9.1 installed fine .. now what
I have successfully completed the FTP installation of 9.1. I then went back and updated the system with YaST. I suppose my question is, now what? Should I continue updating the system with YaST or should I use apt-get instead? Where do I get apt-get? Is this a command line updating system of does it have a gui like YaST? What else should I consider? Thanks in advance, .:Thinker
If you have to ask, the use YAST... Jerry On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 14:03, Thinker wrote:
I have successfully completed the FTP installation of 9.1. I then went back and updated the system with YaST. I suppose my question is, now what?
Should I continue updating the system with YaST or should I use apt-get instead? Where do I get apt-get? Is this a command line updating system of does it have a gui like YaST?
What else should I consider?
Thanks in advance,
.:Thinker
On Jun 6, 2004, at 10:58 AM, Jerome R. Westrick wrote:
If you have to ask, the use YAST...
Jerry
Not really the informative answer I was looking for. can someone please provide a link to apt-get so that I might read about it, download and install it, and learn more about my system and it's capabilities. If I wanted to be stuck with a particular software, I would be running Windows XP on this box. .:Thinker
On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 14:03, Thinker wrote:
I have successfully completed the FTP installation of 9.1. I then went back and updated the system with YaST. I suppose my question is, now what?
Should I continue updating the system with YaST or should I use apt-get instead? Where do I get apt-get? Is this a command line updating system of does it have a gui like YaST?
What else should I consider?
Thanks in advance,
.:Thinker
Okay, but >1000 applications hardly seams to me to be stuck on a sinlge applciation... Jerry On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 02:18, Thinker wrote:
On Jun 6, 2004, at 10:58 AM, Jerome R. Westrick wrote:
If you have to ask, the use YAST...
Jerry
Not really the informative answer I was looking for. can someone please provide a link to apt-get so that I might read about it, download and install it, and learn more about my system and it's capabilities.
If I wanted to be stuck with a particular software, I would be running Windows XP on this box.
.:Thinker
On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 14:03, Thinker wrote:
I have successfully completed the FTP installation of 9.1. I then went back and updated the system with YaST. I suppose my question is, now what?
Should I continue updating the system with YaST or should I use apt-get instead? Where do I get apt-get? Is this a command line updating system of does it have a gui like YaST?
What else should I consider?
Thanks in advance,
.:Thinker
On Monday 07 June 2004 02:33 am, Jerome R. Westrick wrote:
Not really the informative answer I was looking for. can someone please provide a link to apt-get so that I might read about it, download and install it, and learn more about my system and it's capabilities.
If I wanted to be stuck with a particular software, I would be running Windows XP on this box.
.:Thinker
Google for suse apt howto. That's how I find it every year when I upgrade Suse. The Howto will give you all the IP's you need to get everything. Apt is command line while Synaptic is the GUI . There have been a lot of threads on apt on this maillist. Using this url: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=suse-linux-e&r=1&w=2 you can search that list looking for the author Richard Bos who's the resident expert on apt. If he cant help, no one can! In your search list include suser-rbos and you'll keep your apt current. ra
Thinker, See http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/ And yes ... a lot of additional software is already on the cd's. Using apt is more like living on the bleeding edge.... nice tool though but not to upgrade everything. Peter Jerome R. Westrick wrote:
Okay, but >1000 applications hardly seams to me to be stuck on a sinlge applciation...
Jerry
On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 02:18, Thinker wrote:
On Jun 6, 2004, at 10:58 AM, Jerome R. Westrick wrote:
If you have to ask, the use YAST...
Jerry
Not really the informative answer I was looking for. can someone please provide a link to apt-get so that I might read about it, download and install it, and learn more about my system and it's capabilities.
If I wanted to be stuck with a particular software, I would be running Windows XP on this box.
.:Thinker
On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 14:03, Thinker wrote:
I have successfully completed the FTP installation of 9.1. I then went back and updated the system with YaST. I suppose my question is, now what?
Should I continue updating the system with YaST or should I use apt-get instead? Where do I get apt-get? Is this a command line updating system of does it have a gui like YaST?
What else should I consider?
Thanks in advance,
.:Thinker
Op maandag 7 juni 2004 15:05, schreef Peter Vollebregt:
Using apt is more like living on the bleeding edge.... nice tool though but not to upgrade everything.
Depends how it is configured. Apt is very very conservative if ons has only the apt components; base, update and security configured. This way the result is the same as using yast. On the other hand one can have apt configured with e.g. suse-people and gnome, the latter is indeed bleeding edge (providing gnome-2.6). And of course one can have many components in between. You can't just say apt is bleeding, it fully depends on the how the user uses (configures) apt! -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
Op maandag 7 juni 2004 15:05, schreef Peter Vollebregt:
Using apt is more like living on the bleeding edge.... nice tool though but not to upgrade everything.
Depends how it is configured. Apt is very very conservative if ons has only the apt components; base, update and security configured. This way the result is the same as using yast. On the other hand one can have apt configured with e.g. suse-people and gnome, the latter is indeed bleeding edge (providing gnome-2.6). And of course one can have many components in between.
You can't just say apt is bleeding, it fully depends on the how the user uses (configures) apt!
Richard, You are very right - it depends very much on your choice of sources. I just wanted to warn for the consequences not seeing the mistake i made o the other side (very sorry!). But when you are new to this it is very hard to know which souces are conservative and which are bleeding edge. It would be very nice to have a pre-configured source files for different risk profiles. But then again who wants to take the risk to create them ;-) Peter
Op maandag 7 juni 2004 23:20, schreef Peter Vollebregt:
It would be very nice to have a pre-configured source files for different risk profiles. But then again who wants to take the risk to create them ;-)
There are 2 present at the moment: 1. /etc/apt/security.list 2. /etc/apt/sources.list 1. refers to the security list only 2. refers to update and security 2. can be extended for 9.1 with base, as the online version is the same as the disc version. With the combination above one updates the security information when executing an 'apt update'. It's possible to check which security rpms are available by executing 'apt -s --sourceslist security.list upgrade' So, how would a 3rd and 4th sources.list file look like? contrib-stable.list:base update security suser-rbos packman usr-local-bin More components to add? More files? -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
Richard, Richard Bos wrote:
Op maandag 7 juni 2004 23:20, schreef Peter Vollebregt:
It would be very nice to have a pre-configured source files for different risk profiles. But then again who wants to take the risk to create them ;-)
There are 2 present at the moment: 1. /etc/apt/security.list 2. /etc/apt/sources.list
1. refers to the security list only 2. refers to update and security
2. can be extended for 9.1 with base, as the online version is the same as the disc version.
With the combination above one updates the security information when executing an 'apt update'. It's possible to check which security rpms are available by executing 'apt -s --sourceslist security.list upgrade'
So, how would a 3rd and 4th sources.list file look like? contrib-stable.list:base update security suser-rbos packman usr-local-bin
More components to add?
More files?
Richard, Thanks for the initiative. Humble me really does not know enough about apt nor the sources and their policies to do it. But of course i am not humble enough to not try... The 3d list for me would be a list that makes it possible to upgrade applications. Especially i would think about getting Multimedia to work (mplayer, xine, dvd stuff, and i alway wonder why xmms is so difficult to upgrade for suse). And this should include some applications that are upgrades very often like mozilla, openoffice, wine. Dangerous but only to that particular application that you can revert to normal via tha 'base' list or your CD's. This looks like your list but with the addition of some susers or projects. And in your list i would add packman-686 and maybe funktronics? The 4d list should be for upgrading system-related apps. Lest say KDE, Gnome, Xfree, CUPS. Very dangeorus of course because it can cripple your system. Warning lights flashing! Underlying this is of course how specific sources are filled. For instance when you upgrade some things via packman you can be drawn in upgrading KDE just because it is a requirement of a particular small app. And usr-local-bin can be dangerous because it includes a newer version of mozilla that requires an upgrade of gnome... HTH. My 2 cts... Peter Vollebregt
On Wednesday 09 Jun 2004 14:38, Peter Vollebregt wrote:
Richard,
Richard Bos wrote:
Op maandag 7 juni 2004 23:20, schreef Peter Vollebregt:
It would be very nice to have a pre-configured source files for different risk profiles. But then again who wants to take the risk to create them ;-)
There are 2 present at the moment: 1. /etc/apt/security.list 2. /etc/apt/sources.list
1. refers to the security list only 2. refers to update and security
2. can be extended for 9.1 with base, as the online version is the same as the disc version.
With the combination above one updates the security information when executing an 'apt update'. It's possible to check which security rpms are available by executing 'apt -s --sourceslist security.list upgrade'
So, how would a 3rd and 4th sources.list file look like? contrib-stable.list:base update security suser-rbos packman usr-local-bin
More components to add?
More files?
Richard,
Thanks for the initiative. Humble me really does not know enough about apt nor the sources and their policies to do it. But of course i am not humble enough to not try...
The 3d list for me would be a list that makes it possible to upgrade applications. Especially i would think about getting Multimedia to work (mplayer, xine, dvd stuff, and i alway wonder why xmms is so difficult
Hum difficult errrrrrr nope i have never had xmms fail an upgrade yet always worked first time around apart from when the SCSI controller went kaput . xmms perfect every time thou
to upgrade for suse). And this should include some applications that are upgrades very often like mozilla, openoffice, wine. Dangerous but only to that particular application that you can revert to normal via tha 'base' list or your CD's. This looks like your list but with the addition of some susers or projects. And in your list i would add packman-686 and maybe funktronics?
The 4d list should be for upgrading system-related apps. Lest say KDE, Gnome, Xfree, CUPS. Very dangeorus of course because it can cripple your system. Warning lights flashing!
Underlying this is of course how specific sources are filled. For instance when you upgrade some things via packman you can be drawn in upgrading KDE just because it is a requirement of a particular small app. And usr-local-bin can be dangerous because it includes a newer version of mozilla that requires an upgrade of gnome...
HTH. My 2 cts... Peter Vollebregt
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peter Nikolic wrote:
On Wednesday 09 Jun 2004 14:38, Peter Vollebregt wrote:
Richard,
Richard Bos wrote:
Op maandag 7 juni 2004 23:20, schreef Peter Vollebregt:
It would be very nice to have a pre-configured source files for different risk profiles. But then again who wants to take the risk to create them ;-)
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The 3d list for me would be a list that makes it possible to upgrade applications. Especially i would think about getting Multimedia to work (mplayer, xine, dvd stuff, and i alway wonder why xmms is so difficult
Hum difficult errrrrrr nope i have never had xmms fail an upgrade yet always worked first time around apart from when the SCSI controller went kaput . xmms perfect every time thou
Peter, I agree XMMS is not difficult to obtain, but i meant there are no SuSE RPM's. A while ago i tried to use a newer version with plugins and this was not so easy. Had something to do with the new KDE 3.2.1 and the broken arts plugin..... Peter Vollebregt
Richard, Richard Bos wrote:
Op maandag 7 juni 2004 23:20, schreef Peter Vollebregt:
It would be very nice to have a pre-configured source files for different risk profiles. But then again who wants to take the risk to create them ;-)
There are 2 present at the moment: 1. /etc/apt/security.list 2. /etc/apt/sources.list
1. refers to the security list only 2. refers to update and security
2. can be extended for 9.1 with base, as the online version is the same as the disc version.
With the combination above one updates the security information when executing an 'apt update'. It's possible to check which security rpms are available by executing 'apt -s --sourceslist security.list upgrade'
So, how would a 3rd and 4th sources.list file look like? contrib-stable.list:base update security suser-rbos packman usr-local-bin
More components to add?
More files?
Richard, Thanks for the initiative. Humble me really does not know enough about apt nor the sources and their policies to do it. But of course i am not humble enough to not try... The 3d list for me would be a list that makes it possible to upgrade applications. Especially i would think about getting Multimedia to work (mplayer, xine, dvd stuff, and i alway wonder why xmms is so difficult to upgrade for suse). And this should include some applications that are upgrades very often like mozilla, openoffice, wine. Dangerous but only to that particular application that you can revert to normal via tha 'base' list or your CD's. This looks like your list but with the addition of some susers or projects. And in your list i would add packman-686 and maybe funktronics? The 4d list should be for upgrading system-related apps. Lest say KDE, Gnome, Xfree, CUPS. Very dangeorus of course because it can cripple your system. Warning lights flashing! Underlying this is of course how specific sources are filled. For instance when you upgrade some things via packman you can be drawn in upgrading KDE just because it is a requirement of a particular small app. And usr-local-bin can be dangerous because it includes a newer version of mozilla that requires an upgrade of gnome... HTH. My 2 cts... Peter Vollebregt
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