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7 Aug 2008 7 Aug '08

17:41

Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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James Knott

7 Aug 7 Aug

17:52

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

The poster must be dyslexic or a troll. He's got things backwards. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

The poster must be dyslexic or a troll. He's got things backwards. ;-)

Why should openSUSE made worse then it currently is? It is already better! -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott

18:22

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slinux2006@googlemail.com wrote:

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

The poster must be dyslexic or a troll. He's got things backwards. ;-)

Why should openSUSE made worse then it currently is? It is already better!

Ummm... I posted my message at 1:52 PM and you replied to it at 10 AM. Would you kindly wait until I've posted my message, before you reply to it! ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider

18:37

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slinux2006@googlemail.com wrote:

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

The poster must be dyslexic or a troll. He's got things backwards. ;-)

Why should openSUSE made worse then it currently is? It is already better!

Ummm... I posted my message at 1:52 PM and you replied to it at 10 AM. Would you kindly wait until I've posted my message, before you reply to it! ;-)

That was my crystal ball running fast. :-) -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

jdd

17:57

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

what are such silly question good for? trolling ? -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

CyberOrg

17:58

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 11:11 PM, wrote:

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

Yeah, like we need the following features pronto to really be as good as XP: No virus Integrate CD/DVD burner software Make digital cameras, ipod plug and play Integrate Office suite Provide half a dozen Desktop Environments Put minimum 100 softwares very useful for day-to-day tasks per DE Firewall Online software repos with everything that builds so we do not have to search for software we need everywhere. Installer that talks (for blind) Write in tons of languages around the world without installing any paid software And we totally should charge little less than XP+antivirus+office suite+other propriatory bloat :) Happy trolling ;) -J -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

jdd sur free

18:05

Why can't Linux distributions make money for me? Why can't Linux distributions cook bread on my owen ? Why can't Linux distributions sing in my bathroom with me ? Why can't Linux distributions ... imagine what :-) jdd -- Jean-Daniel Dodin Président du CULTe www.culte.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Brian K. White

18:53

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Why can't Linux distributions make money for me? Why can't Linux distributions cook bread on my oven ? Why can't Linux distributions sing in my bathroom with me ?

Hehe! :) -- Brian K. White brian@aljex.com http://www.myspace.com/KEYofR +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO FreeBSD #callahans Satriani Filk! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

18:07

On Thursday 07 August 2008 10:41, slinux2006@googlemail.com wrote:

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

Please don't feed the trolls. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

skx

19:12

On Thursday 07 August 2008 19:41:33 slinux2006@googlemail.com wrote:

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

Poor support from hardware vendors, especially ones making peripheral devices. -- skx, http://skxpl.eu.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kevin Dupuy

19:41

On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 21:12 +0200, skx wrote:

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On Thursday 07 August 2008 19:41:33 slinux2006@googlemail.com wrote:

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

Poor support from hardware vendors, especially ones making peripheral devices.

skx just presented the only reservation I have about recommending Linux. And you're right, hardware support is always improving but just like any OS, if you don't have drivers for your hardware, you are not going to have a good experience with openSUSE. I don't mean to be feeding the trolls (the OP, not skx) but hardware support is a legitimate area of concern for those switching to any different OS, even upgrading OSs. Much of the original pain of Windows Vista was because of incompatible drivers. To be fair, I'm not ruling out that the OP actually had a legitimate question, but posed it wrong. -- Kevin "Yo" Dupuy - openSUSE Member Public Mail: Meet Bob Barr - Libertarian for President - http://www.BobBarr2008.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte

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On Thursday 07 August 2008 12:41:18 pm Kevin Dupuy wrote:

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I don't mean to be feeding the trolls (the OP, not skx) but hardware support is a legitimate area of concern for those switching to any different OS, even upgrading OSs. Much of the original pain of Windows Vista was because of incompatible drivers.

Kevin, you just highlighted all that is right with openSUSE. Here a troll posted a question intended to stir up a flamefest (as if this were comp.os.linux.advocacy) and instead we see an openSUSE team member responding honestly. bravo! -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Amedee Van Gasse

23:09

On Thu, August 7, 2008 21:12, skx wrote:

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On Thursday 07 August 2008 19:41:33 slinux2006@googlemail.com wrote:

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

Poor support from hardware vendors, especially ones making peripheral devices.

Actually, the current vanilla Linux kernel supports more hardware devices out of the box than the 5 year old Windows XP without additional driver coasters ever did. There are stats about that, Google knows it. -- Amedee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Larry Stotler

8 Aug 8 Aug

03:02

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Amedee Van Gasse wrote:

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Actually, the current vanilla Linux kernel supports more hardware devices out of the box than the 5 year old Windows XP without additional driver coasters ever did.

Uh, guys, XP came out in 2001, not 2003. As for wanting to wait 4-5 hours while I install updates and anti-everything to even be able to use XP, I'll stick with SuSE. I work on WinDoZe crap all day at work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

steve

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On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Amedee Van Gasse wrote:

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Actually, the current vanilla Linux kernel supports more hardware devices out of the box than the 5 year old Windows XP without additional driver coasters ever did.

Uh, guys, XP came out in 2001, not 2003.

As for wanting to wait 4-5 hours while I install updates and anti-everything to even be able to use XP, I'll stick with SuSE. I work on WinDoZe crap all day at work.

same here, youll get a laugh outta this one. my employer switched from win 95, yes I said WIN 95 !!! to xp last year on workstations. But, oddly enough servers that run the controllers for pos/pob all run sles9. go figure. - -- Steve Reilly http://reillyblog.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIm7kuUpqfZIdKFyERAvRQAKC/xfkuCF1LRrjVT9m6Z911YNUUfQCfYmHN tHLLPzwVe868H3+31NmIx9Y= =OqQb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Amedee Van Gasse

07:18

On Fri, August 8, 2008 05:02, Larry Stotler wrote:

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On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Amedee Van Gasse wrote:

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Actually, the current vanilla Linux kernel supports more hardware devices out of the box than the 5 year old Windows XP without additional driver coasters ever did.

Uh, guys, XP came out in 2001, not 2003.

I stand corrected. You are absolutely right. 2003 was the year of XPsp2. Excuse me while I lart myself. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike

7 Aug 7 Aug

19:35

On Thursday 07 August 2008 19:41, slinux2006@googlemail.com wrote:

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

Franz.. Trolling I see. After you ask a question, you let it go and just ask a stupid question like this? That's OK.. You just made the bitbucket.. -- Powered by SuSE 10.0 Kernel 2.6.13 X86_64 KDE 3.4 Kmail 1.8 9:33pm up 15 days 6:43, 4 users, load average: 1.46, 1.31, 1.22 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Layt

19:55

On Thursday 07 August 2008, slinux2006@googlemail.com wrote:

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

Wow, it's been years since I've seen such a blantant old-skool troll, talk about nostalgia :-) Guess it's a sign they can't think of anything else to complain about these days... John. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hans de Faber

21:05

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

Of course it can: 1. Use a more conservative distribution policy 2. Only once in 3 to 5 year a new distro 3. Provide only patches to repair the ??? 4. Big money marketing to convince that its perfect 5. Keep bugs secret. 6. Let people pay for everything, if its expensive nobody confesses that he did a bad buy, or if you have to buy for every problem solution......most people accept it as it is. Do I want this, no I will be at the bleeding edge of technology. And just like the world nothing is perfect. Thats the reason why I choose for opensuse. And if you want,and not lazy and buildup some knowledge,in linux there is always some kind of a solution. If something doesn't work in xp and are you a small customer than thats the end of your problem. If I want something more stable for longtime I have to make another choice maybe sles or sled or .... choice enough. And even than if you have a perfect system and being conservative and did not change anything, the world changes continuously. New hardware, new standards, new threats, new energy prices,new eye candy,.... And your perfect system is less perfect. Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Amedee Van Gasse

23:04

On Thu, August 7, 2008 19:41, slinux2006@googlemail.com wrote:

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

According to the official Microsoft Product Lifecycle, Windows XP is almost End Of Life. Microsoft stopped distributing Windows XP via their partner channels on 30 june 2008. The only exception is for ultralight laptops like the Asus EEE. With the end of public availability, the Extended Support period starts, and from the top of my mind I think that lasts for two years. Microsoft currently recommends Windows Vista. So if you want to Troll The Right Way(tm), don't compare an '03 Windows version with an '08 Linux distro. That is unfair, Windows XP reflects the state of technology of five years ago. You should compare current Windows versions with current Linux distro's. Some suggestions: Windows Vista Home Basic <> Ubuntu 8.04,... Windows Vista Ultimate <> OpenSuse 11.0, Fedora,... Windows Vista Business <> SLED, RHEL,... Windows Server 2008 <> Debian, SLES,... Do better research before you start to troll. Chances are that most people here had more in-depth hands-on experience with Windows Server 2008 than you ever had with any flavour of Linux. -- Amedee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike McMullin

8 Aug 8 Aug

05:44

On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 01:04 +0200, Amedee Van Gasse wrote:

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On Thu, August 7, 2008 19:41, slinux2006@googlemail.com wrote:

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

According to the official Microsoft Product Lifecycle, Windows XP is almost End Of Life. Microsoft stopped distributing Windows XP via their partner channels on 30 june 2008. The only exception is for ultralight laptops like the Asus EEE. With the end of public availability, the Extended Support period starts, and from the top of my mind I think that lasts for two years.

EOL, as determined by the end of patch availability is set for 2014 on XP.

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Microsoft currently recommends Windows Vista. So if you want to Troll The Right Way(tm), don't compare an '03 Windows version with an '08 Linux distro. That is unfair, Windows XP reflects the state of technology of five years ago. You should compare current Windows versions with current Linux distro's.

Some suggestions: Windows Vista Home Basic <> Ubuntu 8.04,... Windows Vista Ultimate <> OpenSuse 11.0, Fedora,... Windows Vista Business <> SLED, RHEL,... Windows Server 2008 <> Debian, SLES,...

Do better research before you start to troll. Chances are that most people here had more in-depth hands-on experience with Windows Server 2008 than you ever had with any flavour of Linux.

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Amedee Van Gasse

07:27

On Fri, August 8, 2008 07:44, Mike McMullin wrote:

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On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 01:04 +0200, Amedee Van Gasse wrote:

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On Thu, August 7, 2008 19:41, slinux2006@googlemail.com wrote:

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

According to the official Microsoft Product Lifecycle, Windows XP is almost End Of Life. Microsoft stopped distributing Windows XP via their partner channels on 30 june 2008. The only exception is for ultralight laptops like the Asus EEE. With the end of public availability, the Extended Support period starts, and from the top of my mind I think that lasts for two years.

EOL, as determined by the end of patch availability is set for 2014 on XP.

You are probably right about the EOL date. But it doesn't matter. What matters is: * Windows XP is no longer available trough regular dealer channels (but they may have some stock left) * Windows XP is not current technology. Current technologies are Windows Vista SP1 and Windows Server 2008. If anyone wants to compare Windows with Linux, they should use current technology at both sides of the equation. There is no use in comparing PC-DOS 1.0 with the Linux 0.99 kernel. -- Amedee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin

04:42

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

I don't know. Why do I have openSuSE 11 and XP installed on my laptop, but never use XP? Aaron, is that you??? -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike McMullin

05:38

On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 18:41 +0100, slinux2006@googlemail.com wrote:

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Why can't Linux distributions be as good as Windows XP? Any thoughts?

As good as XP in terms of what? Out of the box hardware support? That's not Linux, that's the hardware maker. Applications/Games? Well try and convince a software-house that you want to use their app on Linux and not Windows, and they'll tell you that there is no Linux market, but they won't mention that they're catch-22ed on this, they won;t develop for Linux because they aim at Windows, and kill any Linux market. Now as far as stability, and a whole raft of other things (like security?), why can't XP be as good as Linux? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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