Hi Bruce & all I've now gone thru a complete install and stopped at the page you can change the screen resolution. For this monitor I have tried all the resolutions and colour depths. I have also tried setting it as a LCD monitor with again all resution/V refresh rates for 800x600 and 1024x768. Again nothing that is useable. however, if I load the live copy of Mandriva 2007 it fires up in gnome 2.14 , with a resolution of 1024x 768 @75 Hz, but as a live copy there's no xorg.conf to read.. I've tried the same settings with SAX2 with the -V switch set to 1064x768@75 and still nothing. Not having a working version of xorg.conf, I have no working base to go from, I'm also new to Suse since a long time ago. At the worst case how do I set the X server to use the same defaults as used by the installer, at least that would be useable, or is it a case of buying a Nvidia PCI E card. I would have hoped that the Suse developers would have got the drivers for this onboard ATI thing. TIA Russ What PCIE graphic cards a known to work with Suse 10.1 ??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Marshall" To: "SLE" Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] X problems

On Saturday 05 August 2006 11:26, Russ Stewart wrote:

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Hi Its a new install of 10.1 Mobo ia an ASUS P4RD1-MX with an integrated graphics card Radeon XPRESS 200 5A41 PCIE

The initial driver was set by SAX2 as radeon which sets the wrong Vertical refresh rate, the monitor is a Medion MD7475AB, which on another OS works at 1024x 768 75 Hz.

I've tried both the xorg driver supplied with the Mobo and downloaded the ATI xorg driver, niether have made any difference. xorg.conf has now gotten a bit corupt with manual editing , trying both radeon and fglrx drivers. s So now a fresh install incase YAST will allow the X config to be tried.

can anyone recommend how to set up the video driver on this mobo

Any help appreciated, TIA

Russ

The graphics setup on 10.1 out of the box is really terrible. I spent a week diddling with it on my ATI 9200 with a 1600x1200 LCD monitor and almost gave up.

I did download and apply the ATI driver (I think) but at the time (mid-May) I don't think they had a driver for the version of Xorg that 10.1 uses.

I did get it to work but it was a matter of using old parts (my xorg.conf from 10.0) and some black magic applied.

If you have an old xorg.conf file that works, that is a good starting place but even then there is more work to do.

Let me know if you have an old one.

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On Saturday 05 August 2006 12:17, Russ Stewart wrote:

Hi Bruce & all

I've tried the same settings with SAX2 with the -V switch set to 1064x768@75 and still nothing. Not having a working version of xorg.conf, I have no working base to go from, I'm also new to Suse since a long time ago. At the worst case how do I set the X server to use the same defaults as used by the installer, at least that would be useable, or is it a case of buying a Nvidia PCI E card. I would have hoped that the Suse developers would have got the drivers for this onboard ATI thing.

Trying to recall what I did to get the ATI to work: First, the ATI drivers require as a starting point, an xorg.conf that is set to the screen size that you want to end up with. I was able to start with the xorg.conf from my 10.0 system. Then, going into SAX2 with that would cause my machine to hang.... so I had to enter SAX2 with: sax2 -l which sets it to a low resolution. This gives you a totally screwed up screen and navigating is by guess and by golly. You need to navigate around and get the setting you want, but that is mostly guess-work since you can't read the screen very well. Once you done that, you are probably all set. HOWEVER - - - - - even though after a week of work I *did* get it to work, I still went out and bought an Nvidia card for $50 and haven't looked back. I know the guy who writes the drivers for Nvidia so I have some faith that they will work... and they do.

On Saturday 05 August 2006 14:58, Russ Stewart wrote:

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I know the guy who writes the drivers for Nvidia so I have some faith that they will work... and they do.

Next installment !!!!

Mandriva 2007 does not have an /etc/X11 directory in its live mode, so I resized the /home partition and loaded MDV2007 in what was left over. Now MDV2007 uses 768x576 , an odd size, the display section of the xorg.conf file was pasted into the suse xorg.conf, and it still the mdv file is attached. so is the suse xorg.conf is also attached is a mess, screen unreadable.

It might end up with buying another card (Nvidia) Its unlike the Suse developers not to be able do something the Mandriva guys can do ! :)

Maybe true... but remember, Madriva live is doing its thing on the fly, and getting the wrong resolution but it's usable. The SuSE install is doing things on the fly for the install and it too is usable. It's when you boot the system on its own that things go bad. I was only able to get my monitor (at first) to work with 1280x1024 when it really wants to run at 1600x1200. The 1280x1024 was barely usable and looked awful.... and that's probably what you're getting out of the Mandriva live too... works but it's far from the best. BTW, please don't respond to both me and the list. I get my mail from the list like everyone else. Thanks.

Here are the relevant section of xorg.conf Mandriva xorg.conf Section "Monitor" Identifier "monitor1" VendorName "Plug'n Play" ModelName "MD7475AB" HorizSync 30-63 VertRefresh 50-76 # TV fullscreen mode or DVD fullscreen output. # 768x576 @ 79 Hz, 50 kHz hsync ModeLine "768x576" 50.00 768 832 846 1000 576 590 595 630 # 768x576 @ 100 Hz, 61.6 kHz hsync ModeLine "768x576" 63.07 768 800 960 1024 576 578 590 616 EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "device1" VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc" BoardName "ATI Radeon" Driver "ati" Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "screen1" Device "device1" Monitor "monitor1" DefaultColorDepth 16 Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Virtual 1024 768 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 15 Virtual 1024 768 EndSubsection Here is the Suse version Section "Monitor" DisplaySize 300 230 HorizSync 30-63 Identifier "Monitor[0]" ModelName "MD7475AB" Option "DPMS" VendorName "MED" VertRefresh 43-76 UseModes "Modes[0]" EndSection Section "Modes" Identifier "Modes[0]" # Modeline "1024x768" 80.71 1024 1080 1192 1360 768 769 772 802 # Modeline "1024x768" 79.52 1024 1080 1192 1360 768 769 772 801 Modeline "1024x768" 78.43 1024 1080 1192 1360 768 769 772 801 # Modeline "800x600" 48.18 800 840 920 1040 600 601 604 626 # Modeline "800x600" 47.53 800 840 920 1040 600 601 604 626 # Modeline "800x600" 46.87 800 840 920 1040 600 601 604 626 # the section below modified to the same as the mandriva xorg.conf Modeline "768x576" 50.00 768 832 846 1000 576 590 595 630 Modeline "768x576" 63.07 768 800 960 1024 576 578 590 616 EndSection ## This section altered to be the same as the modeline, not sure if it ## should be. But it didn't work when it was set to 1024x768 Section "Screen" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "768x576" #"1024x768" "800x600" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "768x576" #1024x768" #"800x600" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "768x576" #1024x768" #"800x600" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "768x576" #"1024x768" "800x600" EndSubSection Device "Device[0]" Identifier "Screen[0]" Monitor "Monitor[0]" EndSection Section "Device" BoardName "Radeon XPRESS 200 5A41 (PCIE)" BusID "1:5:0" Driver "radeon" Identifier "Device[0]" VendorName "ATI" EndSection The Mandriva script works OK on a machine loaded with MDV 2007, but not on the same machine loaded with Suse 10.1 Xorg on both Os's is version 6.9 On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 21:52 +0100, Russ Stewart wrote:

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Mandriva 2007 does not have an /etc/X11 directory in its live mode, so I resized the /home partition and loaded MDV2007 in what was left over. Now MDV2007 uses 768x576 , an odd size, the display section of the xorg.conf file was pasted into the suse xorg.conf, and it still the mdv file is attached. so is the suse xorg.conf is also attached is a mess, screen unreadable.

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Well I've tried every V refresh rate in 1 Hz steps from 68Hz to 95 Hz after that its out of range for that monitor. Xorg.log shows the correct driver is being used, but looking down the log at the resolution list, ther is nothing like the resolution of 768x576 that Mandriva are using. I dont know my way around the xorg config enough so far, one for a guru. LSMOD shows a atiagp module loaded , should it be ???..

Thoughts ?? Russ

Any help really appreciated Richard ( was Russ when I was at his house trying to get it to work)

On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 18:17 -0400, Bruce Marshall wrote:

On Saturday 05 August 2006 17:57, Richard Bown wrote:

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Here are the relevant section of xorg.conf

Mandriva xorg.conf Section "Monitor" Identifier "monitor1" VendorName "Plug'n Play" ModelName "MD7475AB" HorizSync 30-63 VertRefresh 50-76

# TV fullscreen mode or DVD fullscreen output. # 768x576 @ 79 Hz, 50 kHz hsync ModeLine "768x576" 50.00 768 832 846 1000 576 590 595 630

Well, I'm sorry but the video problems with 10.1 are too much to really debug on the list (at least for me)

Is there a developers list ?

You're showing a resolution of 768x576 above which is a weird resolution that I have never heard of and yet you say your monitor wants 1024x768. And your point is???

I think you may have missed it Bruce. Xorg is common to both Suse and Mandriva, probably debian, redhat, fedora, and all the other smaller distributions that haven't been swallowed up by the major players. The config files for it will be very similar across the distributions as well. If the Mandriva utility harddrake found a resolution of 768x576 functional and produced a usable display, I'm not going to argue with it. SAX2 has not found anything at all usable, apart from maybe a carpet pattern design. In fact I think SAX is a waste of space, what is the point of starting a utility such as SAX from a console only to pass it straight to X, when the X server is producing an unreadable display

Where are you headed and what has all of this Mandriva xorg have to do with it?

See earlier postings

It's a bad situation which 10.1 brought about and as I said, it took me a full week of fiddling to get it straight, and even then I quickly bailed to an easier solution.

Just can't be done by email in my opinion.

No comment Any X gurus out there ? TIA Richard

On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 19:08 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Richard Bown [08-05-06 19:05]:

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Is there a developers list ?

not a "developers" list, but: suse-xfree86

Thanks I'll subscribe to it Richard

On Aug 05, 06 14:27:09 -0400, Bruce Marshall wrote:

I know the guy who writes the drivers for Nvidia so I have some faith that they will work... and they do.

I don't think so. Nvidia has a *team* of developers for Linux. There's not a single guy. Matthias -- Matthias Hopf , SuSE labs, Zimmer 3.2.06, Tel. 74053-715

On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 16:54:51 PM -0400, Ken Schneider (suse-list2@bout-tyme.net) wrote:

On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 22:27 +0200, M. Fioretti wrote:

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Hello,

PLEASE do not simply hit reply to a message, change the subject line and post your own request for help. This screws up the "threading" that many of us use to read the emails posted to this list.

Ken, you are absolutely right, sorry. I hate when others do that. This time, being really sleepy, I hit the wrong button. :-( Marco -- Marco Fioretti mfioretti, at the server mclink.it Fedora Core 3 for low memory http://www.rule-project.org/ Non si vive se non il tempo che si ama. C. A. Helvetius