[opensuse] Hotel connection problem
Hi, I am at a hotel in China where I can't get onto the internet with linux. I have previously written about my steps to get onto the internet at hotels here: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2008-07/msg00503.html None of these tricks are working here, the last step where I ask if the Internet help people can see my computer and allow it on the internet is not possible because of a language barrier. I am connected with a cable connection via ethernet, and can get linux to connect to the hotel network via knetwork manager. But the browser will not connect to the internet when I launch a browser. I have tried to do this with IE6 (IEs4linux), Firefox, Opera, and Konqueror. When I launch the browser in Windows, I get the hotel login screen where one elects to pay money for the internet. When I launch a browser in Opensuse, I get no connection to anything, even though the knetworkmanager icon shows that I am connected to the network. I have manually set the IP numbers for the connection with the hotel IT guy, but we still had the same result; no connection with linux. Does anyone have any advice how I may overcome this problem? Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Mark Misulich wrote:
Hi, I am at a hotel in China where I can't get onto the internet with linux. [snip] I am connected with a cable connection via ethernet, and can get linux to connect to the hotel network via knetwork manager.
So you do have a connection then. Do you have name resolution working? Try "dig www.opensuse.org" from the command line. Then try "ping www.opensuse.org". If both of those work, you're on-line. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dne četrtek 16 april 2009 ob 08:49:53 je Per Jessen napisal(a):
Mark Misulich wrote:
Hi, I am at a hotel in China where I can't get onto the internet with linux. [snip] I am connected with a cable connection via ethernet, and can get linux to connect to the hotel network via knetwork manager.
So you do have a connection then. Do you have name resolution working? Try "dig www.opensuse.org" from the command line. Then try "ping www.opensuse.org".
If both of those work, you're on-line.
/Per
-- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.9°C)
Alternatively, check if you're on the same subnet as the hotel access page (or the hotel gateway); if at all possible, go with DHCP instead of static IPs. And disable any firewalls or IPtables for the time being... -- Registered Linux User 481801 and proud of it -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dne četrtek 16 april 2009 ob 08:56:13 je Klistvud napisal(a):
Dne četrtek 16 april 2009 ob 08:49:53 je Per Jessen napisal(a):
Mark Misulich wrote:
Hi, I am at a hotel in China where I can't get onto the internet with linux. [snip] I am connected with a cable connection via ethernet, and can get linux to connect to the hotel network via knetwork manager.
So you do have a connection then. Do you have name resolution working? Try "dig www.opensuse.org" from the command line. Then try "ping www.opensuse.org".
If both of those work, you're on-line.
/Per
-- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.9°C)
Alternatively, check if you're on the same subnet as the hotel access page (or the hotel gateway); if at all possible, go with DHCP instead of static IPs. And disable any firewalls or IPtables for the time being...
-- Registered Linux User 481801 and proud of it
Oh, and disable IPv6 of course... ;) -- Registered Linux User 481801 and proud of it -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I am at a hotel in China where I can't get onto the internet with linux. [snip] I am connected with a cable connection via ethernet, and can get linux to connect to the hotel network via knetwork manager.
So you do have a connection then. Do you have name resolution working? Try "dig www.opensuse.org" from the command line. Then try "ping www.opensuse.org".
If both of those work, you're on-line.
/Per
-- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.9°C)
Alternatively, check if you're on the same subnet as the hotel access page (or the hotel gateway); if at all possible, go with DHCP instead of static IPs. And disable any firewalls or IPtables for the time being...
Oh, and disable IPv6 of course...
Hi, I have tried to use DHCP to configure the connection to the ethernet. It only seems to work when I boot up the computer. Other than that I can only get a connection to the network when I put in the set of IP address numbers that the hotel IT guy used. But neither way will it connect to the internet, in fact I am not sure exactly if it is connected to any kind of network. The knetworkmanager is colored when I boot from shutdown, and if I connect with the IP address numbers the icon displays the little mouse icon that shows an ethernet connection. Yet with the dig command, I get the reply connection timed out, no servers could be reached. With the ping command, it says unknown host. ipv6 is disabled, I disabled that when I installed 11.1. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:14:27 Mark Misulich wrote:
I am at a hotel in China where I can't get onto the internet with linux. [snip] I am connected with a cable connection via ethernet, and can get linux to connect to the hotel network via knetwork manager.
So you do have a connection then. Do you have name resolution working? Try "dig www.opensuse.org" from the command line. Then try "ping www.opensuse.org".
If both of those work, you're on-line.
/Per
-- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.9°C)
Alternatively, check if you're on the same subnet as the hotel access page (or the hotel gateway); if at all possible, go with DHCP instead of static IPs. And disable any firewalls or IPtables for the time being...
Oh, and disable IPv6 of course...
Hi, I have tried to use DHCP to configure the connection to the ethernet. It only seems to work when I boot up the computer. Other than that I can only get a connection to the network when I put in the set of IP address numbers that the hotel IT guy used. But neither way will it connect to the internet, in fact I am not sure exactly if it is connected to any kind of network. The knetworkmanager is colored when I boot from shutdown, and if I connect with the IP address numbers the icon displays the little mouse icon that shows an ethernet connection. Yet with the dig command, I get the reply connection timed out, no servers could be reached. With the ping command, it says unknown host.
ipv6 is disabled, I disabled that when I installed 11.1.
Mark, I've had a similar issue with a public wireless connection - I could connect under Windows but not Linux - but I did work out how to make it work in my case. These types of services often use an internal login page that requires you to agree to a set of terms and conditions and maybe pay money (as in your case). This is usually an auto -redirect when you first open your browser but for some reason (maybe due to the use of MS-specific code behind the page) it doesn't seem to work properly for Linux clients. What I did was to copy the URL to the login page from the IE address bar under Windows and then manually enter that in Linux. That got me through the login process and connected to the net. There was a second glitch - it took 3 or 4 tries for the wireless connection to actually get an ip address on the local subnet; for some reason, the first 3 tries timed out and I ended up with a non-routable 169.254.x.x (default) address. If you're sure that you have an ip address that is in the correct address range (and check that the dns servers are being assigned by DHCP as well), try manually entering the login page URL. Regards, Rodney. -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ===================================================
Have you checked the routing for something reasonable? There is a motel in San Antonio, Texas that I have to set the default gateway route by from the command line. Presumably it all works fine on Windows. When my brother was thru, he had no problem on his Mac. But each time I have to remember how to set the routing by hand. HTH, Jeffrey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Per Jessen wrote:
Mark Misulich wrote:
Hi, I am at a hotel in China where I can't get onto the internet with linux. [snip] I am connected with a cable connection via ethernet, and can get linux to connect to the hotel network via knetwork manager.�
So you do have a connection then. Do you have name resolution working? Try "dig www.opensuse.org" from the command line. Then try "ping www.opensuse.org".
If both of those work, you're on-line.
Unfortunately, many pay services do weird things to get you to the login/pay page, per the OP. The fact that you have a physical connection does not always enable routing of traffic from your MAC. I would suggest ensuring that Javascript & cookies are enabled - many of the pay sites/processes require such gyrations on the client side. You might also watch closly on a Windoze machine that works - there's a small chance of some IE specific code doing the redirect to the login page. If you can catch what is happening on the first connect, it might give you a clue as to what you're missing on the Linux side. If you can, try launching directly TO the login page to authenticate/pay. Lee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:09 AM, L. V. Lammert
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Per Jessen wrote:
Mark Misulich wrote:
Hi, I am at a hotel in China where I can't get onto the internet with linux. [snip] I am connected with a cable connection via ethernet, and can get linux to connect to the hotel network via knetwork manager.Â
So you do have a connection then. Do you have name resolution working? Try "dig www.opensuse.org" from the command line. Then try "ping www.opensuse.org".
If both of those work, you're on-line.
Unfortunately, many pay services do weird things to get you to the login/pay page, per the OP. The fact that you have a physical connection does not always enable routing of traffic from your MAC.
I would suggest ensuring that Javascript & cookies are enabled - many of the pay sites/processes require such gyrations on the client side.
You might also watch closly on a Windoze machine that works - there's a small chance of some IE specific code doing the redirect to the login page. If you can catch what is happening on the first connect, it might give you a clue as to what you're missing on the Linux side.
If you can, try launching directly TO the login page to authenticate/pay.
Lee --
Hi, your thoughts are the same as mine, I wrote the URL addresses of the login page down from windows so I could try launching my linux browser to that/those pages before I received your reply. It didn't work, even though I was using ies4linux IE6 to try and get online. I can get online here with windows, but not linux. I leave here this morning for Central Asia, so I will have to try working on this problem in a month or so when I return here. I expect to come here a lot so I would like to work out how to get online with linux. Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Mark Misulich
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:09 AM, L. V. Lammert
wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Per Jessen wrote:
Mark Misulich wrote:
Hi, I am at a hotel in China where I can't get onto the internet with linux. [snip] I am connected with a cable connection via ethernet, and can get linux to connect to the hotel network via knetwork manager.Â
So you do have a connection then. Do you have name resolution working? Try "dig www.opensuse.org" from the command line. Then try "ping www.opensuse.org".
If both of those work, you're on-line.
Unfortunately, many pay services do weird things to get you to the login/pay page, per the OP. The fact that you have a physical connection does not always enable routing of traffic from your MAC.
I would suggest ensuring that Javascript & cookies are enabled - many of the pay sites/processes require such gyrations on the client side.
You might also watch closly on a Windoze machine that works - there's a small chance of some IE specific code doing the redirect to the login page. If you can catch what is happening on the first connect, it might give you a clue as to what you're missing on the Linux side.
If you can, try launching directly TO the login page to authenticate/pay.
Lee --
Hi, your thoughts are the same as mine, I wrote the URL addresses of the login page down from windows so I could try launching my linux browser to that/those pages before I received your reply. It didn't work, even though I was using ies4linux IE6 to try and get online. I can get online here with windows, but not linux. I leave here this morning for Central Asia, so I will have to try working on this problem in a month or so when I return here. I expect to come here a lot so I would like to work out how to get online with linux.
Mark
I forgot to say that the hotel IT guy put in a seperate url for a page that he is authorized to access for the hotel, but even it didn't work. We couldn't get online with that page, and the browser wouldn't launch to that page. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 16 April 2009 02:56:13 pm Mark Misulich wrote: ...
I forgot to say that the hotel IT guy put in a seperate url for a page that he is authorized to access for the hotel, but even it didn't work. We couldn't get online with that page, and the browser wouldn't launch to that page.
I don't know how much time you have to play around, but program Wireshark is very effective to tell where connection stops. It is in openSUSE repositories. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. wrote:
On Thursday 16 April 2009 02:56:13 pm Mark Misulich wrote: ...
I forgot to say that the hotel IT guy put in a seperate url for a page that he is authorized to access for the hotel, but even it didn't work. We couldn't get online with that page, and the browser wouldn't launch to that page.
I don't know how much time you have to play around, but program Wireshark is very effective to tell where connection stops. It is in openSUSE repositories.
I agree with everybody that it may be a routing problem and wireshark is very good. You could also try traceroute first as a simpler test. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 10:31 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote:
Rajko M. wrote:
On Thursday 16 April 2009 02:56:13 pm Mark Misulich wrote: ...
I forgot to say that the hotel IT guy put in a seperate url for a page that he is authorized to access for the hotel, but even it didn't work. We couldn't get online with that page, and the browser wouldn't launch to that page.
I don't know how much time you have to play around, but program Wireshark is very effective to tell where connection stops. It is in openSUSE repositories.
I agree with everybody that it may be a routing problem and wireshark is very good. You could also try traceroute first as a simpler test.
Cheers, Dave
Hi, thanks to everyone for all the replies. I left China this morning early and didn't have time to try any of the solutions offered. I will be going back to the same hotel in China in the future and will use traceroute & wireshark to see if I can find a solution to the problem. On the flight up here today, I realized that I hadn't mentioned that I tried to use Opera to log in to the hotel network in Vista, and had the same result as I did in Linux with all the browsers I mentioned in my original post. So I suppose that the problem is somehow connected to IE in windows, it must have something that no other browser has that allows one to log in to the network and the internet. I will post more on this thread the next time I visit that hotel, sometime in the future. Mark
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Mark Misulich schreef: (snip)
On the flight up here today, I realized that I hadn't mentioned that I tried to use Opera to log in to the hotel network in Vista, and had the same result as I did in Linux with all the browsers I mentioned in my original post. So I suppose that the problem is somehow connected to IE in windows, it must have something that no other browser has that allows one to log in to the network and the internet.
ActiveX rears its ugly head? -- Jos van Kan registered Linux user #152704 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2009-04-17 at 11:10 -0400, Mark Misulich wrote:
On the flight up here today, I realized that I hadn't mentioned that I tried to use Opera to log in to the hotel network in Vista, and had the same result as I did in Linux with all the browsers I mentioned in my original post. So I suppose that the problem is somehow connected to IE in windows, it must have something that no other browser has that allows one to log in to the network and the internet.
You could trace the process with the windows version of wireshark. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkno4ykACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WIqwCgkSo6SQC9u6wlr5WUVpLXuSww an8An0DSJtrDe1E6Lse94wyfUwMJFzbd =chd6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 16 April 2009, Mark Misulich wrote:
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Mark Misulich
wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:09 AM, L. V. Lammert
wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Per Jessen wrote:
Mark Misulich wrote:
Hi, I am at a hotel in China where I can't get onto the internet with linux. [snip] I am connected with a cable connection via ethernet, and can get linux to connect to the hotel network via knetwork manager.Â
So you do have a connection then. Do you have name resolution working? Try "dig www.opensuse.org" from the command line. Then try "ping www.opensuse.org".
If both of those work, you're on-line.
Unfortunately, many pay services do weird things to get you to the login/pay page, per the OP. The fact that you have a physical connection does not always enable routing of traffic from your MAC.
I would suggest ensuring that Javascript & cookies are enabled - many of the pay sites/processes require such gyrations on the client side.
You might also watch closly on a Windoze machine that works - there's a small chance of some IE specific code doing the redirect to the login page. If you can catch what is happening on the first connect, it might give you a clue as to what you're missing on the Linux side.
If you can, try launching directly TO the login page to authenticate/pay.
Lee --
Hi, your thoughts are the same as mine, I wrote the URL addresses of the login page down from windows so I could try launching my linux browser to that/those pages before I received your reply. It didn't work, even though I was using ies4linux IE6 to try and get online. I can get online here with windows, but not linux. I leave here this morning for Central Asia, so I will have to try working on this problem in a month or so when I return here. I expect to come here a lot so I would like to work out how to get online with linux.
Mark
I forgot to say that the hotel IT guy put in a seperate url for a page that he is authorized to access for the hotel, but even it didn't work. We couldn't get online with that page, and the browser wouldn't launch to that page.
Hi Have you checked the setting of the routing option under yast for your network card . I use DHCP here to connect to my internal network but i find i still have to enter the address of the gateway machine before i can get an outside connection this holds true on 10.0 10.3 11.0 11.1 also when i am at my friends Hotel in Wales i have to enter the ip of the gateway machine on the laptop running 11.1 Pete . -- Opensuse 10.3 x86_64 (Linux is like a wigwam no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2009-04-16 at 01:45 -0400, Mark Misulich wrote:
I am connected with a cable connection via ethernet, and can get linux to connect to the hotel network via knetwork manager. But the browser will not connect to the internet when I launch a browser. I have tried to do this with IE6 (IEs4linux), Firefox, Opera, and Konqueror. When I launch the browser in Windows, I get the hotel login screen where one elects to pay money for the internet. When I launch a browser in Opensuse, I get no connection to anything, even though the knetworkmanager icon shows that I am connected to the network. I have manually set the IP numbers for the connection with the hotel IT guy, but we still had the same result; no connection with linux.
Does anyone have any advice how I may overcome this problem?
My guess is they have a proxy or firewall that connects to internet, and you don't reach it, except in windows. A windows only proxy, it seems. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknnK0gACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XtywCdE7WBz0Zzpar0LYuZwvSNhNbm x8EAnA7XxNQn/tBUH9Sqw5il3LfjTteU =EJwI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wednesday 15 April 2009 11:45:32 pm Mark Misulich wrote:
Hi, I am at a hotel in China where I can't get onto the internet with linux. I have previously written about my steps to get onto the internet at hotels here:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2008-07/msg00503.html
None of these tricks are working here, the last step where I ask if the Internet help people can see my computer and allow it on the internet is not possible because of a language barrier.
I am connected with a cable connection via ethernet, and can get linux to connect to the hotel network via knetwork manager. But the browser will not connect to the internet when I launch a browser. I have tried to do this with IE6 (IEs4linux), Firefox, Opera, and Konqueror. When I launch the browser in Windows, I get the hotel login screen where one elects to pay money for the internet. When I launch a browser in Opensuse, I get no connection to anything, even though the knetworkmanager icon shows that I am connected to the network. I have manually set the IP numbers for the connection with the hotel IT guy, but we still had the same result; no connection with linux.
Does anyone have any advice how I may overcome this problem?
Just a guess here, but would lowering the MTU for your interface help? If its 1500, try 1200? -- Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
participants (12)
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Carlos E. R.
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Dave Howorth
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Don Raboud
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Jeffrey L. Taylor
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Jos van Kan
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Klistvud
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L. V. Lammert
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Mark Misulich
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Per Jessen
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peter nikolic
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Rajko M.
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Rodney Baker