I would like to install / upgrade to PHP5! Has anybody experience in that? bye Ronald
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:48:42 +0800, you wrote:
I would like to install / upgrade to PHP5!
Has anybody experience in that?
Why? Since they changed the language AGAIN, you'll have headaches rewriting your code to work with it. I gave up trying to use php until they stabilize the language. Rewrote the same miserable application 3 times. Screw that! Mike- -- If you're not confused, you're not trying hard enough. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments,
Why? Since they changed the language AGAIN, you'll have headaches rewriting your code to work with it. I gave up trying to use php until they stabilize the language. Rewrote the same miserable application 3 times. Screw that!
Why? I have an application I wrote for PHP that works perfectly without any changes in PHP5 :) Regards Mark
I would like to install / upgrade to PHP5!
Has anybody experience in that?
Why? Since they changed the language AGAIN, you'll have headaches rewriting your code to work with it. I gave up trying to use php until they stabilize the language. Rewrote the same miserable application 3 times. Screw that! Mike- Isn't that the same for most languages? Every new release brings in new changes? Just a question, oh why upgrade if the version that you have does everything that you need! -- If you're not confused, you're not trying hard enough. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments, -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:43:35 -0700, you wrote:
I would like to install / upgrade to PHP5!
Has anybody experience in that?
Why? Since they changed the language AGAIN, you'll have headaches rewriting your code to work with it. I gave up trying to use php until they stabilize the language. Rewrote the same miserable application 3 times. Screw that!
Mike- Isn't that the same for most languages? Every new release brings in new changes?
Just a question, oh why upgrade if the version that you have does everything that you need!
The PHP crew isn't content to just add new features - my complaint is that they think 'backward compatability' happens to someone else. I'm not kidding - I rewrote the same application (a fairly complex one) three seperate times - every time I upgraded php 4.x, I had to go debug the whole app again! I'll never touch a PHP app again, unless someone else writes it, and I won't upgrade my php unless it's at gunpoint and someone else has already tested the app against the php version. Mike- -- If you're not confused, you're not trying hard enough. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments,
On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 05:27:45PM -0400, Michael W Cocke wrote: : : The PHP crew isn't content to just add new features - my complaint is : that they think 'backward compatability' happens to someone else. I'm : not kidding - I rewrote the same application (a fairly complex one) : three seperate times - every time I upgraded php 4.x, I had to go : debug the whole app again! : : I'll never touch a PHP app again, unless someone else writes it, and I : won't upgrade my php unless it's at gunpoint and someone else has : already tested the app against the php version. Not SuSE related, but what coding practices did you follow that caused you so many headaches and rewrites through the php-4.x upgrades (and including the newly released php-5.x)?
On Wednesday 04 August 2004 08:09, Eugene Lee wrote:
On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 05:27:45PM -0400, Michael W Cocke wrote: : The PHP crew isn't content to just add new features - my complaint is : that they think 'backward compatability' happens to someone else. I'm : not kidding - I rewrote the same application (a fairly complex one) : three seperate times - every time I upgraded php 4.x, I had to go : debug the whole app again! : : I'll never touch a PHP app again, unless someone else writes it, and I : won't upgrade my php unless it's at gunpoint and someone else has : already tested the app against the php version.
Not SuSE related, but what coding practices did you follow that caused you so many headaches and rewrites through the php-4.x upgrades (and including the newly released php-5.x)?
I have setup a new system! Old applications are not the case for me. However, when I am already on a new system, than I could go the extra mile for the newer version, of course only if it is stabled and has advantages. Is there a rpm or any installation help or do I just download from php web site the stuff and compile it by myself. That brings me to the question, when I do something outside of YAST, I loose all the advantage of YAST. How can I do that smoothly. E.g., I have upgraded the kernel to 2.6.5, now everytime I open YAST it wants to "upgrade" to 2.4.x!!! Once I accidently said yes to it, .... and was back at 2.4.x. Is there a way to say permanently NO to a "downgrade" ??? bye Ronald
Ronald Wiplinger wrote:
On Wednesday 04 August 2004 08:09, Eugene Lee wrote:
On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 05:27:45PM -0400, Michael W Cocke wrote: : The PHP crew isn't content to just add new features - my complaint is : that they think 'backward compatability' happens to someone else. I'm : not kidding - I rewrote the same application (a fairly complex one) : three seperate times - every time I upgraded php 4.x, I had to go : debug the whole app again! : : I'll never touch a PHP app again, unless someone else writes it, and I : won't upgrade my php unless it's at gunpoint and someone else has : already tested the app against the php version.
Not SuSE related, but what coding practices did you follow that caused you so many headaches and rewrites through the php-4.x upgrades (and including the newly released php-5.x)?
I have setup a new system! Old applications are not the case for me. However, when I am already on a new system, than I could go the extra mile for the newer version, of course only if it is stabled and has advantages.
Is there a rpm or any installation help or do I just download from php web site the stuff and compile it by myself. That brings me to the question, when I do something outside of YAST, I loose all the advantage of YAST. How can I do that smoothly. E.g., I have upgraded the kernel to 2.6.5, now everytime I open YAST it wants to "upgrade" to 2.4.x!!! Once I accidently said yes to it, .... and was back at 2.4.x. Is there a way to say permanently NO to a "downgrade" ???
bye
Ronald
I install most new things through yast. Checkinstall makes rpms out of compiled source, and usually works really well. Yast recognizes the new versions and puts a little "lock" icon in front of it when upgrading, so it knows all about it. -- Jim Sabatke Hire Me!! - See my resume at http://my.execpc.com/~jsabatke Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. NOTE: Please do not email me any attachments with Microsoft extensions. They are deleted on my ISP's server before I ever see them, and no bounce message is sent.
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:09:23 -0500, you wrote:
On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 05:27:45PM -0400, Michael W Cocke wrote: : : The PHP crew isn't content to just add new features - my complaint is : that they think 'backward compatability' happens to someone else. I'm : not kidding - I rewrote the same application (a fairly complex one) : three seperate times - every time I upgraded php 4.x, I had to go : debug the whole app again! : : I'll never touch a PHP app again, unless someone else writes it, and I : won't upgrade my php unless it's at gunpoint and someone else has : already tested the app against the php version.
Not SuSE related, but what coding practices did you follow that caused you so many headaches and rewrites through the php-4.x upgrades (and including the newly released php-5.x)?
I did exactly what php.net and the "PHP4 Bible", "PHP4 Developers Cookbook", "Beginning PHP4", and "Teach yourself PHP4 in 24 hours" taught me to do. Know anyone who would like to purchase the above books (used) ? Sorry for the digression. Mike- -- If you're not confused, you're not trying hard enough. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments,
On Wednesday 04 August 2004 21:55, Michael W Cocke wrote:
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:09:23 -0500, you wrote:
On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 05:27:45PM -0400, Michael W Cocke wrote: : The PHP crew isn't content to just add new features - my complaint is : that they think 'backward compatability' happens to someone else. I'm : not kidding - I rewrote the same application (a fairly complex one) : three seperate times - every time I upgraded php 4.x, I had to go : debug the whole app again! :
How to install it on SuSE 9.0 (to remain open that SuSE eventually makes also rmps for it)
Ronald Wiplinger wrote:
I would like to install / upgrade to PHP5!
Has anybody experience in that?
No problems what so ever, things seem faster, and it looks as if we will get some other benefits, with error handling. There were some niggles with a couple of libraries, but that was sorted almost before I needed them :) -- Lester Caine ----------------------------- L.S.Caine Electronic Services
Hi, Lester, Can you please share your PHP5 RPMs? I have tried to build my own, but run into numerous problems. Thanks in advance. On Aug 3, 2004, at 19:59, Lester Caine wrote:
Ronald Wiplinger wrote:
I would like to install / upgrade to PHP5! Has anybody experience in that?
No problems what so ever, things seem faster, and it looks as if we will get some other benefits, with error handling.
There were some niggles with a couple of libraries, but that was sorted almost before I needed them :)
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