On Thursday 14 February 2008 10:27:01 pm Kermit Mei wrote:

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Start up top in a console. Then press shift-F, then press 'p', then press return. That will display a list of all the processes sorted in order of which one is using the most swap.

Regards,         David Bolt

 

Hi, David,What's your meaning? I did it ,but command was not found. Whether is this just a joke or something error? Thanks. kermit

Start top in a console :-) If you there is no applications that use swap than there will be no change in a display. -- Regards, Rajko. See http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Kermit Mei wrote:-

Hi, David,What's your meaning? I did it ,but command was not found. Whether is this just a joke or something error?

As Rajko already pointed out, it meant to start the utility "top". I just forgot to put the quotes around the name. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-P2 @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~15Mkeys SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit | openSUSE 10.3 32bit | openSUSE 11.0a1 SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit | openSUSE 10.3 64bit RISC OS 3.6 | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 10.3 PPC | RISC OS 3.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Carlos E. R. [01-01-70 12:34]:

The sum of memory used is much larger than the used swap in my machine:

top - 21:50:57 up 1 day, 15:21, 35 users, load average: 0.78, 0.69, 0.72 Tasks: 247 total, 1 running, 245 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie Cpu(s): 10.2%us, 3.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 85.5%id, 0.3%wa, 0.6%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st Mem: 1035972k total, 948016k used, 87956k free, 35084k buffers Swap: 12594880k total, 688312k used, 11906568k free, 504548k cached

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ SWAP COMMAND 14475 cer 15 0 716m 33m 1656 S 0.3 3.3 3:04.49 682m java.bin 6080 cer 15 0 258m 7612 3100 S 0.0 0.7 1:00.31 250m gimp-2.2 26698 cer 15 0 195m 3832 760 S 0.0 0.4 1:00.68 191m java.bin 27273 cer 15 0 147m 9.9m 6100 S 0.0 1.0 0:12.99 137m gedit 4943 root 17 0 138m 776 536 S 0.0 0.1 0:07.19 137m nscd 3806 wwwrun 15 0 139m 5920 920 S 0.0 0.6 2:39.40 133m ntop 5638 cer 15 0 142m 11m 6156 S 0.0 1.1 0:54.52 131m nautilus 5662 cer 15 0 145m 15m 4228 S 3.0 1.5 2:48.92 130m gnome-terminal 27227 cer 15 0 165m 36m 16m S 0.0 3.6 0:17.68 129m firefox-bin 5637 cer 15 0 122m 13m 7808 S 1.0 1.3 12:02.35 109m gnome-panel 5533 root 15 0 132m 25m 6248 S 5.0 2.5 32:36.12 106m X 4745 mysql 15 0 106m 872 92 S 0.3 0.1 0:36.42 105m mysqld 5A 5694 cer 18 0 108m 3320 2500 S 0.0 0.3 0:01.59 105m nm-applet 5683 cer 18 0 107m 10m 3228 S 0.0 1.1 0:09.98 96m opensuse-update 5997 cer 15 0 93616 3716 2212 S 0.0 0.4 0:08.55 87m mixer_applet2 ....

That adds to 2713 m, and there are more in the list i haven't summed. There most be holes, or reused chunks :-?

And if I add the "swap" column, it doesn't match either.

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Friday 2008-02-15 at 03:18 -0000, David Bolt wrote:

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Start up top in a console. Then press shift-F, then press 'p', then press return. That will display a list of all the processes sorted in order of which one is using the most swap.

Curious!

The sum of memory used is much larger than the used swap in my machine:

top - 21:50:57 up 1 day, 15:21, 35 users, load average: 0.78, 0.69, 0.72 Tasks: 247 total, 1 running, 245 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie Cpu(s): 10.2%us, 3.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 85.5%id, 0.3%wa, 0.6%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st Mem: 1035972k total, 948016k used, 87956k free, 35084k buffers Swap: 12594880k total, 688312k used, 11906568k free, 504548k cached

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ SWAP COMMAND 14475 cer 15 0 716m 33m 1656 S 0.3 3.3 3:04.49 682m java.bin 6080 cer 15 0 258m 7612 3100 S 0.0 0.7 1:00.31 250m gimp-2.2 26698 cer 15 0 195m 3832 760 S 0.0 0.4 1:00.68 191m java.bin 27273 cer 15 0 147m 9.9m 6100 S 0.0 1.0 0:12.99 137m gedit 4943 root 17 0 138m 776 536 S 0.0 0.1 0:07.19 137m nscd 3806 wwwrun 15 0 139m 5920 920 S 0.0 0.6 2:39.40 133m ntop 5638 cer 15 0 142m 11m 6156 S 0.0 1.1 0:54.52 131m nautilus 5662 cer 15 0 145m 15m 4228 S 3.0 1.5 2:48.92 130m gnome-terminal 27227 cer 15 0 165m 36m 16m S 0.0 3.6 0:17.68 129m firefox-bin 5637 cer 15 0 122m 13m 7808 S 1.0 1.3 12:02.35 109m gnome-panel 5533 root 15 0 132m 25m 6248 S 5.0 2.5 32:36.12 106m X 4745 mysql 15 0 106m 872 92 S 0.3 0.1 0:36.42 105m mysqld 5A 5694 cer 18 0 108m 3320 2500 S 0.0 0.3 0:01.59 105m nm-applet 5683 cer 18 0 107m 10m 3228 S 0.0 1.1 0:09.98 96m opensuse-update 5997 cer 15 0 93616 3716 2212 S 0.0 0.4 0:08.55 87m mixer_applet2 ....

That adds to 2713 m, and there are more in the list i haven't summed. There most be holes, or reused chunks :-?

Of course. How many processes are using the same executable? If you have 15 bash processes running, there's only one copy of bash in memory...the other 14 are reusing the same 'text' (executable) section, while all 15 have their own data chunks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Feb 16, 2008 6:04 AM, Mike wrote:

On February 14, 2008, David Bolt wrote:

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Mike wrote:-

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I just upgraded to 10.3 this month. Start up top in a console. Then press shift-F, then press 'p', then press return. That will display a list of all the processes sorted in order of which one is using the most swap.

PID TIME+ SWAP COMMAND 3509 140m nscd 8595 122m firefox-bin 3577 90m beagled 7202 74m kmail 17554 53m knotify 3625 53m beagled-helper 10159 47m beagled-helper 8919 47m kio_http 8918 47m kio_http 7233 47m beagled-helper 29436 47m beagled-helper 8921 46m kio_http 8920 46m kio_http 14221 46m beagled-helper 30730 45m beagled-helper 13068 43m beagled-helper 11343 42m beagled-helper 13198 42m beagled-helper 10539 42m beagled-helper 14126 42m beagled-helper 13396 42m beagled-helper 11117 41m beagled-helper

So the Shift-F p combo in top will now be known as the dog whistle

Yikes... Another reason to just kill the beagle. -- ----------JSA--------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Feb 16, 2008 3:13 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* John Andersen [02-16-08 13:40]:

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On Feb 16, 2008 6:04 AM, Mike wrote:

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order of which one is using the most swap.

PID TIME+ SWAP COMMAND 3509 140m nscd 8595 122m firefox-bin 3577 90m beagled 7202 74m kmail 17554 53m knotify 3625 53m beagled-helper 10159 47m beagled-helper 8919 47m kio_http 8918 47m kio_http 7233 47m beagled-helper 29436 47m beagled-helper 8921 46m kio_http 8920 46m kio_http 14221 46m beagled-helper 30730 45m beagled-helper 13068 43m beagled-helper 11343 42m beagled-helper 13198 42m beagled-helper 10539 42m beagled-helper 14126 42m beagled-helper 13396 42m beagled-helper 11117 41m beagled-helper

Another reason to just kill the beagle.

No, as has been explained again and again. There appears an errant file on the system. Do "beagled-shutdown" (iirc). Allow beagle to shutdown gracefully. Then restart beagled. If you have the opportunity, perform an fsdisk on your system.

By killing the beagle, I did not condone a kill command. I meant just don't run it at all. Turn it off. Its way more trouble than its worth at this point. Until it can become totally un-intrusive, detect and avoid the problems that cause it to chew up 100% cpu, its of no use. Beagle exists because Microsoft has an auto-indexer (which most people turn off), and we all know Linux must rush to have every useless thing the Microsoft has. -- ----------JSA--------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* John Andersen [02-17-08 14:27]: ....

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Beagle exists because Microsoft has an auto-indexer (which most people turn off), and we all know Linux must rush to have every useless thing the Microsoft has. </opinion>

not based in fact!

In all honesty, I don't know of anyone who uses Microsoft's "file indexer"...and I've heard quite a few people laugh at MS'es notion that a filesystem should be a data-base manager of the CONTENTS of files. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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I meant just don't run it at all. Turn it off. Its way more trouble than its worth at this point. Until it can become totally un-intrusive, detect and avoid the problems that cause it to chew up 100% cpu, its of no use.

While there were several problems reported here in the last couple of months regarding beagle, there were 4 releases of beagle which contained improvements to the same problems. Giving 4 links to the release notes would be cumbersome, but all of the problems discussed recently were addressed in those releases. Shouldn't the dog in its new pants be given a chance ?

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Beagle exists because Microsoft has an auto-indexer (which most people turn off), and we all know Linux must rush to have every useless thing the Microsoft has.

Beagle is more than a file indexer. - dBera -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hans Witvliet wrote:

On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 17:18 -0600, Jim Flanagan wrote:

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Mike wrote:

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I just upgraded to 10.3 this month.

When I was running 9.3 I rarely touched swap, now after a few days without logging off the system monitor shows it filling up.

Is there a command that can tell me what is filling swap, I haven't been running BOINC since the migration, I usually have firefox and kmail open and a terminal.

Checking ps it looks like it might be beagle

If you leave Firefox open for some days, esp with several windows or tabs open, it will start eating up memory resources. I haven't seen this happen in one day's time, but over several days it happens.

Indeed, On one of my machines (10,1, so: no beagle) i leave FF open in order to have a quick glance at cacti. After several weeks sysstem becomes rather sluggish. Just stopping & restartting FF made considerable differences...

Both branches of Mozilla (Firefox and Seamonkey) exhibit this behavior. Part of it, I believe, is the pre-fetching of the pages which links in each page link to. There also appears to still be some memory-leak problems on both branches. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org