******* Where does a newborn go from here? The Net is Vast, and Infinate...******** What about using that in what basically is a closet box.. i>e> : one that sits in the closet connecting to teh net , and firewalling/masquerading other boxes ??? THo the brain has gone into a fugue at teh moment, I thought I read soemthing about this not being a good idea w/ linux. It's a pci, not and agp card .... and was one of those under $30 cards where the entire documentation is on one side of paper and consisits of Made in China <g> Not nknocking that, but they seem to have the same ideas about documentation as most of our devlopers ( and you all know who you are <VBG>) If some nice wizzard would be kind enough to warn me off swaping it for the nvidia tnt riva 64. ( and while your at it expain why other nvidea ( which was boxed as something called a viper700 , or something like that.. I'll dig out the box tomorrow, but the piont it, they are pretty close to teh same card, although one has much more ram . They both have well more than ought to be needed to get a stable desktop and an opengl screensaver ! Extra Karma points to whoever solves this one <G> The age seems to be catching up , the eyes go, and then the brain and....... um, I forget ..... <G> Where did I put that ak 47 ammo anyway .... j afterthought--- I'm entirely too busy to waste time choosing a tagline to use.