Well, I have finally gotten to the place where I am frustrated with Linux. Why? Because, a couple of weeks ago I purchased a CDRW drive. The MAIN reason I purchased it was to store all of the Linux stuff I download off of the internet. Well, after getting it installed and functioning, I set about to learn how to use it (burn CDs). I learned how to use mkisofs and cdrecord, and Xcdroast. (I also have Win Me installed on my machine.) Adaptec Easy CD Creator and Direct CD came with my drive, and with Direct Cd I can format a CD in UDF format and write/read/erase files to a CDRW disc with no problems. I thought, cool, this is what I want to do in Linux. When I set about to learn how to do this in Linux, I was very disappointed to learn that UDF is at best a kernel patch to get it functioning. Yes, I know read support is in the kernel options, if I want to recompile the kernel, but not write support. I want to use my CDRW like a big floppy, but I can't in Linux. I want to USE Linux, not spend all of my time hacking it or recompiling the kernel. I am an end user, not a hacker. I have real work to get done and I'd LIKE to use Linux to get that work done. Sorry, but I have to use what works without having to spend a lot of time getting it working. I have been using Linux now for about one year, and have come to love it. However, this is a very frustrating roadblock for me. Unless someone can show me how to use my CDRW store/read/write/erase individual files onto my CDRW disks easily (Like DirectCD does in Windows Me)I may have to abandom Linux for the time being. I don't know anything about UDF, or how long the tecnology has been released, but I would think the Linux community would have better support for it than it does buy this time. Please help me stay with the Penguin, jvb
Hi Jerry, I don't have any easy solutions, except to suggest not to use UDF. In my experience with UDF (in Win 98), I found it rather slow and unreliable (it ruined several CD-R's on me). I dunno if this is the standard experience, but I've found it much easier to just use Easy CD Creator to create a normal CD. I believe there are many good GUI apps to do this kind of thing for you. Another not-quite-elegant solution would be to take an old PC you own (P150 or better, I'd say), and install the CD-RW on it. Then install Windows 9x, and DirectCD. Finally network it with you main Linux box, and use samba to write to the CD - I think that would work. It might also just pay to sit it out, Linux is gaining support rapidly right now, I can't imagine it being long before it supports UDF in the normal kernel. Finally, you might do a search on Freshmeat to see if there are any UDF writting apps. Perhaps you could find something that might not mount it like a floppy, but would let you easily add and remove files in a file manager-like interface. -Tim On Monday 30 April 2001 08:43 pm, you wrote:
Well, I have finally gotten to the place where I am frustrated with Linux. Why? Because, a couple of weeks ago I purchased a CDRW drive. The MAIN reason I purchased it was to store all of the Linux stuff I download off of the internet. Well, after getting it installed and functioning, I set about to learn how to use it (burn CDs). I learned how to use mkisofs and cdrecord, and Xcdroast. (I also have Win Me installed on my machine.) Adaptec Easy CD Creator and Direct CD came with my drive, and with Direct Cd I can format a CD in UDF format and write/read/erase files to a CDRW disc with no problems. I thought, cool, this is what I want to do in Linux. When I set about to learn how to do this in Linux, I was very disappointed to learn that UDF is at best a kernel patch to get it functioning. Yes, I know read support is in the kernel options, if I want to recompile the kernel, but not write support. I want to use my CDRW like a big floppy, but I can't in Linux. I want to USE Linux, not spend all of my time hacking it or recompiling the kernel. I am an end user, not a hacker. I have real work to get done and I'd LIKE to use Linux to get that work done. Sorry, but I have to use what works without having to spend a lot of time getting it working. I have been using Linux now for about one year, and have come to love it. However, this is a very frustrating roadblock for me. Unless someone can show me how to use my CDRW store/read/write/erase individual files onto my CDRW disks easily (Like DirectCD does in Windows Me)I may have to abandom Linux for the time being. I don't know anything about UDF, or how long the tecnology has been released, but I would think the Linux community would have better support for it than it does buy this time.
Please help me stay with the Penguin,
jvb
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Hi Jerry, I don't have any easy solutions, except to suggest not to use UDF. In my experience with UDF (in Win 98), I found it rather slow and unreliable (it ruined several CD-R's on me). I dunno if this is the standard experience, but I've found it much easier to just use Easy CD Creator to create a normal CD. I believe there are many good GUI apps to do this kind of thing for you. Another not-quite-elegant solution would be to take an old PC you own (P150 or better, I'd say), and install the CD-RW on it. Then install Windows 9x, and DirectCD. Finally network it with you main Linux box, and use samba to write to the CD - I think that would work. It might also just pay to sit it out, Linux is gaining support rapidly right now, I can't imagine it being long before it supports UDF in the normal kernel. Finally, you might do a search on Freshmeat to see if there are any UDF writting apps. Perhaps you could find something that might not mount it
I have the similar problem on DirectCD, I use it on Lose98 and I just leave it as it is. Your idea on using another old PC sound great, I am going to give it a kick later. : ) Somehow, writing CD under Linux is still a 'big' pain to me (sorry but it's true for me). When I use the SCSI Yamaha 16w10rw40r with Xcdroast, it work ok but it missed multi-sessions support. : ( When I try to do it on my Plexwriter 12w10rw32r IDE at home, it gives me quite a bit of headache. : ( I have another Samsung 8432 IDE also having the similar problem, and I guess my skill is still need to be upgraded to deal with this. : ) Now, anyone know anything on multi-session support under Linux? to me, this is important to save some media. Thanks and have a nice holiday. : ) Dennis/sg like
a floppy, but would let you easily add and remove files in a file manager-like interface.
-Tim
On Monday 30 April 2001 08:43 pm, you wrote:
Well, I have finally gotten to the place where I am frustrated with Linux. Why? Because, a couple of weeks ago I purchased a CDRW drive. The MAIN reason I purchased it was to store all of the Linux stuff I download off of the internet. Well, after getting it installed and functioning, I set about to learn how to use it (burn CDs). I learned how to use mkisofs and cdrecord, and Xcdroast. (I also have Win Me installed on my machine.) Adaptec Easy CD Creator and Direct CD came with my drive, and with Direct Cd I can format a CD in UDF format and write/read/erase files to a CDRW disc with no problems. I thought, cool, this is what I want to do in Linux. When I set about to learn how to do this in Linux, I was very disappointed to learn that UDF is at best a kernel patch to get it functioning. Yes, I know read support is in the kernel options, if I want to recompile the kernel, but not write support. I want to use my CDRW like a big floppy, but I can't in Linux. I want to USE Linux, not spend all of my time hacking it or recompiling the kernel. I am an end user, not a hacker. I have real work to get done and I'd LIKE to use Linux to get that work done. Sorry, but I have to use what works without having to spend a lot of time getting it working. I have been using Linux now for about one year, and have come to love it. However, this is a very frustrating roadblock for me. Unless someone can show me how to use my CDRW store/read/write/erase individual files onto my CDRW disks easily (Like DirectCD does in Windows Me)I may have to abandom Linux for the time being. I don't know anything about UDF, or how long the tecnology has been released, but I would think the Linux community would have better support for it than it does buy this time.
Please help me stay with the Penguin,
jvb
Check out gtoaster at http://sourceforge.net/projects/gtoaster It is much much nicer than Xcdroast is, imho. Have some fun! -Steven On Tuesday 01 May 2001 01:11 am, Dennis wrote:
I have the similar problem on DirectCD, I use it on Lose98 and I just leave it as it is. Your idea on using another old PC sound great, I am going to give it a kick later. : )
Somehow, writing CD under Linux is still a 'big' pain to me (sorry but it's true for me). When I use the SCSI Yamaha 16w10rw40r with Xcdroast, it work ok but it missed multi-sessions support. : (
When I try to do it on my Plexwriter 12w10rw32r IDE at home, it gives me quite a bit of headache. : ( I have another Samsung 8432 IDE also having the similar problem, and I guess my skill is still need to be upgraded to deal with this. : )
Now, anyone know anything on multi-session support under Linux? to me, this is important to save some media.
Thanks and have a nice holiday. : ) Dennis/sg
Hi Jerry, I don't have any easy solutions, except to suggest not to use UDF. In my experience with UDF (in Win 98), I found it rather slow and unreliable (it ruined several CD-R's on me). I dunno if this is the standard experience,
but
I've found it much easier to just use Easy CD Creator to create a normal
CD.
I believe there are many good GUI apps to do this kind of thing for you. Another not-quite-elegant solution would be to take an old PC you own
(P150
or better, I'd say), and install the CD-RW on it. Then install Windows 9x, and DirectCD. Finally network it with you main Linux box, and use samba to write to the CD - I think that would work. It might also just pay to sit it out, Linux is gaining support rapidly right now, I can't imagine it being long before it supports UDF in the
normal
kernel. Finally, you might do a search on Freshmeat to see if there are any UDF writting apps. Perhaps you could find something that might not mount it
like
a floppy, but would let you easily add and remove files in a file manager-like interface.
-Tim
On Monday 30 April 2001 08:43 pm, you wrote:
Well, I have finally gotten to the place where I am frustrated with Linux. Why? Because, a couple of weeks ago I purchased a CDRW drive. The MAIN reason I purchased it was to store all of the Linux stuff I download off of the internet. Well, after getting it installed and functioning, I set about to learn how to use it (burn CDs). I learned how to use mkisofs and cdrecord, and Xcdroast. (I also have Win Me installed on my machine.) Adaptec Easy CD Creator and Direct CD came with my drive, and with Direct Cd I can format a CD in UDF format and write/read/erase files to a CDRW disc with no problems. I thought, cool, this is what I want to do in Linux. When I set about to learn how to do this in Linux, I was very disappointed to learn that UDF is at best a kernel patch to get it functioning. Yes, I know read support is in the kernel options, if I want to recompile the kernel, but not write support. I want to use my CDRW like a big floppy, but I can't in Linux. I want to USE Linux, not spend all of my time hacking it or recompiling the kernel. I am an end user, not a hacker. I have real work to get done and I'd LIKE to use Linux to get that work done. Sorry, but I have to use what works without having to spend a lot of time getting it working. I have been using Linux now for about one year, and have come to love it. However, this is a very frustrating roadblock for me. Unless someone can show me how to use my CDRW store/read/write/erase individual files onto my CDRW disks easily (Like DirectCD does in Windows Me)I may have to abandom Linux for the time being. I don't know anything about UDF, or how long the tecnology has been released, but I would think the Linux community would have better support for it than it does buy this time.
Please help me stay with the Penguin,
jvb
Any known trouble if I use it under KDE2.1.1? Dennis/sg
Check out gtoaster at http://sourceforge.net/projects/gtoaster It is much much nicer than Xcdroast is, imho.
Have some fun! -Steven
Hi
Any known trouble if I use it under KDE2.1.1?
Check out gtoaster at http://sourceforge.net/projects/gtoaster It is much much nicer than Xcdroast is, imho.
Works fine on my desktop :) If you get a bit stuck then try ......... http://sites.inka.de/~W1752/cdrecord/frontend.en.html Since you are using KDE 2.1.1 then you might be interested in this.... http://www.koncd.de/ Thanks -- Richard http://www.sheflug.co.uk
* Richard Ibbotson (richard@sheflug.co.uk) [010501 12:34]: }=}Hi }=} }=}> Any known trouble if I use it under KDE2.1.1? }=}> > Check out gtoaster at http://sourceforge.net/projects/gtoaster }=}> > It is much much nicer than Xcdroast is, imho. }=} }=} }=}Works fine on my desktop :) If you get a bit stuck then try ......... }=} }=}http://sites.inka.de/~W1752/cdrecord/frontend.en.html }=} }=}Since you are using KDE 2.1.1 then you might be interested in this.... }=} }=}http://www.koncd.de/ As long as you have the required libs and the bloody thing doesn't try to start a Gnome panel..you should be fine. I run plenty of GTK apps under KDE..I may like KDE2 better then Gnome at this point..but when I was running gnome I found quite a few apps that I just can't part with. *grin* -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.
Hi Jerry: On Monday 30 April 2001 20:43, you wrote:
I don't know anything about UDF, or how long the tecnology has been released, but I would think the Linux community would have better support for it than it does buy this time.
Please help me stay with the Penguin,
Basically SuSE is handling four projects at once. 1) New Kernel 2) New KDE desktop 3) New Xfree86 4.x 4) New LSB compliant file system. It may very well be that you will have to wait for the next SuSE release for all features to be easily useable. I think SuSE is doing a fine job at juggling all these projects. I compare the present inconveniences to my (happily) brief experience with M$ Windows 3.1 and I must say SuSE is doing a a much better job at managing these new technologies. My advice is to be patient and not insist on "bug for bug" compatibility with Windows. -- Cheers, Jonathan
Specifically due to my requirements of the burning CD's issue,
I purchased a cheap Hi-Val DVD drive, and then a nice SCSI Plextor CDR
for burning. Both work flawlessly and the Plextor is one rock solid drive.
I use a SCSI-3 Plextor for fast reading connected to my 68pin bus. The IDE DVD
to IDE bus and the CD hooked to 50pin bus.
See :
<
<4> Vendor: PLEXTOR Model: CD-R PX-R820T Rev: 1.03
<4> Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
<4>Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0
<6>(scsi0:0:8:0) Synchronous at 40.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8.
<4> Vendor: PLEXTOR Model: CD-ROM PX-40TW Rev: 1.01
<4> Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
<4>hdd: ATAPI 40X DVD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache
This works excellent under SuSE with xcdroast. Now I can use the DVD single disk for SuSE
and burn at will.
Regards
Jerry Van Brimmer
Well, I have finally gotten to the place where I am frustrated with Linux. Why? Because, a couple of weeks ago I purchased a CDRW drive. The MAIN reason I purchased it was to store all of the Linux stuff I download off of the internet. Well, after getting it installed and functioning, I set about to learn how to use it (burn CDs). I learned how to use mkisofs and cdrecord, and Xcdroast. (I also have Win Me installed on my machine.) Adaptec Easy CD Creator and Direct CD came with my drive, and with Direct Cd I can format a CD in UDF format and write/read/erase files to a CDRW disc with no problems. I thought, cool, this is what I want to do in Linux. When I set about to learn how to do this in Linux, I was very disappointed to learn that UDF is at best a kernel patch to get it functioning. Yes, I know read support is in the kernel options, if I want to recompile the kernel, but not write support. I want to use my CDRW like a big floppy, but I can't in Linux. I want to USE Linux, not spend all of my time hacking it or recompiling the kernel. I am an end user, not a hacker. I have real work to get done and I'd LIKE to use Linux to get that work done. Sorry, but I have to use what works without having to spend a lot of time getting it working. I have been using Linux now for about one year, and have come to love it. However, this is a very frustrating roadblock for me. Unless someone can show me how to use my CDRW store/read/write/erase individual files onto my CDRW disks easily (Like DirectCD does in Windows Me)I may have to abandom Linux for the time being. I don't know anything about UDF, or how long the tecnology has been released, but I would think the Linux community would have better support for it than it does buy this time.
Please help me stay with the Penguin,
jvb
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On Monday 30 April 2001 09:43 pm, you wrote:
Well, I have finally gotten to the place where I am frustrated with Linux. Why? Because, a couple of weeks ago I purchased a CDRW drive. The MAIN reason I purchased it was to store all of the Linux stuff I download off of the internet. Well, after getting it installed and functioning, I set about to learn how to use it (burn CDs). I learned how to use mkisofs and cdrecord, and Xcdroast. (I also have Win Me installed on my machine.) Adaptec Easy CD Creator and Direct CD came with my drive, and with Direct Cd I can format a CD in UDF format and write/read/erase files to a CDRW disc with no problems. I thought, cool, this is what I want to do in Linux. When I set about to learn how to do this in Linux, I was very disappointed to learn that UDF is at best a kernel patch to get it functioning. Yes, I know read support is in the kernel options, if I want to recompile the kernel, but not write support. I want to use my CDRW like a big floppy, but I can't in Linux. I want to USE Linux, not spend all of my time hacking it or recompiling the kernel. I am an end user, not a hacker. I have real work to get done and I'd LIKE to use Linux to get that work done. Sorry, but I have to use what works without having to spend a lot of time getting it working. I have been using Linux now for about one year, and have come to love it. However, this is a very frustrating roadblock for me. Unless someone can show me how to use my CDRW store/read/write/erase individual files onto my CDRW disks easily (Like DirectCD does in Windows Me)I may have to abandom Linux for the time being. I don't know anything about UDF, or how long the tecnology has been released, but I would think the Linux community would have better support for it than it does buy this time.
Please help me stay with the Penguin,
jvb
Dear Jerry, I know exactly how you feel! I've felt the same way for a whole week now.. but let me tell you a story. About 8 days ago, I shelled out $450 for 2 things: 1 Belkin PCI FireWire Card and 1 Yamaha 16/10/40 External FireWire CDRW drive Why this card/drive? Don't ask, it's complicated. Anyways, I was determined to get it to work on my SuSE 7.1 box. I compiled the ieee1394 (FireWire) stuff into modules and started working with it. That lasted all of about 15 seconds. Nothing worked. Box locked up when I did simple things like insmod the modules. Boy was I frustrated. Sound familiar? Well, I decided that hey.. this is Linux, and Linux users don't get frustrated, they get involved! So I joined the Linux1394 FireWire Mailing list located on or around the page: http://linux1394.sourceforge.net/faq.html (this is from my bookmarks ;-) and started sending out feeler emails.. trying to see if I could get some help. Over the next 3 days, I didn't receive much of anything, just a "try this" and a "try that".. it seemed like it was going very slowly, and I became worried. Then today, I received an email asking me how I was doing with it. I replied back "not too good" and then the best thing happened.. a conversation via email ... back and forth .. try this .. didn't work... try that... didn't work, but this happened and it's not longer doing this or that.. ok, good, now try this. Within a couple of hours, I had a fully working Yamaha CDRW drive! The first one that they have seen working, might I add. Now I can go about my business as an end user and know that not only did I contribute to the process, but that the process contributed to me. On no other operating system can you get this level of support. Not for free, and most likely not for any price. UDF? It'll happen. Especially if you get involved. Have a great night. -Steven
Dear Jerry, I know exactly how you feel! I've felt the same way for a whole week now.. but let me tell you a story.
About 8 days ago, I shelled out $450 for 2 things: 1 Belkin PCI FireWire Card and 1 Yamaha 16/10/40 External FireWire CDRW drive
Why this card/drive? Don't ask, it's complicated.
Anyways, I was determined to get it to work on my SuSE 7.1 box. I compiled the ieee1394 (FireWire) stuff into modules and started working with it. That lasted all of about 15 seconds. Nothing worked. Box locked up when I did simple things like insmod the modules.
Boy was I frustrated. Sound familiar?
Well, I decided that hey.. this is Linux, and Linux users don't get frustrated, they get involved!
So I joined the Linux1394 FireWire Mailing list located on or around the
Steven, do yourself and all of us a favour, buy yourself a nice beer. : ) So nice and great to know another success story for Linux. Dennis/sg page:
http://linux1394.sourceforge.net/faq.html (this is from my bookmarks ;-)
and started sending out feeler emails.. trying to see if I could get some help.
Over the next 3 days, I didn't receive much of anything, just a "try this" and a "try that".. it seemed like it was going very slowly, and I became worried.
Then today, I received an email asking me how I was doing with it. I replied back "not too good" and then the best thing happened.. a conversation via email ... back and forth .. try this .. didn't work... try that... didn't work, but this happened and it's not longer doing this or that.. ok, good, now try this.
Within a couple of hours, I had a fully working Yamaha CDRW drive! The first one that they have seen working, might I add.
Now I can go about my business as an end user and know that not only did I contribute to the process, but that the process contributed to me.
On no other operating system can you get this level of support. Not for free, and most likely not for any price.
UDF? It'll happen. Especially if you get involved.
Have a great night. -Steven
-----Original Message----- From: Steven Hatfield [mailto:ashari@knightswood.net] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:35 PM To: Jerry Van Brimmer Cc: SuSE Mailing List Subject: Re: [SLE] Frustrated with Linux jvb Dear Jerry, I know exactly how you feel! I've felt the same way for a whole week now.. but let me tell you a story. About 8 days ago, I shelled out $450 for 2 things: 1 Belkin PCI FireWire Card and 1 Yamaha 16/10/40 External FireWire CDRW drive Why this card/drive? Don't ask, it's complicated. Anyways, I was determined to get it to work on my SuSE 7.1 box. I compiled the ieee1394 (FireWire) stuff into modules and started working with it. That lasted all of about 15 seconds. Nothing worked. Box locked up when I did simple things like insmod the modules. Boy was I frustrated. Sound familiar? Well, I decided that hey.. this is Linux, and Linux users don't get frustrated, they get involved! So I joined the Linux1394 FireWire Mailing list located on or around the page: http://linux1394.sourceforge.net/faq.html (this is from my bookmarks ;-) and started sending out feeler emails.. trying to see if I could get some help. Over the next 3 days, I didn't receive much of anything, just a "try this" and a "try that".. it seemed like it was going very slowly, and I became worried. Then today, I received an email asking me how I was doing with it. I replied back "not too good" and then the best thing happened.. a conversation via email ... back and forth .. try this .. didn't work... try that... didn't work, but this happened and it's not longer doing this or that.. ok, good, now try this. Within a couple of hours, I had a fully working Yamaha CDRW drive! The first one that they have seen working, might I add. Now I can go about my business as an end user and know that not only did I contribute to the process, but that the process contributed to me. On no other operating system can you get this level of support. Not for free, and most likely not for any price. UDF? It'll happen. Especially if you get involved. Have a great night. -Steven That's Great! I love to hear stories about that kind of stuff. I work for an automotive company and I have windows machine's everywhere! The only thing running unix, witch I'm not able to do anything with is are server running the reynolds & reynolds system. (anybody know any good hacks for Reynolds?) I got my DSL up and running at home for linux by looking around for info on the newsgroups and the email lists. There's a lot of help out there just keep looking. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the archives at http://lists.suse.com
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