On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 11:18:53AM -0500, Stan Glasoe wrote:

On Friday 14 October 2005 11:04 am, houghi wrote:

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What is the best way to search these mailinglists? I tried google, but something like http://www.google.com/search?hs=p1l&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mo zilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=site%3Alists.opensuse.org+suse&btnG=Search or http://tinyurl.com/beqpz for short does not show anything.

With the amount of mails, it would be nice to have an effective searchengine. Now I am able to seach most of what I want with the mails I have with grepmail (grepm rather) but I can not always re-find all of the things I am looking for.

houghi

At google try: "site:opensuse.org whatever whichever whenever" without the quotes of course.

For suse-linux-e it could be something like: "site:lists.suse.com [sle] whatever whenever whichever".

I am talking about THIS list. The opensuse list. One might expect one or more links with: site:lists.opensuse.org suse as I did. Not one posting. Also you would expect to find at least one posting with the word or name houghi in it. Seems I must post more, because there is nothing to see. So just try it and you will see it won't work (at least not with me) houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 11:18:53AM -0500, Stan Glasoe wrote:

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On Friday 14 October 2005 11:04 am, houghi wrote:

At google try: "site:opensuse.org whatever whichever whenever" without the quotes of course.

For suse-linux-e it could be something like: "site:lists.suse.com [sle] whatever whenever whichever".

I am talking about THIS list. The opensuse list. One might expect one or more links with: site:lists.opensuse.org suse as I did. Not one posting. Also you would expect to find at least one posting with the word or name houghi in it. Seems I must post more, because there is nothing to see.

So just try it and you will see it won't work (at least not with me)

houghi

On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 18:40 +0200, houghi wrote: lists.opensuse.org opensuse houghi should do it, found many hits. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

But are google searches of these lists as good as or better than the MARC searches? (But I see opensuse is *not* on MARC...)

On 15/10/05, jdd wrote:

don't you think this looks like a robot.txt forgiven access?

Yes. http://lists.opensuse.org/robots.txt It has a dissallow for all, so no search engine would be updating their index. My guess is it was put on in September, which is why there are a small number of old indexed messages. pflodo.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 12:46:13AM +0200, Christian Boltz wrote:

I just checked http://lists.opensuse.org/robots.txt

----------------------------- User-agent: * Disallow: / -----------------------------

Could someone from SUSE please explain why all search engines are locked out?

Perhaps because not everybody thinks it's a good idea to feed search engines with mail addresses.

I think it isn't a good idea to make the list archives not searchable. (I understand SUSE doesn't provide a search engine on its own, but it's "cheap" to let google do the job. Just some traffic ;-)

I myself would prefer a local search engine on opensuse.org. Or, of course, 'grepmail' on my local list archive. ;-) Rasmus

On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 09:44 +0300, Dazzle wrote:

Hello,

On 10/15/05, Christian Boltz wrote:

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I just checked http://lists.opensuse.org/robots.txt

----------------------------- User-agent: * Disallow: / -----------------------------

Could someone from SUSE please explain why all search engines are locked out?

Probably because the spam-bots are searching the mailing-list and they are searching on Google too. I don't think you would like to get a lot of spam in your Inbox just because you are subscribed to a mailing-list. Personaly I think it's better not to let robots indexing the mailing-list.

This is fine but don't chastise anyone for -not- searching the archives when there is no search capabilities. I would not expect anyone to search 1000's of emails one by one looking for answers. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

Hello, Am Samstag, 15. Oktober 2005 08:44 schrieb Dazzle:

On 10/15/05, Christian Boltz wrote:

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I just checked http://lists.opensuse.org/robots.txt

Disallow: /

Could someone from SUSE please explain why all search engines are locked out?

An official statement is still missing :-(

Probably because the spam-bots are searching the mailing-list and they are searching on Google too. I don't think you would like to get a lot of spam in your Inbox just because you are subscribed to a mailing-list. Personaly I think it's better not to let robots indexing the mailing-list.

Hey, I already got spam to the adresses used in the opensuse lists - the robots.txt wasn't able to avoid this... I guess spammers use the direct way to get mail adresses and just subscribe (with a "anonymous" mail adress @gmx etc.). This is even more inconspicuous than a wget -r... You see, spammers get mail adresses in any case. My question still remains: Why should we lock out users who want to search the list archives? Regards, Christian Boltz -- Zwei Informatikstudenten treffen sich auf dem Campus. Sagt der eine: "Hey, woher hast du das schöne neue Fahrrad?" Antwortet der andere: "Nun, ich lief gestern durch den Park, als eine wunderschöne Blondine auf dem Fahrrad vor mir anhielt, sich nackt auszog und sagte: Nimm dir was du willst!" Sagt der erste: "Gute Wahl, die Kleider hätten bestimmt nicht gepasst." [Bernd Tannenbaum in suse-linux]

On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 19:17 +0100, Christoph Thiel wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Christian Boltz wrote:

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On 10/15/05, Christian Boltz wrote:

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I just checked http://lists.opensuse.org/robots.txt

Disallow: /

Could someone from SUSE please explain why all search engines are locked out?

An official statement is still missing :-(

Sorry for the delay. lists.openSUSE.org is now "crawlable" and I just check Google, which already seems to have done a good job in indexing the archives ;)

[If you want to search the openSUSE.org mailinglists, just use the "site:lists.openSUSE.org" directive on Google.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. This will make searching the archives much easier. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Christian Boltz wrote:

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[If you want to search the openSUSE.org mailinglists, just use the "site:lists.openSUSE.org" directive on Google.

It would be a good idea to include a search box in the the lists.opensuse.org front page called "search lists.opensuse.org using google"

I don't know if google allows this (I guess yes since many pages provide a google search) - please check it.

Well, guessing isn't enough ;) (But be sure that we are working on making this possible...)

BTW: A similar form would be very helpful on lists.suse.com ;-)

That's on the agenda, but let's watch lists.opensuse.org first and see how it works out (also from a computing resource point of view, as the robots can slow down the archives quite well ;)) Regards Christoph

Pascal, On Sat, 15 Oct 2005, Pascal Bleser wrote:

A local search-engine on opensuse.org would be great. Maybe even one that include searching in the Wiki + in the mailing-list archives. It doesn't need to show the hits in a unified interface. Could show: - - Search for [ ] in [ ] wiki [ ] mailing-list archives - - Search results for wiki: ... - - Search results for mailing-list archives: ...

Could you please add a feature request for this on bugzilla.novell.com (Product: openSUSE, Component: Wiki)? That would help a lot to track this issue... :) Regards Christoph

Andreas Simon wrote:

On Saturday 15 October 2005 10:41, Per Jessen wrote:

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I would suggest using gmane.org, but I'm not sure this list ever actually made it onto gmane.

It didn't, there are no opensuse mailing lists on GMANE.

I did suggest it a while ago, and I know the gmane admin people tried to sign up, but I neglected to follow-up when it failed. I think having opensuse on gmane would be a really Good Thing (R). /Per Jessen, Zürich -- http://www.spamchek.com/ - managed anti-spam and anti-virus solution. Sign up for your free 30-day trial now!

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005, Per Jessen wrote:

Per Jessen wrote:

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I did suggest it a while ago, and I know the gmane admin people tried to sign up, but I neglected to follow-up when it failed. I think having opensuse on gmane would be a really Good Thing (R).

OK, I did do some follow-up - on 5 Sep I posted the following:

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:

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It looks like the opensuse.org MTAs are dropping my messages, so I can't sign up.

To be more precise:

:     host lists.opensuse.org[195.135.221.131] said: 553 sorry, your envelope     sender is in my badmailfrom list (#5.7.1) (in reply to RCPT TO command) Reporting-MTA: dns; Relay1.suse.de

So gmane wasn't allowed to sign up due to blacklisting by SUSE? SUSE Novell - any comments?

Please contact me directly on this (via private mail). I'm sure we will be able to sort things out ;) Regards Christoph