Question is.... do I trust the Reiser partition to continue working now?

Is reiser still maintained? In the aftermath of the Reiser trial, I switched my non-ext partitions to JFS. The truth is, as a desktop I've noticed no difference. Unless you have a compelling reason to stick with reiser (email server, or other lots of small files with frequent turnover) then you can switch.

Do I need to replace the hard drive?

What does SMART say? -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 23 February 2010 21:11, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

Dotan Cohen wrote:

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Question is.... do I trust the Reiser partition to continue working now?

Is reiser still maintained? In the aftermath of the Reiser trial, I switched my non-ext partitions to JFS. The truth is, as a desktop I've noticed no difference. Unless you have a compelling reason to stick with reiser (email server, or other lots of small files with frequent turnover) then you can switch.

Speaking as a Cyrus IMAP admin - the small-file argument is pretty much bogus at this point.   With dir index enabled current ext3 is pretty good;  that plus directory hashing [a server feature] you have to have a very large load to record a significant different between filesystems.

‎Thanks. I've heard that today the ext filesystems are fine for email servers, but never from anyone that I'd call reliably experienced enough to know :). According to wikipedia Reiser is still maintained, so the OP can continue using it if he wishes. I personally would keep the filesystem as it is if this is an isolated incident. But if it happens again, JFS or ext3. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Bear in mind though, changing file systems is not a solution of the problem is with the underlying drive.

From the OP's description it sounded to me like a filesystem problem, not a hardware problem. I have had ext3 do similar things (usually after a power outage) though I don't use reiser.

Like I said earlier, OP should use the SMART tools to decide if the drive is healthy. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:22 PM, C wrote:

I didn't think of that when I was reviving the laptop... :-P and now it's back at the user's home.. out of my reach again.  I will just cross my fingers and hope it survives until i can get to it again.  I made a full backup of all data about a week prior to the fail... so if the drive fails completely, I've got enough to rebuild on a new drive.

I'd run a badblocks on the drive or use the ultimate boot cd's utils to test the drive. I had a 250GB WD laptop PATA drive that I've used for almost 2 years that got a corruption in reiser recently and the drive ended up having problems(you could hear a chirp when it read.......). Only time I've ever had an issue with reiser was an actual drive problem. Reiser defaults to running an fsck every 30 mounts. Not a bad idea in my opinion and it doesn't take that long. I too moved away from ext2 with SuSE 6.x due to power failures making the system unusable without a manual fsck. Resier was so much better. So long as reiser is still supported(and even the bug that beagle uncovered was fixed), I'm gonna keep using it. 4.x was faster but never fully merged into the kernel. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Two key perspectives from Jim Collin's book "Good to Great".    1) "Being great is a decision" and    2) "Being good is an enemy of being great"

KDE 3 was great. KDE 4 is good. (sorry, I had to) -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:24, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

GNOME is fabulous, and just keeps getting better.

I wonder if the same will be said when Gnome3 is released? It is looking to be as radically different to Gnome 2 as KDE4 was to KDE3.... at least last time I checked out Gnome 3 plans/progress. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 15:02, Dotan Cohen wrote:

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I wonder if the same will be said when Gnome3 is released?  It is looking to be as radically different to Gnome 2 as KDE4 was to KDE3.... at least last time I checked out Gnome 3 plans/progress.

I am not following the development of Gnome, but are they removing features for the 3.0 release? Can Gnome 3.0 not do things that 2.8 could?

A quick poke of Google turns up this page... and loads others. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/09/gnome-3-quick-visual-tour.html Basically Gnome3 will be different from what I read... a lot different, and it's picking up on some of the same (or at least similar) concepts as KDE4 currently has. Your question though... Can Gnome3 not do things 2.8 could... doesn't make sense... I don't know what you're asking - and as someone who rarely uses Gnome on purpose.. I can't answer it anyway. Gnome3 looks to be a big change... just like KDE4 was a big change. Will it be a messy or as smooth.. who knows. I do hope that some lessons were learned from how KDE4 was launched, and that they are applied with the Gnome 3 side of things. One thing is for sure for me... I will try out Gnome3 when I have a chance. I am not a Gnome user now, nor have I ever liked Gnome.. but who's to say what the new version brings.. maybe I'll like it better than KDE4 :-) Take a look here http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/3.0 What I'd like to know before I install... What's the prereqs? Will I break my KDE4 install? Or more importantly... will I get PulseAudio installed in the process? :-( C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 02/25/2010 09:02 AM, Dotan Cohen pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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I wonder if the same will be said when Gnome3 is released? It is looking to be as radically different to Gnome 2 as KDE4 was to KDE3.... at least last time I checked out Gnome 3 plans/progress.

I am not following the development of Gnome, but are they removing features for the 3.0 release? Can Gnome 3.0 not do things that 2.8 could?

No, it will still *not* be able to things in 3.0 that it can't in 2.8. :-) -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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No, it will still *not* be able to things in 3.0 that it can't in 2.8. :-)

That's funny, but really, what cannot be done in Gnome? As someone who is considering moving to Gnome after nine years on KDE, what would I be missing?

From someone who is going through all the work to try to get kde 4.x bugreports filed and fixed, this does not sound encouraging. -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 25 February 2010 17:45:21 Dotan Cohen wrote:

I have found that I'm now going through the KDE changelogs less looking for what is new and helpful, and more for what is removed and broken. One of my major apps, Kaddressbook, has had much of the functionality that I depend on removed for KDE 4.4.

Dotan, would it help if we made the KDE SC 4.3.5 kaddressbook built vs KDE 4.4.x available while the features temporarily lost during the Akonadi port are restored? It should be possible. Will Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 01 March 2010 21:21:11 Dotan Cohen wrote:

On 1 March 2010 19:41, Will Stephenson wrote:

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On Thursday 25 February 2010 17:45:21 Dotan Cohen wrote:

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I have found that I'm now going through the KDE changelogs less looking for what is new and helpful, and more for what is removed and broken. One of my major apps, Kaddressbook, has had much of the functionality that I depend on removed for KDE 4.4.

Dotan, would it help if we made the KDE SC 4.3.5 kaddressbook built vs KDE 4.4.x available while the features temporarily lost during the Akonadi port are restored? It should be possible.

That would be about the greatest thing Suse ever did!

Heh, well I don't know about that but I see now how much these features mean to you. So try the kdepim4 packages from home:wstephenson:branches:KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop specifically the kaddressbook package, which contains the akonadi based kaddressbook and the old one, _renamed_to_koldaddressbook_. I have built it locally and it runs, so the OBS should have built through in an hour or so. Be aware though, I don't like swimming against the current like this so I am not going to a) keep this up to date going forward or fix bugs in the old kaddressbook b) port Amarok 1.x to Qt 4 [1] c) port Kicker + KDesktop similarly ;). In return I hope you will ensure bugs are filed at bugs.kde.org vs kaddressbook and clearly marked as Regressions for all the features not yet restored to the Akonadi kaddressbook, so KDAB, who have assured me that the Akonadi ports in KDE 4.5 will be ready for production use, and the community kdepim developers, do not write off features as won't-be-missed. The only regressions reported by you so far vs current kaddressbook are the missing fields at bko#222678 (see http://bit.ly/ayiL1u), there must be others. Will [1] Already happened, see KDE:KDE4:Community clementine. -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 15:47, Dotan Cohen wrote:

That's funny, but really, what cannot be done in Gnome? As someone who is considering moving to Gnome after nine years on KDE, what would I be missing?

The simple answer... nothing. Gnome is a perfectly capable window manager... as are pretty much all commonly used window managers in Linux. Each person's view of what's good/bad in Gnome is very much.. their own view. Personally I get frustrated with Gnome in some of the more subtle things... like focus stealing... the openSUSE Gnome slab menu thing... I really dislike how it works, especially once you want to find apps that are not in the short list. Another aspect is desktop configuration... KDE has much finer grained control in the top level Config window than Gnome does (although Gnome implements the changes you make a lot smoother) - you can tweak Gnome at a level the borders on insane though if you're willing to dive in deeper... into a tool that makes the Windows Regedit look elegant :-( I also don't like how the file manager aspects work.. especially when called from within an application. There are other bits that I think are better in KDE.. like Dolphin... but.. this is all just how I view it. A person who finds Gnome to be "just right" will disagree with me on every point... but that's OK :-) As a window manager, it does the job just fine. You'll find it works as well as any other wm choice you have. Best thing you can do.. install it.. try it.. if it feels right, use it. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 25 February 2010 17:01, C wrote:

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 15:47, Dotan Cohen wrote:

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That's funny, but really, what cannot be done in Gnome? As someone who is considering moving to Gnome after nine years on KDE, what would I be missing?

The simple answer... nothing.  Gnome is a perfectly capable window manager... as are pretty much all commonly used window managers in Linux.

Of course _some_ things will be missing should I stick with an all-Gnome setup. Okular, for one, is unmatched as far as PDF readers go. And no Gnome app is as configurable as their KDE counterparts, even keyboard shortcuts cannot be assigned nor changed. Nor can icons or toolbars be modified from what I understand.

Each person's view of what's good/bad in Gnome is very much.. their own view.  Personally I get frustrated with Gnome in some of the more subtle things... like focus stealing... the openSUSE Gnome slab menu thing... I really dislike how it works, especially once you want to find apps that are not in the short list.  Another aspect is desktop configuration... KDE has much finer grained control in the top level Config window than Gnome does (although Gnome implements the changes you make a lot smoother) - you can tweak Gnome at a level the borders on insane though if you're willing to dive in deeper... into a tool that makes the Windows Regedit look elegant :-(  I also don't like how the file manager aspects work.. especially when called from within an application.  There are other bits that I think are better in KDE.. like Dolphin... but.. this is all just how I view it.  A person who finds Gnome to be "just right" will disagree with me on every point... but that's OK :-)

That's what I want to know, though. Thanks.

As a window manager, it does the job just fine.  You'll find it works as well as any other wm choice you have.

Best thing you can do.. install it.. try it.. if it feels right, use it.

C.

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even keyboard shortcuts cannot be assigned nor changed.

Not true.  I changed a key-binding just this morning.

How do I assign a New Folder keybinding to Nautilus?

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 Nor can icons or toolbars be modified from what I understand.

Not true.

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On 26 February 2010 17:43, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 09:55 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:

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even keyboard shortcuts cannot be assigned nor changed.

Not true.  I changed a key-binding just this morning. How do I assign a New Folder keybinding to Nautilus?

The same way you do in just about every GNOME applications.

Go to System -> Personal -> Look-n-Feel, then in the Interface tab check "Editable menu shortcut keys".

Go to nautilus->File, hover over the shortcut, and press whatever you want it to be.  It changes on the fly.

That must be the most unintuitive, non-obvious and cumbersome procedure that I have ever heard of. But I won't complain, at least it _is_ possible. Well, if you are in a Gnome environment it might be possible. Being in KDE I don't have a System menu (Well, actually, I do. But KDE and Gnome both are arrogant enough to call themselves "System".). I opened gnome-appearance-properties (don't ask how I found out the name of the executable) and from there Interface -> Editable Menu Shortcut Keys. However, now hovering over an item and pressing my desired shortcut does _not_ change it. So either I am in the wrong executable (very possible) or this cannot be configured outside a Gnome environment (I don't know about the feasibility of this).

It is a good idea to uncheck "Editable menu shortcut keys" once you've changed what you want to so that you don't accidentally re-assign key bindings.

Will do, thanks.

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 Nor can icons or toolbars be modified from what I understand. Not true. How do I assign a New Folder icon to Nautilus?

Icons are controlled via themes;  customize the theme if you want to change this.  Although I do think that is a strictly KDE mindset thing - there isn't any good reason to micro-manage such things;  they are best controlled by their container [the theme]

All right, then, how exactly do I change this theme? I'm sure that I could google it, but I'd rather lazyweb it while I have your attention to continue the conversation. Just to clarify: I am not arguing but rather trying to figure out the Gnome mindset. I intend to spend a good few months (at least one KDE cycle) on Gnome and I find the communities differ greatly. Don't take me for a troll. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 12:30 +0100, C wrote:

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:24, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

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GNOME is fabulous, and just keeps getting better.

I wonder if the same will be said when Gnome3 is released? It is looking to be as radically different to Gnome 2 as KDE4 was to KDE3.... at least last time I checked out Gnome 3 plans/progress.

I thought someone wrote some months ago, that the path of gnome was more evolution, instead of the "revolution"-ary path of KDE. Or actually, that Gnome3 would be nothing more than a rename of the current version... Could be mistaken, i'm kind of stuck to kde, since 1.0.. hw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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I thought someone wrote some months ago, that the path of gnome was more evolution, instead of the "revolution"-ary path of KDE.

Ah, more meaningless broad and vague generalizations.

What is meaningless and broad there? Gnome creates 3.0 by taking 2.8 and adding features. KDE creates 4.0 by tossing 3.5.10 out the window and rewriting everything. Then they release 4.0 as a developers-only release, and even 4.1 was for "early adopters". KDE 4.4 is still missing some of the most basic features, such as photo metadata in the file browser. I have filed or triaged well over 1200 bugs at KDE for tens of users, before you go attacking my stance by attacking my interests or intentions. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 26 February 2010 17:59, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 17:42 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:

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I thought someone wrote some months ago, that the path of gnome was more evolution, instead of the "revolution"-ary path of KDE. Ah, more meaningless broad and vague generalizations. What is meaningless and broad there? Gnome creates 3.0 by taking 2.8 and adding features. KDE creates 4.0 by tossing 3.5.10 out the window and rewriting everything.

As has been stated multiple times - here - by KDE developers - they did *NOT*  "rewriting everything".

They re-factored some code, rewrote some code, and sent some code out the sheds.

Not true. Plasma (the KDE desktop and panel) are completely new codebases, there is _nothing_ in there carryover from KDE 3. Some KDE apps were carryover although even these need major work to replace the Qt3 dependency with Qt4. I don't know where you got your info from, but trust me, KDE 4 is new almost from the ground up, and the desktop and panel have no KDE 3 code.

The GNOME project has done much the same thing.  For example: Glade [a commonly used GNOME component] is deprecated and should not be used in GNOME 3.x applications.  There is a new GNOME UI framework for describing interfaces in XML.

This is all just the normal life-cycle of large code bases.

Agreed. However, the point about keeping the user side of the UI consistent (ie, evolution) seems to be a Gnome priority. Not so with KDE, who rewrote the entire code base and did _not_ have feature parity with older versions as either a priority or an intention (ie, revolution).

Describing any of the above cases as "evolutionary" or "revolutionary" is indeed vague and meaningless.  If you want to talk about development practices then use specifically development practice terminology.

You are right, therefore I explained above how the two terms are being used.

Or don't; because end users don't, and shouldn't, give a crap about development processes.

While I agree that in a perfect world end users should not be concerned with the development process, the KDE world is not perfect. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Not true. Plasma (the KDE desktop and panel) are completely new codebases, there is _nothing_ in there carryover from KDE 3.

 The desktop and panel are nowhere near the whole of the KDE Software Compilation or the KDE Platform and not even the whole of the KDE Workspaces (http://dot.kde.org/2009/11/24/repositioning-kde-brand).

At the time of KDE 4.0, we were still two years away from the KDE SC redefinition. You will notice that I am one of the few who correctly use the term KDE SC when referring to KDE >= 4.4

 And, as far as that "_nothing_" is concerned, in fact there is some code in Plasma that is reused from KDE3.

If you want to be pedantic, then yes. It is minuscule. Even gnome has an "int main" line in there somewhere.

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Some KDE apps were carryover although even these need major work to replace the Qt3 dependency with Qt4.

 Porting is normal when something lower in the stack changes in an incompatible way.

That strengthens my argument, not weakens it.

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I don't know where you got your info from,

 From me. I'm repeating it only the third time this week.

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but trust me, KDE 4 is new almost from the ground up,

 As a whole, no.

KDE the desktop and panels. Not KDE SC, which was not even a concept when 4.0 was released.

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Agreed. However, the point about keeping the user side of the UI consistent (ie, evolution) seems to be a Gnome priority. Not so with KDE,

 So, unlike KDE4 which has new desktop shell implementation, GNOME3 has new desktop shell implementation that, unlike KDE4 which changes quite some KDE UI aspects, changes quite some GNOME UI aspects, with, unlike with KDE4 where the old implementation was eventually abandoned, the old implementation would be eventually abandoned, and that makes them completely different.

 Hmm. Could you run that past me once again? Or, after a second thought, rather don't. No need to make these long annoying threads even more so.

As much as I like your creative exaggerations and bending of facts, I will not take the bait. I will do as you suggest, that is _not_ to run that past you again, as I agree that at this stage it is a pointless "you're wrong I'm right" pissing match. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 23 February 2010 20:04:20 Dotan Cohen wrote:

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Question is.... do I trust the Reiser partition to continue working now?

Is reiser still maintained?

All the enterprise distros maintain reiser, there are a number of enterprise maintenance contracts with years left to run that used reiser as the default filesystem. Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org