 11.1. Took me half an hour to figure out the expert partitoning which used to be so intuitive, while muttering to myself, "why did they do that?"
And speaking of "blind", I am visually impaired Where do they come up with the colors they use in the menu's? Blues and greens on black which are almost impossibe for me to see. Must be all young people with good eyesight designing that stuff. Not much thought given to accessability. There should be a tester just for that nonsense.
Bob S
That partitioner stopped one installation cold. I have a Netfinity server, with 4 drives. I set them up in a RAID 5 array and then LVM on top of the RAID to create the various partitions. I couldn't see how to create the LVM on RAID. That may be a show stopper for a lot of business users. The alternative is to create a lot of individual raids, for the various partitions and that is a *LOT* of work. I'll give it another try soon, but I'm not optimistic. There is also the issue of Wake on Lan no longer working. I entered that in Bugzilla, but no response yet. Then there's the problem with XDMCP not allowing a 11.0 system to access 11.1. I also put that in Bugzilla, but only got a couple of questions about what "unresponsive" keyboard means and the level of questioning was an insult to my intelligence. If things don't improve, 11.1 may be the one distro I skip. Also, your issue is one example of someone considering "eye candy" to be more important than function, which is my beef with a lot of things these days, particularly KDE 4. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Why has the Partioner been changed to make it so hard to adjust partition sizes? In previous versions of OpenSUSE, when creating a partition, it was easy to see and modify the partition size or start/end cylinders. Now, it appears you have to create a partition and if you want to change it, you have to delete and then recreate it. Even if you specify start/stop cylinders, you can't later see how many there are. Why are we supposed to operate blind in this area? We shouldn't have to guess or use trial & error to get the desired partition sizes.
The old story James. They had to make it better !! Surprised me also when I went to install 11.1. Took me half an hour to figure out the expert partitoning which used to be so intuitive, while muttering to myself, "why did they do that?"
Phew, it isn't just me. At first glance it looks nice, but then you try to adjust things and it becomes an exercise in counting how many clicks it takes not to edit and resize a partition. :-( Maybe time to gather some feedback and open a bug report? Does anyone else agree that the new partitioner needs some rethinking? C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton wrote:
Why has the Partioner been changed to make it so hard to adjust partition sizes? In previous versions of OpenSUSE, when creating a partition, it was easy to see and modify the partition size or start/end cylinders. Now, it appears you have to create a partition and if you want to change it, you have to delete and then recreate it. Even if you specify start/stop cylinders, you can't later see how many there are. Why are we supposed to operate blind in this area? We shouldn't have to guess or use trial & error to get the desired partition sizes.
The old story James. They had to make it better !! Surprised me also when I went to install 11.1. Took me half an hour to figure out the expert partitoning which used to be so intuitive, while muttering to myself, "why did they do that?"
Phew, it isn't just me. At first glance it looks nice, but then you try to adjust things and it becomes an exercise in counting how many clicks it takes not to edit and resize a partition. :-(
Maybe time to gather some feedback and open a bug report? Does anyone else agree that the new partitioner needs some rethinking?
C.
At the moment, it needs to be replaced by the old one, which actually works. Why is it some people feel the need to "improve" things, until they break? -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2008-12-24 at 13:25 +0100, Clayton wrote:
Why has the Partioner been changed to make it so hard to adjust partition sizes? In previous versions of OpenSUSE, when creating a partition, it was easy to see and modify the partition size or start/end cylinders. Now, it appears you have to create a partition and if you want to change it, you have to delete and then recreate it. Even if you specify start/stop cylinders, you can't later see how many there are. Why are we supposed to operate blind in this area? We shouldn't have to guess or use trial & error to get the desired partition sizes.
The old story James. They had to make it better !! Surprised me also when I went to install 11.1. Took me half an hour to figure out the expert partitoning which used to be so intuitive, while muttering to myself, "why did they do that?"
Phew, it isn't just me. At first glance it looks nice, but then you try to adjust things and it becomes an exercise in counting how many clicks it takes not to edit and resize a partition. :-(
Maybe time to gather some feedback and open a bug report? Does anyone else agree that the new partitioner needs some rethinking? Well, the good thing is that one can define nfs-mountpoint....
otoh, try to define 8 mountpoint, using LVM in ncurses.... Too many times hitting the (shift)tab-key One major advantage would be if the short-cut-keys (alt-something) would be identical in yast and yast2 (not only here) hw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton wrote:
Why has the Partioner been changed to make it so hard to adjust partition sizes? In previous versions of OpenSUSE, when creating a partition, it was easy to see and modify the partition size or start/end cylinders. Now, it appears you have to create a partition and if you want to change it, you have to delete and then recreate it. Even if you specify start/stop cylinders, you can't later see how many there are. Why are we supposed to operate blind in this area? We shouldn't have to guess or use trial & error to get the desired partition sizes.
The old story James. They had to make it better !! Surprised me also when I went to install 11.1. Took me half an hour to figure out the expert partitoning which used to be so intuitive, while muttering to myself, "why did they do that?"
Phew, it isn't just me. At first glance it looks nice, but then you try to adjust things and it becomes an exercise in counting how many clicks it takes not to edit and resize a partition. :-(
Maybe time to gather some feedback and open a bug report? Does anyone else agree that the new partitioner needs some rethinking?
C.
YES! Ciao. -- Be nice to people on your way up - you'll see the same people on your way down. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2008-12-23 at 17:20 -0500, Bob S wrote:
And speaking of "blind", I am visually impaired Where do they come up with the colors they use in the menu's? Blues and greens on black which are almost impossibe for me to see. Must be all young people with good eyesight designing that stuff. Not much thought given to accessability. There should be a tester just for that nonsense.
I think you should write a bugzilla precisely on that. Or two: one for the partitioner, about the colors, and another, a general enhancement request that they take into consideration the needs of the visually impaired. Perhaps they could create a configuration file so that if it exists applications use a diferent scheme easier on sight. If you just complain here, they will not see it. Another thing, it is generally a good idea to at least track the factory list, because the developer of the new partitioner asked there for the application to be tested. If those that tested it (I did) didn't find and report back the problems, well, that's what you get on the final product. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2008-09/msg00165.html Subject: [opensuse-factory] New YaST partitioner in Factory Even if you don't install factory, there was a "mockup" where you could see what was intended: http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/9/95/Partitioner_pres16.pdf - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklSLscACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WbJwCcDlVHkPhUL7iRgqK6N88CLD9U TZEAn0y64C28Kb57LJ6eHUPCnxDLH4W3 =DBwW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. schreef:
On Tuesday, 2008-12-23 at 17:20 -0500, Bob S wrote:
And speaking of "blind", I am visually impaired Where do they come up with the colors they use in the menu's? Blues and greens on black which are almost impossibe for me to see. Must be all young people with good eyesight designing that stuff. Not much thought given to accessability. There should be a tester just for that nonsense.
I think you should write a bugzilla precisely on that. Or two: one for the partitioner, about the colors, and another, a general enhancement request that they take into consideration the needs of the visually impaired. Perhaps they could create a configuration file so that if it exists applications use a diferent scheme easier on sight.
If you just complain here, they will not see it.
Another thing, it is generally a good idea to at least track the factory list, because the developer of the new partitioner asked there for the application to be tested. If those that tested it (I did) didn't find and report back the problems, well, that's what you get on the final product.
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2008-09/msg00165.html
Subject: [opensuse-factory] New YaST partitioner in Factory
Even if you don't install factory, there was a "mockup" where you could see what was intended:
http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/9/95/Partitioner_pres16.pdf
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
There were so many bugs that it got pushed to the back, besides that, you have to reinstall with a cd or dvd, which takes lots of time to download, and with burner-access problems i like to update right away..... Sometimes it is just too much... This is not a very lucky release, RC1 looked like an Alpha3... But: There will be other releases, and i heared that the cycle is going to be 9 months, which will give an extra 3 months to test and debug. Personaly, i realy think it was certainly needed for this one.. Regarding all the problems, it hasn't even become that bad.. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.27.8-1-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3) "release 4.18" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 01:44:53PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
And speaking of "blind", I am visually impaired Where do they come up with the colors they use in the menu's? Blues and greens on black which are almost impossibe for me to see. Must be all young people with good eyesight designing that stuff. Not much thought given to accessability. There should be a tester just for that nonsense.
I think you should write a bugzilla precisely on that.
No, I am _not_ going to write a bugzilla on _that_. Guess why? Because it is so obvious! If none of the core developers see the problem immediately, there's no hope for any improvement (IMHO), thus there's no point in writing a bugzilla. BTW: I am not (yet) visually impaired.
Another thing, it is generally a good idea to at least track the factory list, because the developer of the new partitioner asked there for the application to be tested.
Sorry, but I am _not_ going to test the partitioner every now and then! I consider playing games with the partitioner is like Russian roulette. Since I was using suse for about 10..15 years, I do _not_ expect such a basic component to be "fixed" in a way that makes it almost unusable.
If those that tested it (I did) didn't find and report back the problems, well, that's what you get on the final product.
Please, explain why to "fix" an application that was never broken at all? Why not just "let it be"? It was very good usable in the last couple of years. So why do you want to "fix" it? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2008/12/25 23:12 (GMT+0100) Josef Wolf composed:
Why not just "let it be"? It was very good usable in the last couple of years. So why do you want to "fix" it?
Programmers have to do something with the time they spend not fixing things that need fixing. ;-) -- "Unless the Lord builds the house, its builders labor in vain." Psalm 127:1 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2008/12/25 23:12 (GMT+0100) Josef Wolf composed:
Why not just "let it be"? It was very good usable in the last couple of years. So why do you want to "fix" it?
Programmers have to do something with the time they spend not fixing things that need fixing. ;-)
As I recall KMahjong's was one of the first things converted. They could have played with that. ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Josef Wolf wrote:
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 01:44:53PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
And speaking of "blind", I am visually impaired Where do they come up with the colors they use in the menu's? Blues and greens on black which are almost impossibe for me to see. Must be all young people with good eyesight designing that stuff. Not much thought given to accessability. There should be a tester just for that nonsense.
I think you should write a bugzilla precisely on that.
No, I am _not_ going to write a bugzilla on _that_. Guess why? Because it is so obvious! If none of the core developers see the problem immediately, there's no hope for any improvement (IMHO), thus there's no point in writing a bugzilla.
BTW: I am not (yet) visually impaired.
Try using the "improved" partitioner for a while then. ;-) On a more serious note, if partitioner and KDE 4 are the future of OpenSUSE or Linux, we've got some very dark days ahead of us. Linux has been known as a quality, functional system, that leaves Windows in the dust. If this trend continues, I'm afraid that's over. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2008-12-25 at 23:12 +0100, Josef Wolf wrote:
I think you should write a bugzilla precisely on that.
No, I am _not_ going to write a bugzilla on _that_. Guess why? Because it is so obvious! If none of the core developers see the problem immediately, there's no hope for any improvement (IMHO), thus there's no point in writing a bugzilla.
It may be obvious to you, not to them. If nobody writes a bugzilla, then the software /is/ perfect, and you will have to wait for the next generation of programmers to change it again. But ranting here will not make it change. You can shout to your heart content, you will be ignored. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklUMRoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WMZACeJmg4ggtPP4x19I+SquZz7Jxd teAAnR29zjaLd6ZtAXk17VvyQFQ86WuS =opqQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Josef Wolf schreef:
Please, explain why to "fix" an application that was never broken at all?
Why not just "let it be"? It was very good usable in the last couple of years. So why do you want to "fix" it?
Because it was not allright at all.. But that does not mean it is allright the first run it has been changed. Write some code, and see if it gets better the way you want it? -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.27.8-1-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3) "release 4.18" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Oddball wrote:
Josef Wolf schreef:
Please, explain why to "fix" an application that was never broken at all?
Why not just "let it be"? It was very good usable in the last couple of years. So why do you want to "fix" it?
Because it was not allright at all.. But that does not mean it is allright the first run it has been changed. Write some code, and see if it gets better the way you want it?
In 11.0, when I set up a RAID array on my server, I set up the RAID first and then LVM on top of the RAID, to create the various partitions. When I tried to do the same in 11.1 I couldn't set up that LVM on RAID. So here's something that was in 11.0 and necessary, if you're using multiple partitions on RAID and removed it in 11.1. I have no idea if the partitioner will support it after the install is complete, as I didn't get that far. Also, when setting up the partitions in 11.1, you can't see how many cylinders a partition uses, even though you can specify how many. Why is this? When you're setting up a complex partitioning scheme. You want to know how many cylinders you're using. On top of this, there's that horrible colour scheme. While I can work with it, someone else said that due to vision problems, they couldn't use it. There are some idiots who think such a colour scheme is "cool", but it's not cool if you're visually impaired and cannot read it. I have seen some web sites that are also difficult to read because of the "cool" colour schemes. However, while someone may want their desktop to look that way, the installation must be clear for everyone and those colours are simply a very bad choice. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
Oddball wrote:
Josef Wolf schreef:
Please, explain why to "fix" an application that was never broken at all?
Why not just "let it be"? It was very good usable in the last couple of years. So why do you want to "fix" it?
Because it was not allright at all.. But that does not mean it is allright the first run it has been changed. Write some code, and see if it gets better the way you want it?
In 11.0, when I set up a RAID array on my server, I set up the RAID first and then LVM on top of the RAID, to create the various partitions. When I tried to do the same in 11.1 I couldn't set up that LVM on RAID. So here's something that was in 11.0 and necessary, if you're using multiple partitions on RAID and removed it in 11.1. I have no idea if the partitioner will support it after the install is complete, as I didn't get that far. Also, when setting up the partitions in 11.1, you can't see how many cylinders a partition uses, even though you can specify how many. Why is this? When you're setting up a complex partitioning scheme. You want to know how many cylinders you're using. On top of this, there's that horrible colour scheme. While I can work with it, someone else said that due to vision problems, they couldn't use it. There are some idiots who think such a colour scheme is "cool", but it's not cool if you're visually impaired and cannot read it. I have seen some web sites that are also difficult to read because of the "cool" colour schemes. However, while someone may want their desktop to look that way, the installation must be clear for everyone and those colours are simply a very bad choice.
I have gone back to that partitioner and was able to create LVM on RAID, so that issue is not there. However, I still have concerns about the choice of colours, as it does make it hard for some to see what they're doing. Now, to reinstall 11.0 on that server. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
A bug was opened on the usability of the partitioner in September. Those of us that didn't like it were told most feedback had been positive and the bug was eventually closed. Maybe if enough people complain, the current travesty will be redesigned. I can only hope :) Here's the bug: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=423663 Nkoli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
2008/12/26 Josef Wolf
And speaking of "blind", I am visually impaired Where do they come up with the colors they use in the menu's? Blues and greens on black which are almost impossibe for me to see. Must be all young people with good eyesight designing that stuff. Not much thought given to accessability. There should be a tester just for that nonsense.
I think you should write a bugzilla precisely on that.
No, I am _not_ going to write a bugzilla on _that_. Guess why? Because it is so obvious!
No, it is not obvious. File that bug report.
If none of the core developers see the problem immediately, there's no hope for any improvement (IMHO), thus there's no point in writing a bugzilla.
It will get forwarded to the dev responsible.
BTW: I am not (yet) visually impaired.
Another thing, it is generally a good idea to at least track the factory list, because the developer of the new partitioner asked there for the application to be tested.
Sorry, but I am _not_ going to test the partitioner every now and then!
I consider playing games with the partitioner is like Russian roulette.
Since I was using suse for about 10..15 years, I do _not_ expect such a basic component to be "fixed" in a way that makes it almost unusable.
It is not only the things that you _expect_ that will be changed. Everything will be. When you don't like a change, speak up (this is a community distro). When need be, file a bug.
If those that tested it (I did) didn't find and report back the problems, well, that's what you get on the final product.
Please, explain why to "fix" an application that was never broken at all?
Why not just "let it be"? It was very good usable in the last couple of years. So why do you want to "fix" it?
That is a very naive question. All code will be revisited and changed. Well, with the possible exception of slackware! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
On Wednesday 24 December 2008 07:44:53 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Tuesday, 2008-12-23 at 17:20 -0500, Bob S wrote:
And speaking of "blind", I am visually impaired Where do they come up with the colors they use in the menu's? Blues and greens on black which are almost impossibe for me to see. Must be all young people with good eyesight designing that stuff. Not much thought given to accessability. There should be a tester just for that nonsense.
I think you should write a bugzilla precisely on that. Or two: one for the partitioner, about the colors, and another, a general enhancement request that they take into consideration the needs of the visually impaired. Perhaps they could create a configuration file so that if it exists applications use a diferent scheme easier on sight.
Hello Carlos, After your admonishment, I decided to investigate further. I found that the partitioner found in the regular Yast does not have the problems I described. That is certainly usable although quite different in form from the old one What I was describing re: unreadable colors was on the installation disk. An absolute horror for someone who is visually impaired. Why they are different in form but not functionability is unknown to me. But I will file an enhancement request to please think about usability before they plunge ahead and do their eye candy thing. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2008-12-25 at 20:50 -0500, Bob S wrote:
On Wednesday 24 December 2008 07:44:53 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Tuesday, 2008-12-23 at 17:20 -0500, Bob S wrote:
And speaking of "blind", I am visually impaired Where do they come up with the colors they use in the menu's? Blues and greens on black which are almost impossibe for me to see. Must be all young people with good eyesight designing that stuff. Not much thought given to accessability. There should be a tester just for that nonsense.
I think you should write a bugzilla precisely on that. Or two: one for the partitioner, about the colors, and another, a general enhancement request that they take into consideration the needs of the visually impaired. Perhaps they could create a configuration file so that if it exists applications use a diferent scheme easier on sight.
Hello Carlos,
After your admonishment, I decided to investigate further. I found that the partitioner found in the regular Yast does not have the problems I described. That is certainly usable although quite different in form from the old one
Yes, it is quite different. The engine behind should be the same, but the interface was changed because they needed better functionality for lvm and raid, they said. I tried it and found it... dunno, harder to use, but perhaps because I 'm used to the old one. After a while I got it to do what I wanted: it has a feature to read the fstab file in any partition that I found very usefull. But about the colors, I certainly don't know. I can't figure out well the needs of people with sight dificulties, and the only way is for those people to stay in touch with factory. This is a volunteer thing, they need people to test things: if nobody complains, then it is okay.
What I was describing re: unreadable colors was on the installation disk. An absolute horror for someone who is visually impaired. Why they are different in form but not functionability is unknown to me.
But I will file an enhancement request to please think about usability before they plunge ahead and do their eye candy thing.
That's the way to go :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklU44AACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UrGgCff5CTnvi1cPnEYFKkMKyMyjaZ 4PIAn0oytxrGgQtVZxi4xN3ka1YKr8tI =TjUr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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