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Swapnil Bhartiya

29 Jan 2012 29 Jan '12

17:16

Hi, How can I upgrade to KDE 4.8 without breaking the system. I am running 12.1 Thanks. Swapnil Bhartiya -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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phanisvara das

29 Jan 29 Jan

17:45

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:46:27 +0530, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote:

Hi,

How can I upgrade to KDE 4.8 without breaking the system. I am running 12.1

by adding this repo, http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/48/openSUSE_12.1/ , and switching packages from the standard OSS repo to it -- via yast software management or zypper (zypper dup --from <new KDE repo>). -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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John Andersen

30 Jan 30 Jan

01:15

On 1/29/2012 9:45 AM, phanisvara das wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:46:27 +0530, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote:

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Hi,

How can I upgrade to KDE 4.8 without breaking the system. I am running 12.1

by adding this repo, http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/48/openSUSE_12.1/ , and switching packages from the standard OSS repo to it -- via yast software management or zypper (zypper dup --from <new KDE repo>).

I would like to try it for 11.4 as well, and I see the directory for doing so. My question is: Is it Time Yet? A minor inconvenience here or there I can deal with, but crashing and burning, and gnashing of teeth would not be what I'm looking for just yet. How stable is 4.8 -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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phanisvara das

01:36

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:45:04 +0530, John Andersen wrote:

On 1/29/2012 9:45 AM, phanisvara das wrote:

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On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:46:27 +0530, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote:

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Hi,

How can I upgrade to KDE 4.8 without breaking the system. I am running 12.1

by adding this repo, http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/48/openSUSE_12.1/ , and switching packages from the standard OSS repo to it -- via yast software management or zypper (zypper dup --from <new KDE repo>).

I would like to try it for 11.4 as well, and I see the directory for doing so.

My question is: Is it Time Yet?

A minor inconvenience here or there I can deal with, but crashing and burning, and gnashing of teeth would not be what I'm looking for just yet.

How stable is 4.8

i have been using 4.8 for the last few days now, three or four, and hardly notice any difference to 4.7. everything looks the same, except dolphin, which looks better, and nothing broke for me. haven't seen any negative reports on forums or mailing lists either, after the first few days, when some dependencies weren't in place yet. if you're using kamil2 already there shouldn't be any migration issues. otherwise, migrating from kmail->kmail2 still doesn't seem to work as it should, according to people's complaints. i've seen some posts saying that akonadi/nepomuk related things were using 100% CPU again, but for me that got solved easily by killing the processes in question and/or running "akonadictl restart". some bugs & crashes depend on hardware configuration or software choices, but in general i think 4.8 is better and not less stable than 4.7. not offering any guarantee though... -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Thomas Taylor

06:26

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:06:29 +0530 "phanisvara das" wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:45:04 +0530, John Andersen wrote:

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On 1/29/2012 9:45 AM, phanisvara das wrote:

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On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:46:27 +0530, Swapnil Bhartiya >> wrote:

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Hi,

How can I upgrade to KDE 4.8 without breaking the system. I am running

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> 12.1

by adding this repo, >> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/48/openSUSE_12.1/

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, and switching packages from the standard OSS repo to it -- via yast software management or zypper (zypper dup >> --from <new KDE repo>).

I would like to try it for 11.4 as well, and I see the directory for > doing so.

My question is: Is it Time Yet?

A minor inconvenience here or there I can deal with, but crashing and > burning, and gnashing of teeth would not be what I'm looking for just yet.

How stable is 4.8

i have been using 4.8 for the last few days now, three or four, and hardly notice any difference to 4.7. everything looks the same, except dolphin, which looks better, and nothing broke for me. haven't seen any negative reports on forums or mailing lists either, after the first few days, when some dependencies weren't in place yet.

if you're using kamil2 already there shouldn't be any migration issues. otherwise, migrating from kmail->kmail2 still doesn't seem to work as it should, according to people's complaints. i've seen some posts saying that akonadi/nepomuk related things were using 100% CPU again, but for me that got solved easily by killing the processes in question and/or running "akonadictl restart".

some bugs & crashes depend on hardware configuration or software choices, but in general i think 4.8 is better and not less stable than 4.7. not offering any guarantee though...

Using the repo you advised created MANY conflicts when I ran zypper dup --from KDE_4-8. Finally gave up after 7 or 8. Apparently not everything has been brought up to date yet. Tom -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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phanisvara das

06:35

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:56:37 +0530, Thomas Taylor wrote:

Using the repo you advised created MANY conflicts when I ran zypper dup --from KDE_4-8. Finally gave up after 7 or 8. Apparently not everything has been brought up to date yet.

strange, i didn't get any unresolveable issues. were you using app.s from KDE/Extra and/or KDE/Unstable:/Playground? in that case you'd have to add the corresponding repo.s for 4.8, too. and then, while doing zypper dup, you'd get issues that can be solved by allowing to switch to packages from "excluded repos," which refers to extra & playground. otherwise i guess i just was lucky... -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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C

09:20

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 07:35, phanisvara das wrote:

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Using the repo you advised created MANY conflicts when I ran zypper dup --from KDE_4-8. Finally gave up after 7 or 8. Apparently not everything has been brought up to date yet.

strange, i didn't get any unresolveable issues. were you using app.s from KDE/Extra and/or KDE/Unstable:/Playground? in that case you'd have to add the corresponding repo.s for 4.8, too. and then, while doing zypper dup, you'd get issues that can be solved by allowing to switch to packages from "excluded repos," which refers to extra & playground.

otherwise i guess i just was lucky...

Have you run into: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469 and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292057 while using KDE4.8? As soon as I installed from the Upstream repo, I ran smack into these bugs and the Task Manager and even Panel became completely unusable. So much so, I had to roll back to KDE4.7.4 (where the bug is only a minor annoyance vs completely breaking things like it does in KDE4.8). You say you didn't run into any unresolvable issues... Are you using a different Qt build/version? The default one for 12.1? Anything else? How did you work around the bug? Or if you haven't seen it, I'd be interested in what is different between your and my KDE4.8 installs. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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phanisvara das

09:44

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:50:33 +0530, C wrote:

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Have you run into: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469 and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292057 while using KDE4.8? As soon as I installed from the Upstream repo, I ran smack into these bugs and the Task Manager and even Panel became completely unusable. So much so, I had to roll back to KDE4.7.4 (where the bug is only a minor annoyance vs completely breaking things like it does in KDE4.8).

You say you didn't run into any unresolvable issues... Are you using a different Qt build/version? The default one for 12.1? Anything else? How did you work around the bug? Or if you haven't seen it, I'd be interested in what is different between your and my KDE4.8 installs.

i've never seen these two bugs on my system; neither with KDE 4.7 nor 4.8. i've been using KDE/Distro:/Factory until some time ago, but switched to KDE/Release:/47 shortly after oS 12.1 came out, and now to Release:/48 following is my hard- and software details; please tell me if there's anything else you'd like to know: i'm using 3 KDE repos at present: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/48/openSUSE_12.1/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Extra/KDE_Release_47_openSUSE... http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Unstable:/Playground/KDE_Rele... apart from that i have quite a few additional repo.s enabled which may or may not influence things in KDE (listed at the end). hardware: Processor (CPU): Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz Speed: 2,394.00 MHz Cores: 4 RAM: 8 GB uname -a: Linux phani 3.1.9-1.4-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jan 27 08:55:10 UTC 2012 (efb5ff4) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux graphics: GeForce 7900 GS with nvidia 290.10 via the nvidia .run file and here's my full repo. list (haven't removed R:/47 yet, but they're disabled): # | Alias | Name | Enabled | Refresh | Priority | Type | URI | Service ---+---------------------------+----------------------------+---------+---------+----------+--------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-------- 1 | KDE_extra_release_47 | KDE_extra_release_47 | No | No | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Extra/KDE_Release_47_openSUSE... | 2 | KDE_extra_release_48 | KDE_extra_release_48 | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Extra/KDE_Release_48_openSUSE... | 3 | KDE_release_47 | KDE_release_47 | No | No | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/47/openSUSE_12.1/ | 4 | KDE_release_48 | KDE_release_48 | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/48/openSUSE_12.1/ | 5 | KDE_unstable_playground_1 | KDE_unstable_playground | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Unstable:/Playground/KDE_Rele... | 6 | awesome-oS-factory | awesome-oS-factory | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/saispo/openSUSE_Factory | 7 | dev-lang-python | dev-lang-python | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/devel:/languages:/python/openSUSE_... | 8 | ealin-telepathy | ealin-telepathy | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/ealin:/kde-telepathy/openSUS... | 9 | education | education | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/openSUSE_12.1/ | 10 | enzokiel_12.1_update | enzokiel_12.1_update | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/enzokiel/openSUSE_12.1_Updat... | 11 | factory_contrib_11.2 | factory_contrib_11.2 | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Factory:/Contrib/openSUS... | 12 | fcrozat-systemd | fcrozat-systemd | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/fcrozat:/systemd/openSUSE_12... | 13 | games | games | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/games/openSUSE_12.1/ | 14 | google-chrome | google-chrome | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/rpm/stable/x86_64 | 15 | google-earth | google-earth | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://dl.google.com/linux/earth/rpm/stable/x86_64 | 16 | mozilla_12.1 | mozilla_12.1 | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_12.1/ | 17 | multimedia | multimedia | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/apps/openSUSE_12.1 | 18 | openSUSE_12.1 | libreoffice-unstable | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/openSUSE_12.... | 19 | packman | packman | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://packman.inode.at/suse/12.1/ | 20 | repo-debug | openSUSE-12.1-Debug | No | Yes | 99 | NONE | http://download.opensuse.org/debug/distribution/12.1/repo/oss/ | 21 | repo-debug-update | openSUSE-12.1-Update-Debug | No | Yes | 99 | NONE | http://download.opensuse.org/debug/update/12.1/ | 22 | repo-non-oss | openSUSE-12.1-Non-Oss | Yes | Yes | 99 | yast2 | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.1/repo/non-oss/ | 23 | repo-oss | openSUSE-12.1-Oss | Yes | Yes | 99 | yast2 | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.1/repo/oss/ | 24 | repo-source | openSUSE-12.1-Source | No | Yes | 99 | NONE | http://download.opensuse.org/source/distribution/12.1/repo/oss/ | 25 | repo-update | openSUSE-12.1-Update | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/update/12.1/ | 26 | subpixel | subpixel | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://repos.opensuse-community.org/subpixel/openSUSE_12.1/ | 27 | supertux-2 | supertux-2 | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/worldcitizen/openSUSE_12.1/ | 28 | vBox_Oracle_oS-11.4 | vBox_Oracle_oS-11.4 | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/rpm/opensuse/11.4/ | 29 | videolan | videolan | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.videolan.org/pub/vlc/SuSE/12.1/ | 30 | xorg | xorg | No | No | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/XOrg/openSUSE_12.1/ -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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phanisvara das

09:48

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:14:31 +0530, you wrote in :

i'm using 3 KDE repos at present:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/48/openSUSE_12.1/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Extra/KDE_Release_47_openSUSE... http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Unstable:/Playground/KDE_Rele...

sorry, the one in the middle there isn't supposed to be KDE:/Extra/KDE_Release_47_openSUSE_12.1/ of course, but the 48 version. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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C

10:09

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:44, phanisvara das wrote:

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Have you run into: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469 and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292057 while using KDE4.8? As soon as I installed from the Upstream repo, I ran smack into these bugs and the Task Manager and even Panel became completely unusable. So much so, I had to roll back to KDE4.7.4 (where the bug is only a minor annoyance vs completely breaking things like it does in KDE4.8).

You say you didn't run into any unresolvable issues... Are you using a different Qt build/version? The default one for 12.1? Anything else? How did you work around the bug? Or if you haven't seen it, I'd be interested in what is different between your and my KDE4.8 installs.

i've never seen these two bugs on my system; neither with KDE 4.7 nor 4.8. i've been using KDE/Distro:/Factory until some time ago, but switched to KDE/Release:/47 shortly after oS 12.1 came out, and now to Release:/48

following is my hard- and software details; please tell me if there's anything else you'd like to know:

i'm using 3 KDE repos at present:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/48/openSUSE_12.1/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Extra/KDE_Release_47_openSUSE... http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Unstable:/Playground/KDE_Rele...

apart from that i have quite a few additional repo.s enabled which may or may not influence things in KDE (listed at the end).

[snip] There are minor differences in our hardware and repo list.. but not that many (you have education and a couple of user repos that I don't have) The odd thing is... on every release of KDE since KDE4.6 on all machines (various laptops/desktops and in VirtualBox as well) I've installed it on (using openSUSE releases/repos) has had an issue/regression with the Task Manager. Since KDE4.6.x, it manifests itself as an app that remains as a "button" on the Task Manager after you've exited the app. it's a hit/miss whether the app remains after closing, and usually after either opening another app, or opening/closing the KMenu the Task Manager is refreshed. it's not a show stopper, just an annoyance. With my install of KDE4.8 from the Upstream repo it got worse.. a LOT worse. Not only do app "ghosts" remain behind on the Task Manager, some apps never show up there while they are running. Plus, and this is where the usability died on me, the whole Panel becomes unresponsive to clicks... for 30 seconds (up to about 90 seconds) at a time. Any click I do during that period seem to queue up, and when the panel "wakes up" everything I clicked on happens all at once. I gave up on KDE4.8 and rolled back to KDE4.7.4 to get a usable desktop back. The bugs have been reported... by others... what I find really odd is... some people are not seeing this.. yet I see it on every machine I've installed it on over the weekend. I haven't tested in VirtualBox yet - maybe tonight. I've got to wonder... why some people see it and others don't. I'll look closer at the repo differences we have... see if I can spot it. From what I read, it's a QT thing.. maybe you've got a newer QT than I do? I'm using 4.8.0.245.1 (comes from my KDE4.7.4 Factory install).... C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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phanisvara das

10:21

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:39:14 +0530, C wrote:

I gave up on KDE4.8 and rolled back to KDE4.7.4 to get a usable desktop back. The bugs have been reported... by others... what I find really odd is... some people are not seeing this.. yet I see it on every machine I've installed it on over the weekend. I haven't tested in VirtualBox yet - maybe tonight. I've got to wonder... why some people see it and others don't.

did you try with a new user account, in case it's a configuration issue?

I'll look closer at the repo differences we have... see if I can spot it. From what I read, it's a QT thing.. maybe you've got a newer QT than I do? I'm using 4.8.0.245.1 (comes from my KDE4.7.4 Factory install)....

my Qt is the same as your's. somehow i don't think it's anything to do with the additional repos. from the 'exotic' one's i'm using just one or two packages for a specific purpose. that shouldn't have any impact on KDE's task manager. other than it being a config. issue somewhere in your HOME, i have no idea what the problem might be. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Basil Chupin

10:42

On 30/01/12 21:21, phanisvara das wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:39:14 +0530, C wrote:

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I gave up on KDE4.8 and rolled back to KDE4.7.4 to get a usable desktop back. The bugs have been reported... by others... what I find really odd is... some people are not seeing this.. yet I see it on every machine I've installed it on over the weekend. I haven't tested in VirtualBox yet - maybe tonight. I've got to wonder... why some people see it and others don't.

did you try with a new user account, in case it's a configuration issue?

...
I'll look closer at the repo differences we have... see if I can spot it. From what I read, it's a QT thing.. maybe you've got a newer QT than I do? I'm using 4.8.0.245.1 (comes from my KDE4.7.4 Factory install)....

my Qt is the same as your's. somehow i don't think it's anything to do with the additional repos. from the 'exotic' one's i'm using just one or two packages for a specific purpose. that shouldn't have any impact on KDE's task manager.

other than it being a config. issue somewhere in your HOME, i have no idea what the problem might be.

<Sigh> C keeps talking about him installing his 4.8 from the UPSTREAM repo(s) and you are talking about installing v4.8 from the OPENSUSE repos. I don't know who is jerking whom in all this......maybe it's me....dunno..... (And now, suddenly, another repo comes into play called Tumbelweed. HOW MANY REPOS ARE THERE TO DO BATTLE WITH WHEN IT COMES TO OPENSUSE, for chrissake!?) BC -- The wise man does at once what a fool does finally. Niccolo Machiavelli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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C

10:45

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:42, Basil Chupin wrote:

<Sigh>

C keeps talking about him installing his 4.8 from the UPSTREAM repo(s) and you are talking about installing v4.8 from the OPENSUSE repos.

I don't know who is jerking whom in all this......maybe it's me....dunno.....

(And now, suddenly, another repo comes into play called Tumbelweed.

HOW MANY REPOS ARE THERE TO DO BATTLE WITH WHEN IT COMES TO OPENSUSE, for chrissake!?)

There aren't that many... if you go to the Wiki you will find this page http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories and the KDE4.8 repos that Phanisvara pointed Swapnil at are the Upstream repos as detailed on the Wiki page. See http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories#Upstream_release_aka._KR48_.28KDE_SC... In other words.. if you want to upgrade KDE, look at the Wiki. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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phanisvara das

10:50

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:12:02 +0530, Basil Chupin wrote:

<Sigh> C keeps talking about him installing his 4.8 from the UPSTREAM repo(s) and you are talking about installing v4.8 from the OPENSUSE repos.

i think he refers to the repos under http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/ as "upstream."

I don't know who is jerking whom in all this......maybe it's me....dunno.....

afraid so...

(And now, suddenly, another repo comes into play called Tumbelweed. HOW MANY REPOS ARE THERE TO DO BATTLE WITH WHEN IT COMES TO OPENSUSE, for chrissake!?)

very very many, but tumbleweed doesn't do KDE 4.8 yet, i think. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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jdd

11:32

New subject: [opensuse] Re: How To Upgrade To KDE 4.8

Le 30/01/2012 11:50, phanisvara das a écrit :

very very many, but tumbleweed doesn't do KDE 4.8 yet, i think.

tumbleweed is not a kde repo, but a more large rolling release repo. It is said to hold all the packages from factory that are considered stable by they developpers and is setup by Greg K-H, Kernel maintainer and SUSE member, quite a serious guy :-) I *often* tryed to use recent kde (mostly to have very last Digikam) and *always* had to reinstall my config due to dependency problems. Kde (last version) may perfectly work on empty config, but I have nearly 11Go of applications in / (not including any /home, of course) and not all appreciate. Of course everybody do what best fit they need :-) and by the way I don't use tumbleweed myself jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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C

10:43

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:21, phanisvara das wrote:

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I gave up on KDE4.8 and rolled back to KDE4.7.4 to get a usable desktop back. The bugs have been reported... by others... what I find really odd is... some people are not seeing this.. yet I see it on every machine I've installed it on over the weekend. I haven't tested in VirtualBox yet - maybe tonight. I've got to wonder... why some people see it and others don't.

did you try with a new user account, in case it's a configuration issue?

On my KDE4.8 install... single user - I didn't have time to test on a new user/config. The bug in general shows up on every user across multiple installs with every release of KDE since 4.6.0. It's there in the default install of oS12.1 as well (the minor issue of apps not always being immediately removed from the Task Manager after exiting).

my Qt is the same as your's. somehow i don't think it's anything to do with the additional repos. from the 'exotic' one's i'm using just one or two packages for a specific purpose. that shouldn't have any impact on KDE's task manager.

other than it being a config. issue somewhere in your HOME, i have no idea what the problem might be.

Hmmm well if I find some spare time tonight, I'll poke at it again. It really baffles me how I can see that bug on every single KDE install since 4.6.0, yet there are others who never see it... it's not linked to nVidia drivers (that I can, see since it happens on my laptop with Intel video as well). The bugs seem to point at QY bugs.. but... that also seems inconclusive since.. the devs aren't seeing the problem A real puzzler. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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phanisvara das

10:53

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:13:00 +0530, C wrote:

On my KDE4.8 install... single user - I didn't have time to test on a new user/config.

i'd definitely do that. doesn't take much time, and i've seen many puzzling KDE issues that go away with a new config. at the moment i can't get strigi to work with my main user acct., per example, but it works fine on a fresh one. still couldn't figure out why that is, but strigi isn't important enough for me to spend real time on it. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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jdd

08:16

New subject: [opensuse] Re: How To Upgrade To KDE 4.8

if people want last kde, I would advise then to follow tumbelweed, as versions there are at least a bit tested and followed by Greg K-H - mixing last kde with old openSUSE version is something I wouldn't do (unless wanting to play) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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phanisvara das

08:32

New subject: [opensuse] Re: How To Upgrade To KDE 4.8

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:46:39 +0530, jdd wrote:

if people want last kde, I would advise then to follow tumbelweed, as versions there are at least a bit tested and followed by Greg K-H - mixing last kde with old openSUSE version is something I wouldn't do (unless wanting to play)

my experience with "last KDE" has been very good for the last few years. i've always been using KDE repos, mostly KDE/Distro:/Factory, and rarely encountered any real problems. of course, one has to follow what's happening via mailing lists or IRC, in order to know when to jump ship from KDE/Factory before it switches to a new major release, per example. i haven't tried tumbleweed yet, but from what i'm reading in forums & mailing lists, that seems to be less stable than using the proper KDE repos, at the proper time. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Swapnil Bhartiya

09:32

New subject: [opensuse] Re: How To Upgrade To KDE 4.8

On 01/30/2012 09:16 AM, jdd wrote:

if people want last kde, I would advise then to follow tumbelweed, as versions there are at least a bit tested and followed by Greg K-H - mixing last kde with old openSUSE version is something I wouldn't do (unless wanting to play)

Thanks. But I have Nvidia hardware and some say it is not recommended to use Tumbleweed on such systems. I am not compiling Nvidia from source but using the One Click install on openSUSE site. Is it safer for my system? Best Swapnil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Patrick Shanahan

19:30

New subject: [opensuse] Re: How To Upgrade To KDE 4.8

* Swapnil Bhartiya [01-30-12 04:33]:

Thanks. But I have Nvidia hardware and some say it is not recommended to use Tumbleweed on such systems. I am not compiling Nvidia from source but using the One Click install on openSUSE site. Is it safer for my system?

I have been using tumbleweed from the onset w/o problem and I have nvidia video cards on all 4 linux systems. I seldom use "one-click" installs but use zypper. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Swapnil Bhartiya

09:30

On 01/30/2012 02:15 AM, John Andersen wrote:

On 1/29/2012 9:45 AM, phanisvara das wrote:

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On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:46:27 +0530, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote:

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Hi,

How can I upgrade to KDE 4.8 without breaking the system. I am running 12.1

by adding this repo, http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/48/openSUSE_12.1/ , and switching packages from the standard OSS repo to it -- via yast software management or zypper (zypper dup --from <new KDE repo>).

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David C. Rankin

21:50

On 01/29/2012 07:15 PM, John Andersen wrote:

I would like to try it for 11.4 as well, and I see the directory for doing so.

My question is: Is it Time Yet?

A minor inconvenience here or there I can deal with, but crashing and burning, and gnashing of teeth would not be what I'm looking for just yet.

How stable is 4.8

John, I have found very little difference in 4.7.4 and 4.8 except the kdm theme... I don't use the kdepim stuff at all so I can't comment there. I think what we see with kde4 is pretty much what we are going to get. My only lingering frustration is the desktop feels clunky and slow compared to 3.5 and the power-user apps and their configs remain awkward. Same complaints with konqueror --profile filemanagement. konsole is fine, but kate/kwrite edit-window focus/outline/border highlight thing makes using a dark theme impossible without completely disabling that feature oxygen wide (oxygen-settings, Widget Style, Views, uncheck 'Draw focus indicator'.) Thank God ksnapshot will now allow you to save .jpg files instead of .jpeg file... I salute the devs for their hard work on kde4 and persevering to implement the visions of those who gathered in Berlin during March 2005. Unfortunately for me, the design decisions and visions for kde4 have resulted in a desktop that I no longer have any desire to use. That being said, I find 4.8 to work fine... Installed it, spent the weekend running it through its paces, then dumped it and went back to kde3. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Roger Oberholtzer

22:25

On Mon, 2012-01-30 at 15:50 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:

I salute the devs for their hard work on kde4 and persevering to implement the visions of those who gathered in Berlin during March 2005. Unfortunately for me, the design decisions and visions for kde4 have resulted in a desktop that I no longer have any desire to use. That being said, I find 4.8 to work fine... Installed it, spent the weekend running it through its paces, then dumped it and went back to kde3.

Old canine syndrome? :) Said with a smile. And lots of humor. -- Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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John Andersen

31 Jan 31 Jan

00:12

On 1/30/2012 1:50 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 01/29/2012 07:15 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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I would like to try it for 11.4 as well, and I see the directory for doing so.

My question is: Is it Time Yet?

A minor inconvenience here or there I can deal with, but crashing and burning, and gnashing of teeth would not be what I'm looking for just yet.

How stable is 4.8

John,

I have found very little difference in 4.7.4 and 4.8 except the kdm theme... I don't use the kdepim stuff at all so I can't comment there. I think what we see with kde4 is pretty much what we are going to get. My only lingering frustration is the desktop feels clunky and slow compared to 3.5 and the power-user apps and their configs remain awkward. Same complaints with konqueror --profile filemanagement. konsole is fine, but kate/kwrite edit-window focus/outline/border highlight thing makes using a dark theme impossible without completely disabling that feature oxygen wide (oxygen-settings, Widget Style, Views, uncheck 'Draw focus indicator'.) Thank God ksnapshot will now allow you to save .jpg files instead of .jpeg file...

I salute the devs for their hard work on kde4 and persevering to implement the visions of those who gathered in Berlin during March 2005. Unfortunately for me, the design decisions and visions for kde4 have resulted in a desktop that I no longer have any desire to use. That being said, I find 4.8 to work fine... Installed it, spent the weekend running it through its paces, then dumped it and went back to kde3.

Well, I've been on KDE 4.6.3 (Opensuse 11.4) for quite a long time and It does everything I need. I've been very happy with this combo. Everything works for me, and dark themes are not my bag anyway. KDE4 is eminently useable now that activities aren't any more forced upon you, or at least they work quietly and don't get in my face anymore) I've decided to give 12.1 a pass, and wait for 12.2 or maybe .4 when all the systemd stuff is smoothed out. In the mean time, I'm two point releases behind on KDE, and was thinking of catching up with 4.8 since there appear to be packages available for 11.4. Just looking to see if there are any show stoppers. Somewhere I have a KDE3 machine in a VM (Mepis Linux) I have no idea why I keep it. Nostalgia I guess. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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jdd

09:57

New subject: [opensuse] Re: How To Upgrade To KDE 4.8

Le 30/01/2012 22:50, David C. Rankin a écrit :

That being said, I find 4.8 to work fine... Installed it, spent the weekend running it through its paces, then dumped it and went back to kde3.

you need more than one day to be confident with any windows manager. I remember going from kde1 to kde2 !-) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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David C. Rankin

20:16

New subject: [opensuse] Re: How To Upgrade To KDE 4.8

On 01/31/2012 03:57 AM, jdd wrote:

Le 30/01/2012 22:50, David C. Rankin a écrit :

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That being said, I find 4.8 to work fine... Installed it, spent the weekend running it through its paces, then dumped it and went back to kde3.

you need more than one day to be confident with any windows manager. I remember going from kde1 to kde2 !-)

jdd

I think Roger hit the nail on the head... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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