I'm putting together a document listing alternatives for Microsoft Publisher, and so far I can only think of Scribus. Are there any others out there that show promise? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Pueblo Native wrote:
I'm putting together a document listing alternatives for Microsoft Publisher, and so far I can only think of Scribus. Are there any others out there that show promise?
openoffice draw? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Pueblo Native wrote:
I'm putting together a document listing alternatives for Microsoft Publisher, and so far I can only think of Scribus. Are there any others out there that show promise?
Doesn't look it. The Linux Equivalent Project only lists Scribus for a PageMaker match: http://linuxeq.com/ -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ UNIX is user-friendly. It's just a bit picky about who its friends are. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 24 May 2007, Pueblo Native wrote:
I'm putting together a document listing alternatives for Microsoft Publisher, and so far I can only think of Scribus. Are there any others out there that show promise?
========== Take a look at KWrite. They have added several dtp features to it and it really shows promise. There are still so many things missing from Scribus and it's still not very intuitive to use, so it's not the open & use type program. If you're just needing something simple, KWrite may fill the void. You can also get PageStream, if you want a full featured dtp program. You can download a trial version and sadly it's not free, but the cost is not bad either for a mature program that it is. regards, Lee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BandiPat wrote:
On Thursday 24 May 2007, Pueblo Native wrote:
I'm putting together a document listing alternatives for Microsoft Publisher, and so far I can only think of Scribus. Are there any others out there that show promise?
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Take a look at KWrite. They have added several dtp features to it and it really shows promise. There are still so many things missing from Scribus and it's still not very intuitive to use, so it's not the open & use type program. If you're just needing something simple, KWrite may fill the void. You can also get PageStream, if you want a full featured dtp program. You can download a trial version and sadly it's not free, but the cost is not bad either for a mature program that it is.
I'll take a look at it, though with all the cross over between traditional DTP and office software, you wonder if you can even draw that line anymore. What I'm looking at more is putting together a list of the office programs (Outlook, Publisher, Frontpage) for which there is no direct equivalent in OpenOffice. Being a journalism student myself, I could see three major levels of people who may be looking for the DTP software. Level 1: Newsletter publisher (church, small school, etc), a one time document that may need some touches but really doesn't need to be fine tuned. Level 2: Student newspaper (college/high school), maybe small town newspaper that might be still published on the weekly or monthly basis but still has a professional feel to it. Level 3: Daily Newspaper and beyond (book publisher, magazine, something that absolutely needs spot on color separation and other high level features). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Pueblo Native wrote:
I'll take a look at it, though with all the cross over between traditional DTP and office software, you wonder if you can even draw that line anymore.
think at what make these apps different. I did some years ago and found only one: the ability to have a text span several boxes and this can be achieved in OpenOffice .org. It's not obvious and I don't remember the recipe, but it can be done... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
think at what make these apps different. I did some years ago and found only one: the ability to have a text span several boxes
and this can be achieved in OpenOffice .org.
It's not obvious and I don't remember the recipe, but it can be done...
My original idea was that the biggest difference between these products was how they treated text. In a word processor, for instance, most of the time text was text. In a DTP product, on the other hand, text is a design element, just like photos and other graphics. That was my original concept, and I think that's pretty much gotten smashed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Pueblo Native wrote:
jdd wrote:
think at what make these apps different. I did some years ago and found only one: the ability to have a text span several boxes
and this can be achieved in OpenOffice .org.
It's not obvious and I don't remember the recipe, but it can be done...
My original idea was that the biggest difference between these products was how they treated text. In a word processor, for instance, most of the time text was text. In a DTP product, on the other hand, text is a design element, just like photos and other graphics. That was my original concept, and I think that's pretty much gotten smashed.
A publisher program is able to giv a large page with différent objects in it, like a news paper. Nearly any modern word processor can do so, that is have frames around a page with text, photos, titles, drawings... But on a news paper, on can see the beginning of an article on the front page and the following on an other page or on an other column of the same page OpenOffice is able to do so, thouhg not woth ease and when I tryed it (at least two years ago), this feature was biggy - I hope this is fixed now. Notice than I use some old version of publiser by microsoft and it was a very good application, verye asy to use (I used it in classroom with pupils), much easier than PageMaker or Ventura (you see, I'm an old timer :-) I do not use such progamms for at least 3 years now, so I don'"t know what happen jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 27 May 2007, jdd wrote:
Notice than I use some old version of publiser by microsoft and it was a very good application, verye asy to use
Interesting side note: Publisher was the project that Melinda Gates was in charge of before her last name became Gates, back when she had a reason to work. http://images.forbes.com/media/lists/11/2006/7UR5.jpg With his choice of women, Bill chose one who is obviously a better project manager than himself, having only produced one clunker (Microsoft Bob), and three reasonably good products Publisher, Encarta, and Expedia. Bill, on the other hand stoled DOS. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
On Sunday 27 May 2007, jdd wrote:
Notice than I use some old version of publiser by microsoft and it was a very good application, verye asy to use
Interesting side note: Publisher was the project that Melinda Gates was in charge of before her last name became Gates, back when she had a reason to work.
Her maiden name was "Ms. Dos". ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
El lun, 28-05-2007 a las 07:44 -0400, James Knott escribió:
John Andersen wrote:
On Sunday 27 May 2007, jdd wrote:
Notice than I use some old version of publiser by microsoft and it was a very good application, verye asy to use
Interesting side note: Publisher was the project that Melinda Gates was in charge of before her last name became Gates, back when she had a reason to work.
Her maiden name was "Ms. Dos". ;-)
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Your're sharp! AOP
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John Andersen wrote:
Bill, on the other hand stoled DOS.
Not quite. He sold it to IBM, before he bought it from Seattle Computer Products. Tim Paterson of SCP developed QDOS as a development system, while waiting for CP/M-86. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 23:41 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Sunday 27 May 2007, jdd wrote:
Notice than I use some old version of publiser by microsoft and it was a very good application, verye asy to use
Interesting side note: Publisher was the project that Melinda Gates was in charge of before her last name became Gates, back when she had a reason to work.
http://images.forbes.com/media/lists/11/2006/7UR5.jpg With his choice of women, Bill chose one who is obviously a better project manager than himself, having only produced one clunker (Microsoft Bob), and three reasonably good products Publisher, Encarta, and Expedia.
Bill, on the other hand stoled DOS.
Married above his born station in life. He won't get an invitation to
the Queens dinner party that way.
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Carl Spitzer
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Pueblo Native wrote:
jdd wrote:
think at what make these apps different. I did some years ago and found only one: the ability to have a text span several boxes
and this can be achieved in OpenOffice .org.
It's not obvious and I don't remember the recipe, but it can be done...
My original idea was that the biggest difference between these products was how they treated text. In a word processor, for instance, most of the time text was text. In a DTP product, on the other hand, text is a design element, just like photos and other graphics. That was my original concept, and I think that's pretty much gotten smashed.
A publisher program is able to giv a large page with différent objects in it, like a news paper.
Nearly any modern word processor can do so, that is have frames around a page with text, photos, titles, drawings...
But on a news paper, on can see the beginning of an article on the front page and the following on an other page or on an other column of the same page
OpenOffice is able to do so, thouhg not woth ease and when I tryed it (at least two years ago), this feature was biggy - I hope this is fixed now.
Notice than I use some old version of publiser by microsoft and it was a very good application, verye asy to use (I used it in classroom with pupils), much easier than PageMaker or Ventura (you see, I'm an old timer :-) I do not use such progamms for at least 3 years now, so I don'"t know what happen
jdd
There is bit more to it that .. DTP publishers also output marks used to align copy to professional printing presses and had support for some of the formats used. A volume printer is somewhat different beast to a desktop laser. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGWqB6asN0sSnLmgIRAvHRAJ4pGIx6Z8zM7dsFTiWQPvBA9z/5kQCdH2jf f1hTazK1zjBp+1i6262HU8U= =oiMu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
G T Smith wrote:
There is bit more to it that .. DTP publishers also output marks used to align copy to professional printing presses and had support for some of the formats used. A volume printer is somewhat different beast to a desktop laser.
I don't speak of professional work, here, I never could (nor will :-) use xpress... make pro work with publisher?? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
G T Smith wrote:
There is bit more to it that .. DTP publishers also output marks used to align copy to professional printing presses and had support for some of the formats used. A volume printer is somewhat different beast to a desktop laser.
I don't speak of professional work, here, I never could (nor will :-) use xpress...
make pro work with publisher??
jdd
Maybe I should have titled this "InDesign alternatives" then. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
But on a news paper, on can see the beginning of an article on the front page and the following on an other page or on an other column of the same page
By the way, what you mentioned is known as a "jump". It's not necessarily considered the best practice. But I get what you are saying in regards to the text frames.
Notice than I use some old version of publiser by microsoft and it was a very good application, verye asy to use (I used it in classroom with pupils), much easier than PageMaker or Ventura (you see, I'm an old timer :-) I do not use such progamms for at least 3 years now, so I don'"t know what happen
Didn't know what happened to what? Pagemaker became InDesign. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
sodipodi is a program like scribus, I dont know the status of it
nowdays... their site seems a little broken and outdated
(http://www.sodipodi.com/index.php3)
also check this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vector_graphics_editors
On 5/26/07, Pueblo Native
BandiPat wrote:
On Thursday 24 May 2007, Pueblo Native wrote:
I'm putting together a document listing alternatives for Microsoft Publisher, and so far I can only think of Scribus. Are there any others out there that show promise?
==========
Take a look at KWrite. They have added several dtp features to it and it really shows promise. There are still so many things missing from Scribus and it's still not very intuitive to use, so it's not the open & use type program. If you're just needing something simple, KWrite may fill the void. You can also get PageStream, if you want a full featured dtp program. You can download a trial version and sadly it's not free, but the cost is not bad either for a mature program that it is.
I'll take a look at it, though with all the cross over between traditional DTP and office software, you wonder if you can even draw that line anymore. What I'm looking at more is putting together a list of the office programs (Outlook, Publisher, Frontpage) for which there is no direct equivalent in OpenOffice. Being a journalism student myself, I could see three major levels of people who may be looking for the DTP software.
Level 1: Newsletter publisher (church, small school, etc), a one time document that may need some touches but really doesn't need to be fine tuned. Level 2: Student newspaper (college/high school), maybe small town newspaper that might be still published on the weekly or monthly basis but still has a professional feel to it. Level 3: Daily Newspaper and beyond (book publisher, magazine, something that absolutely needs spot on color separation and other high level features). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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