On 20/11/09 00:30, lynn wrote:

On Thursday 19 November 2009 13:59:49 Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 19/11/09 23:30, lynn wrote:

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I see that I can have a usb live cd:

http://en.opensuse.org/Live_USB_stick

Can I use these same instructions for a dvd iso? Or is it only for CD iso's

Thanks L.

Your Subject heading states "live usb *dvd*" [my emphasis) but the body of your posts asks about "I can have a live cd".

So, which is it? :-)

BC

I want a live dvd

I don't think that such an animal exists. Having a "live" DVD of 4.3GB is kinda defeating the purpose of a "Live" CD which is only <700MB. Put the Live *CD* on a USB and use that - but bearing in mind that if you then want to INSTALL oS from the USB it will access the Internet to get all the files not on the CD. BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 19 November 2009 15:14:21 Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 11/19/2009 03:10 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Your Subject heading states "live usb *dvd*" [my emphasis) but the body of your posts asks about "I can have a live cd".

So, which is it? :-)

I want a live dvd

I don't think that such an animal exists.

Having a "live" DVD of 4.3GB is kinda defeating the purpose of a "Live" CD which is only <700MB.

Put the Live *CD* on a USB and use that - but bearing in mind that if you then want to INSTALL oS from the USB it will access the Internet to get all the files not on the CD.

Thus, for installation, it is more interesting a "live" dvd. The loaded image can be small, but it would have all the rpms there for installation.

But I don't see why it has be a live cd or dvd on usb, which is read-only. Wouldn't it be better an ext3 on usb?

Hi Any filesystem would do so long as it had most of the files. The reason it's more interesting is that it would be much quicker than zypper dup with only Internet connection speed to rely upon. A recent zypper dup -d and zypper dup took over 6 hours on a netbook that doesn't have a dvd drive. Booting from a like kde cd gives it only a few files. The rest have to be downloaded. That's ok if you have a fast connection and you have the knowledge of how to get e.g. broadcom wireless working. Saludos L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 19 November 2009 16:02:02 Greg Freemyer wrote:

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Thus, for installation, it is more interesting a "live" dvd. The loaded image can be small, but it would have all the rpms there for installation.

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Hi Any filesystem would do so long as it had most of the files. The reason it's more interesting is that it would be much quicker than zypper dup with only Internet connection speed to rely upon. A recent zypper dup -d and zypper dup took over 6 hours on a netbook that doesn't have a dvd drive. Booting from a like kde cd gives it only a few files. The rest have to be downloaded. That's ok if you have a fast connection and you have the knowledge of how to get e.g. broadcom wireless working. Saludos L x

Lynn,

For your situation I think zypper dup straight from the DVD is the solution. I don't think it is documented anywhere, but you can:

Follow the instructions at http://en.opensuse.org/Upgrade

And when it tells you to add the OS 11.2 online repos, add the OS 11.2 DVD as a repo instead.

If it works (and I can't think of a reason it would not), please update the Upgrade page to discuss using the DVD as the repo as an option.

Good Luck Greg

Thanks. I'd like to do that but what if the netbook doen't have a dvd drive? That's why I'd like a bootable dvd usb memory. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:12 AM, lynn wrote:

On Thursday 19 November 2009 16:02:02 Greg Freemyer wrote:

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Thus, for installation, it is more interesting a "live" dvd. The loaded  image can be small, but it would have all the rpms there for installation.

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Hi Any filesystem would do so long as it had most of the files. The reason it's more interesting is that it would be much quicker than zypper dup with only Internet connection speed to rely upon. A recent zypper dup -d and zypper dup took over 6 hours on a netbook that doesn't have a dvd drive. Booting from a like kde cd gives it only a few files. The rest have to be downloaded. That's ok if you have a fast connection and you have the knowledge of how to get e.g. broadcom wireless working. Saludos L x

Lynn,

For your situation I think zypper dup straight from the DVD is the solution.  I don't think it is documented anywhere, but you can:

Follow the instructions at http://en.opensuse.org/Upgrade

And when it tells you to add the OS 11.2 online repos, add the OS 11.2 DVD as a repo instead.

If it works (and I can't think of a reason it would not), please update the Upgrade page to discuss using the DVD as the repo as an option.

Good Luck Greg

Thanks. I'd like to do that but what if the netbook doen't have a dvd drive? That's why I'd like a bootable dvd usb memory. L x

Lynn, Note that nothing in my advice involved "booting" the dvd, just mounting it. So making a mountable USB thumb drive with the 11.2 repos from the DVD should be possible in lots of ways. Possibly the easiest is just copy the repo directory from the DVD to the thumb drive. Then point zypper at it and zypper dup. (I have not tested this, but I can't see why this would fail.) Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 20/11/09 01:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 11/19/2009 03:10 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Your Subject heading states "live usb *dvd*" [my emphasis) but the body of your posts asks about "I can have a live cd".

So, which is it? :-)

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I want a live dvd

I don't think that such an animal exists.

Having a "live" DVD of 4.3GB is kinda defeating the purpose of a "Live" CD which is only <700MB.

Put the Live *CD* on a USB and use that - but bearing in mind that if you then want to INSTALL oS from the USB it will access the Internet to get all the files not on the CD.

Thus, for installation, it is more interesting a "live" dvd. The loaded image can be small, but it would have all the rpms there for installation.

To me this makes sense, but I suspect that one doesn't have too much DVD space to fool around with to be able to provide the coding to make it "live". As it is, there was a discussion about could be dropped from the DVD because space now is at a premium. No such problem with a CD where you simply only have to provide the basic apps to make oS run in "live" mode - and then use the Internet to install the software which 'you' want should you decide to install it.

But I don't see why it has be a live cd or dvd on usb, which is read-only. Wouldn't it be better an ext3 on usb?

Dunno. Ask the OP. I have never (well, not seriously that is) considered using a USB for such a purpose so cannot answer this. BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 21/11/09 07:20, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 11/20/2009 05:15 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 20/11/09 01:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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But I don't see why it has be a live cd or dvd on usb, which is read-only. Wouldn't it be better an ext3 on usb?

Dunno. Ask the OP. I have never (well, not seriously that is) considered using a USB for such a purpose so cannot answer this.

The OP is not a dev, and only a dev or packager can answer that question.

Oh, I thought that you were giving Lynn a choice of which she would prefer :-) :-) . BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 21/11/09 12:10, lynn wrote:

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The OP is not a dev, and only a dev or packager can answer that question.

Oh, I thought that you were giving Lynn a choice of which she would prefer :-) :-) .

BC

Lynn would prefer to be in sales, wear high heels and let someone else do the installations. As it is I'm doing well enough and learning my new job mainly from this list and my own failures. I install a netbook. The wireless never works with openSUSE so I install kubuntu instead which does but I have no idea of how apt get works yet. It is I feel only madwifi and broadcom which prevent my success with openSUSE. And in Spain, Linux is a dirty word. Tell them what you are doing and they will immediately tell you that your printer, wireless and webcam wil never work with linux. My 0.02 Euros L x

Over to you, Carlos. (Carlos E R is in Spain...... :-) ) BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Over to you, Carlos. (Carlos E R is in Spain...... :-) )

Linux a dirty word here? I'm lost, I don't understand. You mean an expletive?

No. Simply can't believe you when you tell him.

If you mean that if you go asking on a shop for linux support on a printer or whatever, they look like they don't know what you are talking about or directly say no, sorry, yes that's true. Does not that happen every where?

We reinstall install windows computers that either have a virus or are going to be too much for their owners to pay what the shop costs to do it for them. Shops seem to want to make as much money as us. e.g. 200 Euros for a new hard drive and reinstallation of XP. And lose all your data. ¡Por favor! Saludos de Alacant L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 20/11/09 02:27, DenverD wrote:

Basil Chupin wrote:

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lynn wrote: I want a live dvd

I don't think that such an animal exists.

sure that animal exist, Knoppix has had one on the streets for several years..

DenverD

Very nice to know, thanks for this, DenverD. But me thinks Lynn question is specifically directed at openSUSE and not broadly at all the other available distros. (BUT, didn't SuSE some years ago have a "live" DVD available? One which I *think* I remember buying with a Linux-related magazine. Or am I simply dreaming? (more than likely :-) )) BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 20/11/09 17:39, DenverD wrote:

Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 20/11/09 02:27, DenverD wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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lynn wrote: I want a live dvd

I don't think that such an animal exists.

sure that animal exist, Knoppix has had one on the streets for several years..

DenverD

Very nice to know, thanks for this, DenverD.

But me thinks Lynn question is specifically directed at openSUSE and not broadly at all the other available distros.

(BUT, didn't SuSE some years ago have a "live" DVD available? One which I *think* I remember buying with a Linux-related magazine. Or am I simply dreaming? (more than likely :-) ))

yep (now that you mention it i look and see) my openSUSE 10.3 disk from "Linux Magazine" is right on top of my machine--it says "Double-sided DVD, Includes 32-bit, 64-bit, and live versions"...

I thought so. But then this was at a time when only M$ was the only contender to acquire the description of being "bloatware". BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 20/11/09 20:34, Clayton wrote:

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lynn wrote: I want a live dvd

I don't think that such an animal exists.

sure that animal exist, Knoppix has had one on the streets for several years..

DenverD

Very nice to know, thanks for this, DenverD.

But me thinks Lynn question is specifically directed at openSUSE and not broadly at all the other available distros.

(BUT, didn't SuSE some years ago have a "live" DVD available? One which I *think* I remember buying with a Linux-related magazine. Or am I simply dreaming? (more than likely :-) ))

No one has asked this question yet (that I've seen).... why does it have to be a "Live DVD"? Why can't the DVD ISO be simply copied to the USB device (assuming a 4+GB USB device) and made bootable? Why are we (as in the openSUSE project) still providing ONLY an DVD ISO... why aren't we providing/making a DVD USB image?

There is this very messy, ugly, and unfriendly procedure: http://en.opensuse.org/SuSE_install_from_USB_drive

There is this handy tool with makes the process much more palatable http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ and is in the Community repos. I've used this and it works perfectly for Ubuntu ISOs, but for some reason when I push an openSUSE ISO through it, it creates a bootable USB device, but part way though the boot cycle it fails... I've never bothered to figure out why (I was in a hurry and ended up using a bodged solution involving a SATA DVD drive and a stripped doen external hard drive case).

Anyway... might this be actually what Lynn is looking for?

C.

A most excellent point you make and ask a very pertinent question! I suspect that this is exactly what Lynn is looking for. BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 20 November 2009 13:37:26 lynn wrote:

I just want to use this command: dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M for a dvd iso instead of a cd iso to create a bootable dvd on a usb stick.on /dev/sd

I have done that recently, but it won't work unless your PC is able to see the USB as a DVD. In order to create a bootable USB, after copying data, you need to use mksusebootdisk. Try to search with Google for the detailed procedure. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 10:34 +0100, Clayton wrote:

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lynn wrote: I want a live dvd

I don't think that such an animal exists.

sure that animal exist, Knoppix has had one on the streets for several years..

DenverD

Very nice to know, thanks for this, DenverD.

But me thinks Lynn question is specifically directed at openSUSE and not broadly at all the other available distros.

(BUT, didn't SuSE some years ago have a "live" DVD available? One which I *think* I remember buying with a Linux-related magazine. Or am I simply dreaming? (more than likely :-) ))

No one has asked this question yet (that I've seen).... why does it have to be a "Live DVD"? Why can't the DVD ISO be simply copied to the USB device (assuming a 4+GB USB device) and made bootable? Why are we (as in the openSUSE project) still providing ONLY an DVD ISO... why aren't we providing/making a DVD USB image?

Isn't that what suse studio is meant for? http://susestudio.com/ hw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Isn't that what  suse studio is meant for? http://susestudio.com/

Probably, but... "SUSE Studio is currently available to invited users only"  You must have an invite... it's still a private party (I happen to have an ID there, but not all users will/do).

Also... you cannot (yet) make an 11.2 appliance there (at least not that I can see). So.. it's not all that useful to me... and I assume does not fulfill Lynn's needs either since... again, assuming here... Lynn wants an 11.2 USB based installer. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Greg Freemyer [11-20-09 13:56]:

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Clayton wrote:

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Probably, but... "SUSE Studio is currently available to invited users only"  You must have an invite... it's still a private party (I happen to have an ID there, but not all users will/do).

They said recently that it is only taking about 8 hrs from a random person asking for an invite and them getting it, so it is not very restricted anymore.

It has deteriorated dramatically, down to three minutes :^) -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 22 November 2009 00:31:33 Bob Williams wrote:

On Friday 20 November 2009 04:29:26 Basil Chupin wrote:

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(BUT, didn't SuSE some years ago have a "live" DVD available? One which I think I remember buying with a Linux-related magazine. Or am I simply dreaming? (more than likely :-) ))

Linux Magazine Issue 99 Feb 2009 had openSUSE 11.1 on the cover DVD.

Would you like me to send it to you, Lynn? E-mail me a snail mail address off list.

Bob

Hi Bob. No but thanks so much for the offer. It's the 11.2 I want. Loce from L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org