I really need to do it 'cause the place I work is a partner of Novell and Novell said we need to have it to stay with Gold Partner of them....something like that...after CLP, surely I'll get LPI ! Your employer should be able to get you the training at no charge or at least provide the training materials to you at no cost to you since it benefits them in maintaining their standing as a Gold Partner. The LPI is good precursor to getting the Novell CLE, if you are going in that direction. Unfortunately, the CLE is not getting the respect it needs to be factor in the Linux community. On 2/8/06, SheridanJ West wrote:
On 2/7/06, Thiago dos Santos wrote:
Thanks Oliver, I really didn't find this forum, It's very nice ! If someome know something more about CLP, please, send me ! Thiago
Avoid the Novell press CLP books, personally i recommend the lpi exams. CLP has a mega slow time lag - the forum at novell will tell you more.
As to the time lag, that is because they can't keep their training materials current with the exams and since the "books" don't sell (and don't stay current), publishers are a little hesitant to get behind the Novell certification programs. The only really valid study materials are those offered by a Novell Certified Training Center in conjunction with offering the exam.
Clint Tinsley wrote:
I really need to do it 'cause the place I work is a partner of Novell and Novell said we need to have it to stay with Gold Partner of them....something like that...after CLP, surely I'll get LPI !
That's not a total given. CLP deals with modern stuff, on SLES 9, and you get to do actual practical things logged into a system, so you get to use --help if you forget if it was -x or -y you needed to use. LPI is filled with outdated, and in some cases red hat specific, things, and it's an old fashioned q&a style exam, where you have to remember command line parameters. Even being an top expert on a modern linux distribution isn't a guarantee that you'll pass LPI
Op woensdag 8 februari 2006 22:50, schreef Anders Johansson:
LPI is filled with outdated, and in some cases red hat specific, things,
Yeezzz what a bully reply. The thing is when people understand the outdated things, they are able to coop with the newer ones to. There are debian specific things in LPI too. That's is because it covers all distributions not just one.
and it's an old fashioned q&a style exam,
Enabling people from all over the world poor or rich to take the exame. The old style q&a is with open several questions, so not easy (no gambling). Statistics are performed on all answers so the exam level keeps right. The questions are renewed about every 6 months, so there are no known questions on the exam. Questions can be provided to the lpi organisation, it's a bit like OSS.
where you have to remember command line parameters. Even being an top expert on a modern linux distribution isn't a guarantee that you'll pass LPI
What does that say about the expert? Perhaps too much specialized in one area? Questions are being asked such way, that they are able to distinquish an experienced (command line) user, from a brain dumper. You'll be able to guess the right command option due to your experince with many tools, isn't it? I attended a nice presentation about certification and the advice is to get a LPI certification, because of it broadness/seriousness/it's payable and Novell because Novell has a practical exam and is payable. Redhat is not adviced as it is expensive, one has to take the course, to fly to and to take a hotel at the exam location for RHCE. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
Richard Bos wrote:
Op woensdag 8 februari 2006 22:50, schreef Anders Johansson:
LPI is filled with outdated, and in some cases red hat specific, things,
Yeezzz what a bully reply. The thing is when people understand the outdated things, they are able to coop with the newer ones to.
I dare you to find a valid use for kernel version 2.2 information today. It's been a while since I took it, but I do remember there were a ton of things no one will ever use on a modern system
There are debian specific things in LPI too. That's is because it covers all distributions not just one.
No, you get to choose what you want, rpm or dpkg. If you choose rpm, you don't get the debian stuff
and it's an old fashioned q&a style exam,
Enabling people from all over the world poor or rich to take the exame. The old style q&a is with open several questions, so not easy (no gambling). Statistics are performed on all answers so the exam level keeps right. The questions are renewed about every 6 months, so there are no known questions on the exam. Questions can be provided to the lpi organisation, it's a bit like OSS.
Nice theory, but it doesn't really work that way in practice. I've seen cheat sheets that give you all LPI questions verbatim
where you have to remember command line parameters. Even being an top expert on a modern linux distribution isn't a guarantee that you'll pass LPI
What does that say about the expert? Perhaps too much specialized in one area? Questions are being asked such way, that they are able to distinquish an experienced (command line) user, from a brain dumper.
Thanks, I appreciate it
You'll be able to guess the right command option due to your experince with many tools, isn't it?
Give me a break. When was the last time you saw the man page for "tar". I know the options I use every day, for the rest I use the man pages, it's what they're there for. It's the same difference as between my university mathematics exams, and the engineers' math exams in the building next to us. They had to memorize all sorts of formulas, which they would use to calculate stuff. We had open book exams, and could bring just about anything into the exam, because our questions tested understanding, not mindless regurgitation I'm not saying CLP is the ideal form of an exam, I can give you a lot of bad aspects of it, but the idea of it is certainly better than LPI
Op woensdag 8 februari 2006 23:49, schreef Anders Johansson:
Richard Bos wrote:
Op woensdag 8 februari 2006 22:50, schreef Anders Johansson:
LPI is filled with outdated, and in some cases red hat specific, things,
Yeezzz what a bully reply. The thing is when people understand the outdated things, they are able to coop with the newer ones to.
I dare you to find a valid use for kernel version 2.2 information today. It's been a while since I took it, but I do remember there were a ton of things no one will ever use on a modern system
It's to check how much experience you have with linux (linux-2.2 is of 4 - 5 years ago). So if you you can answer such questions correctly, you probably have over 4 years of linux experience.
There are debian specific things in LPI too. That's is because it covers all distributions not just one.
No, you get to choose what you want, rpm or dpkg. If you choose rpm, you don't get the debian stuff
Nowadays it is just both. With dpkg and rpm around everywhere one should just know them both.
and it's an old fashioned q&a style exam,
Enabling people from all over the world poor or rich to take the exame. The old style q&a is with open several questions, so not easy (no gambling). Statistics are performed on all answers so the exam level keeps right. The questions are renewed about every 6 months, so there are no known questions on the exam. Questions can be provided to the lpi organisation, it's a bit like OSS.
Nice theory, but it doesn't really work that way in practice. I've seen cheat sheets that give you all LPI questions verbatim
Heh, can you sent them to me?
Thanks, I appreciate it
You'll be able to guess the right command option due to your experince with many tools, isn't it?
Give me a break. When was the last time you saw the man page for "tar". I know the options I use every day, for the rest I use the man pages, it's what they're there for.
I had it with a collegue, he used a command I did not see before. He wanted to do something, I guessed the cml option and it was just it! I never saw the command before.
It's the same difference as between my university mathematics exams, and the engineers' math exams in the building next to us. They had to memorize all sorts of formulas, which they would use to calculate stuff. We had open book exams, and could bring just about anything into the exam, because our questions tested understanding, not mindless regurgitation
I'm not saying CLP is the ideal form of an exam, I can give you a lot of bad aspects of it, but the idea of it is certainly better than LPI
The thing with LPI is, that you won't be able to get all questions answered correctly. That might because of the old linux stuff, the command line options, or whatever. But with enough linux experience and some study anybody from alround the world (poor or rich) can take a good linux exam in an exam center not far from home. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
On Thursday 09 February 2006 00:49, Anders Johansson wrote:
I dare you to find a valid use for kernel version 2.2 information today. It's been a while since I took it, but I do remember there were a ton of things no one will ever use on a modern system
I have LPIC-2. And yes, I thought that it was outdated and it pissed me off greatly. I use grub. Don't need no lilo. I only knew about lilo because I have used it before. A person that knows nothing about lilo right now is not at all handicapped in any way. Yet he would not score points in LPI exams. Same goes for sendmail. I have never, ever used sendmail. So what. Postfix did everything I needed. Yet I had to learn some sendmail just for LPI. And there were questions about -d -f -r -p and bullcrap like this. I don't know, perhaps they have improved and renewed the testing material, since I have taken the exams. My view on this might not be so fresh. On Thursday 09 February 2006 00:19, Richard Bos wrote:
Enabling people from all over the world poor or rich to take the exame.
Yes indeed. $125 for 1 exam. 2 exams needed to achieve a level of certification. Total 4 exams for LPIC-2 = $500 There are promotions, I know. Exams can't be free of cost. So there's nothing wrong with that. While they're not really for _everyone_, a good number of people can afford them. On Thursday 09 February 2006 00:19, Richard Bos wrote:
Statistics are performed on all answers so the exam level keeps right. The questions are renewed about every 6 months, so there are no known questions on the exam. Questions can be provided to the lpi organisation, it's a bit like OSS.
Except that providing questions for LPI is not so sexy as writing OSS. I don't expect they get a lot of contributions. LPI have to use the money they get to do this work. It's a business and it's good that it exists. It fulfills a need.
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