Hi all, I am wondering if there is a development area, perhaps Sourceforge, where I can post ideas and or newly declared programs source code so that the software can be developed by the opensource community ie If I were the owner of the Windows Quicken code and I had recently decided to change licenses to open source, where would I post the idea/Windows source code so that a new project could be started and the source be worked on. I am interested as it may be possible that some amateur radio software which is currently closed source will be moving to opensource where it can be developed for use on all OS's. -- The Little Helper ======================================================================== Hylton Conacher - Linux user # 229959 at http://counter.li.org Currently using SuSE 9.0 Professional with KDE 3.1 Licenced Windows user ========================================================================
On Sunday 07 November 2004 09:40, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
Hi all,
I am wondering if there is a development area, perhaps Sourceforge, where I can post ideas and or newly declared programs source code so that the software can be developed by the opensource community ie If I were the owner of the Windows Quicken code and I had recently decided to change licenses to open source, where would I post the idea/Windows source code so that a new project could be started and the source be worked on.
I am interested as it may be possible that some amateur radio software which is currently closed source will be moving to opensource where it can be developed for use on all OS's.
-- The Little Helper ======================================================================== Hylton Conacher - Linux user # 229959 at http://counter.li.org Currently using SuSE 9.0 Professional with KDE 3.1 Licenced Windows user ======================================================================== Sourceforge will do, lots of opensource projects there...
Jerry
Hylton, On Sunday 07 November 2004 03:24, Jerry Westrick wrote:
On Sunday 07 November 2004 09:40, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
Hi all,
I am wondering if there is a development area, perhaps Sourceforge, where I can post ideas and or newly declared programs source code so that the software can be developed by the opensource community ...
...
-- The Little Helper Hylton Conacher
Sourceforge will do, lots of opensource projects there...
Be sure you read carefully the terms of use for SouceForge projects. I considered using it once, but found that the terms were a little too one-sided for me. In particular, you can never reclaim any source code you've stored on the SourceForge servers--it's theirs forever.
Jerry
Randall Schulz
On Sun 7 November 2004 16:52, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Hylton,
On Sunday 07 November 2004 03:24, Jerry Westrick wrote:
On Sunday 07 November 2004 09:40, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
Hi all,
I am wondering if there is a development area, perhaps Sourceforge, where I can post ideas and or newly declared programs source code so that the software can be developed by the opensource community [snipped] Sourceforge will do, lots of opensource projects there...
Be sure you read carefully the terms of use for SouceForge projects. I considered using it once, but found that the terms were a little too one-sided for me. In particular, you can never reclaim any source code you've stored on the SourceForge servers--it's theirs forever.
Jerry
Randall Schulz
Where did you see that? Sounds like F.U.D. to me! They do insist that you use an OSI approved license, and they do make it specific that the SourceForge/OSTG group enjoy the same rights as a regular user, but that is all I see there. jalal -- GPG fingerprint = 3D45 5509 D380 26A4 523E A9D8 A66A 5F38 CA43 BB0E
Jalal, On Monday 08 November 2004 02:56, jalal wrote:
On Sun 7 November 2004 16:52, Randall R Schulz wrote:
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Be sure you read carefully the terms of use for SouceForge projects. I considered using it once, but found that the terms were a little too one-sided for me. In particular, you can never reclaim any source code you've stored on the SourceForge servers--it's theirs forever.
Jerry
Randall Schulz
Where did you see that?
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=6048&group_id=1 Section 5, paragraph 3: "OSTG, in its sole and absolute discretion, may preserve Content ..." Section 6, paragraph 2: "With respect to text or data entered into and stored by publicly-accessible site features such as message boards and bug trackers ("SourceForge.net Public Content"), the submitting user retains ownership of such SourceForge.net Public Content; with respect to publicly-available statistical content which is generated by the site to monitor and display project activity, such content is owned by OSTG. In each such case, the submitting user grants OSTG the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed, all subject to the terms of any applicable approved license." I'd highlight the pertinent phrases, but you know--styled text is evil.
Sounds like F.U.D. to me!
Ah. The all-purpose dismissal.
They do insist that you use an OSI approved license, and they do make it specific that the SourceForge/OSTG group enjoy the same rights as a regular user, but that is all I see there.
jalal
Randall Schulz
On Monday 08 November 2004 17:41, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Section 6, paragraph 2:
"With respect to text or data entered into and stored by publicly-accessible site features such as message boards and bug trackers ("SourceForge.net Public Content"), the submitting user retains ownership of such SourceForge.net Public Content; with respect to publicly-available statistical content which is generated by the site to monitor and display project activity, such content is owned by OSTG. In each such case, the submitting user grants OSTG the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed, all subject to the terms of any applicable approved license."
I'm not sure what your problem is with this Randall, given that most projects there are Gpl. Shouldn't we be supporting sites like sourceforge? I've found it very useful many times. Jake
Jake, On Monday 08 November 2004 14:23, Jake wrote:
On Monday 08 November 2004 17:41, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Section 6, paragraph 2:
"With respect to text or data entered into and stored by publicly-accessible site features such as message boards and bug trackers ("SourceForge.net Public Content"), the submitting user retains ownership of such SourceForge.net Public Content; with respect to publicly-available statistical content which is generated by the site to monitor and display project activity, such content is owned by OSTG. In each such case, the submitting user grants OSTG the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed, all subject to the terms of any applicable approved license."
I'm not sure what your problem is with this Randall, given that most projects there are GPL. Shouldn't we be supporting sites like sourceforge? I've found it very useful many times.
First of all, it was about three years ago when I looked into this, so my memory is not very clear. I just remember that I was deterred from opening a SourceForge project for my work. In truth, I ended up deciding to keep the project entirely private, at least through its early life. Given its esoteric appeal, I'm not sure how much help I'd get from other programmers and it's entirely likely that it would not have been worth the complications of opening the source. It is also possible that SourceForge has changed its terms since that time, but since I did not keep a record of the terms in effect in 2001, I can't confirm that possibility. Certainly I support open source software development--where would any of us be without it? But I don't believe authors should relinquish control over their projects because they choose to avail themselves of SourceForge's resources. It was in part that possibility that caused me to decide against using it. I also have a vague recollection of reading reports from some SourceForge users who felt they'd been inappropriately denied the right to reclaim all the materials of their project. And for the record, I have a SourceForge login and occasionally have lent a (small) hand to projects hosted there.
Jake
Randall Schulz
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Randall R Schulz wrote:
First of all, it was about three years ago when I looked into this, so my memory is not very clear. <...> It is also possible that SourceForge has changed its terms since that time, but since I did not keep a record of the terms in effect in 2001, I can't confirm that possibility.
Have you checked old sf.net page at http://web.archive.org/ ??? -- Marcos Lazarini
Marcos, On Tuesday 09 November 2004 10:17, Marcos Vinicius Lazarini wrote:
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Randall R Schulz wrote:
First of all, it was about three years ago when I looked into this, so my memory is not very clear. <...> It is also possible that SourceForge has changed its terms since that time, but since I did not keep a record of the terms in effect in 2001, I can't confirm that possibility.
Have you checked old sf.net page at http://web.archive.org/ ???
No, but I'm not particularly motivated to do so, either. What was does not concern me too much. I'm really not trying to dissuade anyone from using SourceForge, just to counsel caution and due diligence about where one will stand as an author if they turn their projects over to them or any other particular open source repository. When the time comes to consider opening my project, I'll have to do the same.
-- Marcos Lazarini
Randall Schulz
Jake wrote:
On Monday 08 November 2004 17:41, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Section 6, paragraph 2:
"With respect to text or data entered into and stored by publicly-accessible site features such as message boards and bug trackers ("SourceForge.net Public Content"), the submitting user retains ownership of such SourceForge.net Public Content; with respect to publicly-available statistical content which is generated by the site to monitor and display project activity, such content is owned by OSTG. In each such case, the submitting user grants OSTG the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed, all subject to the terms of any applicable approved license."
I'm not sure what your problem is with this Randall, given that most projects there are Gpl. Shouldn't we be supporting sites like sourceforge? I've found it very useful many times.
Jake
As a first read I homed in on "other works in any form", thought binary closed source, then saw "applicable approved license", spells GPL for me also. If it could have been interpreted as other than GPL, I'm sure we would have heard the shouts from early and the site would be pretty empty of projects. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
On Mon 8 November 2004 18:41, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Jalal,
On Monday 08 November 2004 02:56, jalal wrote:
On Sun 7 November 2004 16:52, Randall R Schulz wrote:
...
Be sure you read carefully the terms of use for SouceForge projects. I considered using it once, but found that the terms were a little too one-sided for me. In particular, you can never reclaim any source code you've stored on the SourceForge servers--it's theirs forever.
Randall Schulz
Where did you see that?
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=6048&group_id=1
[snipped sf.net t&c]
I'd highlight the pertinent phrases, but you know--styled text is evil.
Evil, unnecessary and a waste of bandwidth... but we've all been there very recently so lets not start again.
Sounds like F.U.D. to me!
Ah. The all-purpose dismissal.
but I think it is applicable in this case, as I don't think you have really understood what SourceForge is writing in their t & c, which is simply reserving the rights that every user of the software has. They are simply making it explicit, rather than relying on the implicitness of the GPL.. You spoke as if you knew differently and therefore can be "dismissed" as spreading F. U. D. around. 8^} jalal -- GPG fingerprint = 3D45 5509 D380 26A4 523E A9D8 A66A 5F38 CA43 BB0E
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