Re: [SLE] CNN, SusE, Lousy PR
Greg Thomas wrote:
From: Jerry L Kreps
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There may be a few apps that are still not quite ready on Linux, such as Gnucash, but damn, there are excellent games now with more coming, there are several WPs with decent compatability with Word, and for a CEO to say the things he did is just selling the product short.
Greg
It was the lack of a good Quicken substitute that kept me booting Win95 once a month to balance my checkbook and bank statement. BUT, when MoneyDance 2.0 came out I tried it and found it to be an excellent package that contains everything I used in Quicken. MoneyDande doesn't do household inventory or keep your stock portfolio (there are other Linux-Unix package$ that do that) but it does all that I ever did with Quicken. So, Win95 went into my museum. JLK -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
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Jerry Kreps mentioned:
BUT, when MoneyDance 2.0 came out I tried it and found it to be an excellent package that contains everything I used in Quicken.
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Jerry Kreps mentioned:
BUT, when MoneyDance 2.0 came out I tried it and found it to be an excellent package that contains everything I used in Quicken.
~ could someone please explain what it is that these programs do so well . . . Until now, I have always used spreadsheets ?
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I used to use spreadsheets. Using range calculations and having the spreadsheet modify a total calculation on a range when a new entry is inserted within the ranage is ok. But it is slow when you get over a few months entries. It is cumbersome to add new accounts or switch entries in an account. And, lookups for autocomplete is very slow. As a pgm dedicated to checkbook balancing, MoneyDance makes that task, and especially reconciliation, very easy. Reports are a bonus. It will cost you nothing to try MoneyDance... JLK -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Jerry L Kreps wrote:
Greg Thomas wrote:
From: Jerry L Kreps
<snip>
There may be a few apps that are still not quite ready on Linux, such as Gnucash, but damn, there are excellent games now with more coming, there are several WPs with decent compatability with Word, and for a CEO to say the things he did is just selling the product short.
Greg
It was the lack of a good Quicken substitute that kept me booting Win95 once a month to balance my checkbook and bank statement. BUT, when MoneyDance 2.0 came out I tried it and found it to be an excellent package that contains everything I used in Quicken. MoneyDande doesn't do household inventory or keep your stock portfolio (there are other Linux-Unix package$ that do that) but it does all that I ever did with Quicken. So, Win95 went into my museum.
One kind of program that isn't available for Linux as far as I know is the equivalent of TurboTax. The trouble with income-tax programs is that they have to be updated every year, and no author of free software is going to make the effort to do that year after year. On top of that the details you have to deal with are details of IRS forms, not of programming. Personally, I'd love to see Intuit dragged into the Microsoft case somehow or other. They are aiding and abetting the Microsoft monopoly by refusing to port their software to Linux even though it would probably be profitable for them to do so. Paul Abrahams -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
"Paul W. Abrahams" wrote:
Jerry L Kreps wrote:
Greg Thomas wrote:
From: Jerry L Kreps
<snip>
There may be a few apps that are still not quite ready on Linux, such as Gnucash, but damn, there are excellent games now with more coming, there are several WPs with decent compatability with Word, and for a CEO to say the things he did is just selling the product short.
Greg
It was the lack of a good Quicken substitute that kept me booting Win95 once a month to balance my checkbook and bank statement. BUT, when MoneyDance 2.0 came out I tried it and found it to be an excellent package that contains everything I used in Quicken. MoneyDande doesn't do household inventory or keep your stock portfolio (there are other Linux-Unix package$ that do that) but it does all that I ever did with Quicken. So, Win95 went into my museum.
One kind of program that isn't available for Linux as far as I know is the equivalent of TurboTax. The trouble with income-tax programs is that they have to be updated every year, and no author of free software is going to make the effort to do that year after year. On top of that the details you have to deal with are details of IRS forms, not of programming.
Personally, I'd love to see Intuit dragged into the Microsoft case somehow or other. They are aiding and abetting the Microsoft monopoly by refusing to port their software to Linux even though it would probably be profitable for them to do so.
Paul Abrahams
You're right there, Paul! I used to write testing software for the Dept of Rev of NE, and TurboTax was one of the packages that was tested for conformity. It was one of the best. I heard that they have had troubles getting the product out on time this year. ???? I used http://www.completetax.com this year and it cost only $7.50 to file electronically for both the fed and the state returns. You can download it for free and do you taxes offline. Then connect and file electronically. I use and ADSL and am online 24/7, except for storms or absences, and the filing was seamless. You clicked the file button and within a few seconds a panel appeared indicating it had been sent. JLK -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Jerry L Kreps wrote:
"Paul W. Abrahams" wrote:
One kind of program that isn't available for Linux as far as I know is the equivalent of TurboTax. The trouble with income-tax programs is that they have to be updated every year, and no author of free software is going to make the effort to do that year after year. On top of that the details you have to deal with are details of IRS forms, not of programming.
Personally, I'd love to see Intuit dragged into the Microsoft case somehow or other. They are aiding and abetting the Microsoft monopoly by refusing to port their software to Linux even though it would probably be profitable for them to do so.
Paul Abrahams
You're right there, Paul! I used to write testing software for the Dept of Rev of NE, and TurboTax was one of the packages that was tested for conformity. It was one of the best. I heard that they have had troubles getting the product out on time this year. ????
I used http://www.completetax.com this year and it cost only $7.50 to file electronically for both the fed and the state returns. You can download it for free and do you taxes offline. Then connect and file electronically. I use and ADSL and am online 24/7, except for storms or absences, and the filing was seamless. You clicked the file button and within a few seconds a panel appeared indicating it had been sent.
Just curious: does completetax run under Linux? As it happens, I got a very good deal on TurboTax and Basic Quicken. I paid a total of $40 for the two of them and got a $30 rebate. Paul Abrahams -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
"Paul W. Abrahams" wrote:
Jerry L Kreps wrote:
"Paul W. Abrahams" wrote:
One kind of program that isn't available for Linux as far as I know is the equivalent of TurboTax. The trouble with income-tax programs is that they have to be updated every year, and no author of free software is going to make the effort to do that year after year. On top of that the details you have to deal with are details of IRS forms, not of programming.
Personally, I'd love to see Intuit dragged into the Microsoft case somehow or other. They are aiding and abetting the Microsoft monopoly by refusing to port their software to Linux even though it would probably be profitable for them to do so.
Paul Abrahams
You're right there, Paul! I used to write testing software for the Dept of Rev of NE, and TurboTax was one of the packages that was tested for conformity. It was one of the best. I heard that they have had troubles getting the product out on time this year. ????
I used http://www.completetax.com this year and it cost only $7.50 to file electronically for both the fed and the state returns. You can download it for free and do you taxes offline. Then connect and file electronically. I use and ADSL and am online 24/7, except for storms or absences, and the filing was seamless. You clicked the file button and within a few seconds a panel appeared indicating it had been sent.
Just curious: does completetax run under Linux?
Unfortunately, it does not. Maybe next year?
As it happens, I got a very good deal on TurboTax and Basic Quicken. I paid a total of $40 for the two of them and got a $30 rebate.
Paul Abrahams
That's a good deal. Usually it is $69 for the fed and $25 for the state. JLK -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Paul W. Abrahams said: [snip]
One kind of program that isn't available for Linux as far as I know is the equivalent of TurboTax. The trouble with income-tax programs is that they have to be updated every year, and no author of free software is going to make the effort to do that year after year. On top of that the details you have to deal with are details of IRS forms, not of programming.
I'm not worried; if Apple really is moving to a NeXT-derived OS (aka Mach, aka BSD) then before long even M$ will be basically writing _some_ of their apps for an *ix-like platform. From there it's just a relatively small step to Linux.
Personally, I'd love to see Intuit dragged into the Microsoft case somehow or other. They are aiding and abetting the Microsoft monopoly by refusing to port their software to Linux even though it would probably be profitable for them to do so.
Unless they drop Mac support as well, they -will- come around. Say what you like about Jobs, at least he knows that apps are important, so I don't think he'll let companies like Intuit get away. (In fact, now that I think about it, didn't he haul them back once already?) IMHO, the only question is when, not if, we'll see a linux version of their software. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Except that writing to MacOS X does not necessarily mean writing to a *BSD API. Mainstream Apps will most likely be written in Carbon- which is basically the tired old Mac ToolBox stripped of some legacy crap that is keeping it from memory protection / preemptive multitasking / symmetric multiprocessing. A smaller number of Apps will be written to Cocoa- formerly known as YellowBox, aka OpenStep- a fairly rad OO API that GNUStep is trying to implament in an Open environment. Very few mainstream Apps will probably be written to the *BSD API. The primary roadblock to having Linux benefit from MacOS X's push of un* into the main stream is that Linux tends to rely on (barf) X- MacOS X imaging revolves around a seperate model. Although J. Carmack recently ported X to MacOS X/ MOSXS / Darwin it's unlikely Apple will utilize it. On the other hand it does mean that quite a few X apps will make it to MacOS X in one from or another. -mab On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, John Grant wrote:
Paul W. Abrahams said: [snip]
One kind of program that isn't available for Linux as far as I know is the equivalent of TurboTax. The trouble with income-tax programs is that they have to be updated every year, and no author of free software is going to make the effort to do that year after year. On top of that the details you have to deal with are details of IRS forms, not of programming.
I'm not worried; if Apple really is moving to a NeXT-derived OS (aka Mach, aka BSD) then before long even M$ will be basically writing _some_ of their apps for an *ix-like platform. From there it's just a relatively small step to Linux.
Personally, I'd love to see Intuit dragged into the Microsoft case somehow or other. They are aiding and abetting the Microsoft monopoly by refusing to port their software to Linux even though it would probably be profitable for them to do so.
Unless they drop Mac support as well, they -will- come around. Say what you like about Jobs, at least he knows that apps are important, so I don't think he'll let companies like Intuit get away. (In fact, now that I think about it, didn't he haul them back once already?) IMHO, the only question is when, not if, we'll see a linux version of their software.
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Of course. I'm not saying MacOS X -is- (will be?) Linux.. at the very least any GUI stuff will be different, and Mach split from BSD quite a long time ago (many ages in computer-years) so there are a number of evolutionary changes to the API there as well wrt "modern" unix kernels. In addition, Linux has a few differences of it's own beyond that. All that said however, I maintain that it will be a LOT easier to port to/from MacOS X and Linux, and with Linux users (read, paying customers) growing in number all the time, I don't see any rational reason why companies like Intuit -wouldn't- make a Linux version of their software as well, assuming they make the leap to MacOS X in the first place. With Jobs' help there, I don't see anything else that will get in the way. Hiding beind Carbon won't help much either. Eventuallly the colored boxes will be depreciated and they'll have to write native code. "Eventually" could take a while, of course. Michael Bartosh said:
Except that writing to MacOS X does not necessarily mean writing to a *BSD API. Mainstream Apps will most likely be written in Carbon- which is basically the tired old Mac ToolBox stripped of some legacy crap that is keeping it from memory protection / preemptive multitasking / symmetric multiprocessing. A smaller number of Apps will be written to Cocoa- formerly known as YellowBox, aka OpenStep- a fairly rad OO API that GNUStep is trying to implament in an Open environment. Very few mainstream Apps will probably be written to the *BSD API. The primary roadblock to having Linux benefit from MacOS X's push of un* into the main stream is that Linux tends to rely on (barf) X- MacOS X imaging revolves around a seperate model. Although J. Carmack recently ported X to MacOS X/ MOSXS / Darwin it's unlikely Apple will utilize it. On the other hand it does mean that quite a few X apps will make it to MacOS X in one from or another.
-mab
On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, John Grant wrote:
Paul W. Abrahams said: [snip]
One kind of program that isn't available for Linux as far as I know is the equivalent of TurboTax. The trouble with income-tax programs is that they have to be updated every year, and no author of free software is going to make the effort to do that year after year. On top of that the details you have to deal with are details of IRS forms, not of programming.
I'm not worried; if Apple really is moving to a NeXT-derived OS (aka Mach, aka BSD) then before long even M$ will be basically writing _some_ of their apps for an *ix-like platform. From there it's just a relatively small step to Linux.
Personally, I'd love to see Intuit dragged into the Microsoft case somehow or other. They are aiding and abetting the Microsoft monopoly by refusing to port their software to Linux even though it would probably be profitable for them to do so.
Unless they drop Mac support as well, they -will- come around. Say what you like about Jobs, at least he knows that apps are important, so I don't think he'll let companies like Intuit get away. (In fact, now that I think about it, didn't he haul them back once already?) IMHO, the only question is when, not if, we'll see a linux version of their software.
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John Grant wrote:
Paul W. Abrahams said: [snip]
One kind of program that isn't available for Linux as far as I know is the equivalent of TurboTax. The trouble with income-tax programs is that they have to be updated every year, and no author of free software is going to make the effort to do that year after year. On top of that the details you have to deal with are details of IRS forms, not of programming.
I'm not worried; if Apple really is moving to a NeXT-derived OS (aka Mach, aka BSD) then before long even M$ will be basically writing _some_ of their apps for an *ix-like platform. From there it's just a relatively small step to Linux.
Personally, I'd love to see Intuit dragged into the Microsoft case somehow or other. They are aiding and abetting the Microsoft monopoly by refusing to port their software to Linux even though it would probably be profitable for them to do so.
Unless they drop Mac support as well, they -will- come around. Say what you like about Jobs, at least he knows that apps are important, so I don't think he'll let companies like Intuit get away. (In fact, now that I think about it, didn't he haul them back once already?) IMHO, the only question is when, not if, we'll see a linux version of their software.
Your right! In fact, I believe that within the next year or two we will see ALL the major windows apps and many of the minor ones offer Linux versions. With the advent of SO, WP8, Domino, VisualAge, etc., we are seeing that trend in full bloom. So, despite what Dyroff said, Linux is ALL READY on the desktop of many, many folks, and ready for many, many more. JLK -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Jerry L Kreps wrote:
In fact, I believe that within the next year or two we will see ALL the major windows apps and many of the minor ones offer Linux versions. With the advent of SO, WP8, Domino, VisualAge, etc., we are seeing that trend in full bloom. So, despite what Dyroff said, Linux is ALL READY on the desktop of many, many folks, and ready for many, many more.
I hope you're right about that, although I'm dubious. What would really deliver a body blow to Microsoft is to have AOL team up with some hardware manufacturer to produce a Linux-based AOL machine -- and Steve Case has no love for Microsoft. It wouldn't be hard to hide all the innards of Linux and to create a seamless interface -- though we true-blue Linuxers would certainly hope that there would be a small, inconspicuous side door to let us into the real system underneath. The threat to MS would be particularly potent if AOL also started to provide web-based applications such as a word processor. If you're going for the real mass market in computing, AOL is where to look. How you or I feel about it is almost irrelevant. Paul Abrahams -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Mon, 06 Mar 2000, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
One kind of program that isn't available for Linux as far as I know is the equivalent of TurboTax. The trouble with income-tax programs is that they have to be updated every year, and no author of free software is going to make the effort to do that year after year. On top of that the details you have to deal with are details of IRS forms, not of programming.
(1) Who said this software had to be free? (2) TaxAct is, I believe, in its third year (at the very least in its second) and the basic package is downloadable for free. It's good enough for your average citizen who only needs the eighty most common federal forms. The deluxe version costs about $10. State-tax supplements are less than $15 each. (Unfortunately it's for Windows, and at present I haven't figured out how to get wine to run the *install* program.) ] > > Personally, I'd love to see Intuit dragged into the Microsoft case somehow or > other. They are aiding and abetting the Microsoft monopoly by refusing to port > their software to Linux even though it would probably be profitable for them to > do so. > > Paul Abrahams > >
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Paul W. Abrahams writes:
Jerry L Kreps wrote:
Greg Thomas wrote:
From: Jerry L Kreps
<snip>
There may be a few apps that are still not quite ready on Linux, such as Gnucash, but damn, there are excellent games now with more coming, there are several WPs with decent compatability with Word, and for a CEO to say the things he did is just selling the product short.
Greg
It was the lack of a good Quicken substitute that kept me booting Win95 once a month to balance my checkbook and bank statement. BUT, when MoneyDance 2.0 came out I tried it and found it to be an excellent package that contains everything I used in Quicken. MoneyDande doesn't do household inventory or keep your stock portfolio (there are other Linux-Unix package$ that do that) but it does all that I ever did with Quicken. So, Win95 went into my museum.
One kind of program that isn't available for Linux as far as I know is the equivalent of TurboTax. The trouble with income-tax programs is that they have
They have an online version this year, I used it with netscape for linux and it worked great. The hard-copy is spewed forth in PDF, which can then printed. All you have to pay for is the fee to file electronically. I did both my federal and state.
to be updated every year, and no author of free software is going to make the effort to do that year after year. On top of that the details you have to deal with are details of IRS forms, not of programming.
Personally, I'd love to see Intuit dragged into the Microsoft case somehow or other. They are aiding and abetting the Microsoft monopoly by refusing to port their software to Linux even though it would probably be profitable for them to do so.
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Jesse Marlin wrote: <snip>
One kind of program that isn't available for Linux as far as I know is the equivalent of TurboTax. The trouble with income-tax programs is that they have
They have an online version this year, I used it with netscape for linux and it worked great. The hard-copy is spewed forth in PDF, which can then printed. All you have to pay for is the fee to file electronically. I did both my federal and state.
Thanks for the heads up. I'll take a look and put it's URL in my bookmark folder for next year! JLK -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
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