[opensuse] chromium pepper flash and firefox
Ok, I am trying to fully understand this. Whenever I use firefox and I hit some website that uses flash, I get the warning that the adobe flash player is out of date - it is stuck at 11.2 for linux. "Adobe stopped supporting the NPAPI version of Flash on Linux back in 2012, and now only updates it with security fixes—and even those will end on May 4, 2017, five years from the release date of the last supported version released." Taken from this website: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2993902/browsers/how-to-get-the-latest-versio... On that same website, it explains how Chrome and Chromium have their own built in version of PPAPI (the replacement for NPAPI), and that is why in Chrome and Chromium, if you hit a website that has flash, you will be able to browse it without a problem. This is where I get confused. I installed the chromium pepper plugin when I installed chromium, to make sure chromium would work as well as chrome. # rpm -qa | grep chromium chromium-pepper-flash-23.0.0.207-1.1.x86_64 chromium-54.0.2840.100-91.1.x86_64 chromium-ffmpeg-54.0.2840.100-92.1.x86_64 So does this mean that Chrome has pepper embedded with it, but chromium doesn't, and so that is why we need to install this chromium-pepper-flash package? Apparently this is the case, as indicated by this website: http://www.howtogeek.com/193876/using-firefox-on-linux-your-flash-player-is-... If I misunderstood that, let me know. On that website, this brings up another question. That page is all about Ubuntu, and gives some instruction for keeping the equivalent plugin on Ubuntu up to date, when security fixes are needed, as it is not automatic. So one question I have is, will packman keep the chromium-pepper-flash up to date effectively? The only reason I ask is that this seems to be an issue for Ubuntu. Then the next question I have is about another plugin that creates a compatability layer between PPAPI and NPAPI, so that Firefox can use pepper. It is called "Fresh Player Plugin" and the description is on the first website that I linked above. However, again, this is only for Ubuntu. Is there anything equivalent to this plugin for openSUSE? -- George Box: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Laptop #1: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i7-4710HQ | 64 | 16GB Laptop #2: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i5 | 64 | 8GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 10. Dezember 2016, 12:50:03 schrieb George from the tribe:
[...] If I misunderstood that, let me know.
Pepper Flash is not open source and, thus, not included in Chromium. If Flash works in Chromium, the plugin is activated. Just check chrome://plugins/
[...] So one question I have is, will packman keep the chromium-pepper-flash up to date effectively? The only reason I ask is that this seems to be an issue for Ubuntu.
Well, I assume they will do their very best, as for any other package.
[...] However, again, this is only for Ubuntu. Is there anything equivalent to this plugin for openSUSE?
https://software.opensuse.org/package/freshplayerplugin?search_term=freshpla... http://packman.links2linux.de/package/freshplayerplugin I have removed and set the package flash-player to taboo in YaST and Firefox is still able to use flash via this plugin. HTH Jan -- The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/10/2016 08:17 PM, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote:
Am Samstag, 10. Dezember 2016, 12:50:03 schrieb George from the tribe:
[...] If I misunderstood that, let me know.
Pepper Flash is not open source and, thus, not included in Chromium. If Flash works in Chromium, the plugin is activated. Just check chrome://plugins/
[...] So one question I have is, will packman keep the chromium-pepper-flash up to date effectively? The only reason I ask is that this seems to be an issue for Ubuntu.
Well, I assume they will do their very best, as for any other package.
[...] However, again, this is only for Ubuntu. Is there anything equivalent to this plugin for openSUSE?
https://software.opensuse.org/package/freshplayerplugin?search_term=freshpla... http://packman.links2linux.de/package/freshplayerplugin I have removed and set the package flash-player to taboo in YaST and Firefox is still able to use flash via this plugin.
HTH Jan
Thanks, Jan, that worked great! -- George Box: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Laptop #1: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i7-4710HQ | 64 | 16GB Laptop #2: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i5 | 64 | 8GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 2016-12-13 um 11:20 schrieb George from the tribe:
On 12/10/2016 08:17 PM, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote:
Am Samstag, 10. Dezember 2016, 12:50:03 schrieb George from the tribe:
Ubuntu. Is there anything equivalent to this plugin for openSUSE?
https://software.opensuse.org/package/freshplayerplugin?search_term=freshpla...
http://packman.links2linux.de/package/freshplayerplugin I have removed and set the package flash-player to taboo in YaST and Firefox is still able to use flash via this plugin.
HTH Jan
Thanks, Jan, that worked great!
you could also try the new flash 24 beta in original NPAPI form: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer.html https://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashruntimes/flashplayer/linux64... -- Best Regards | Freundliche Grüße | Cordialement | Cordiali Saluti | *DI Rainer Klier* Research & Development, Technical Sales Consultant Namirial GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Rainer Klier
you could also try the new flash 24 beta in original NPAPI form:
Wow! Thank you for heads up! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 2016-12-13 um 12:23 schrieb Andrei Borzenkov:
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Rainer Klier
wrote: you could also try the new flash 24 beta in original NPAPI form:
Wow! Thank you for heads up!
no problem. U R welcome. it works good enough. and i additionally deinstalled all previous installed flash packages and after installing the RPM from adobe labs, i created a link from /usr/lib64/flash-plugin/libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib64/browser-plugins/libflashplayer.so with this setup amazon prime video finally works on firefox. :-D -- Best Regards | Freundliche Grüße | Cordialement | Cordiali Saluti | *DI Rainer Klier* Research & Development, Technical Sales Consultant Namirial GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Rainer Klier
Am 2016-12-13 um 12:23 schrieb Andrei Borzenkov:
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Rainer Klier
wrote: you could also try the new flash 24 beta in original NPAPI form:
Wow! Thank you for heads up!
no problem.
Actually it does not appear to be beta anymore - this is what you are offered on standard download link: https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/ But according to http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/adobe-announced-will-restart-support-flas..., NPAPI version lacks quite a lot of features comparing with PPAPI one. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
hi, Am 2016-12-14 um 09:04 schrieb Andrei Borzenkov:
Actually it does not appear to be beta anymore - this is what you are offered on standard download link: https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/
thanks.
But according to http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/adobe-announced-will-restart-support-flas..., NPAPI version lacks quite a lot of features comparing with PPAPI one.
at least the DRM thing works, because i can use amazon prime video now with firefox. -- Best Regards | Freundliche Grüße | Cordialement | Cordiali Saluti | *DI Rainer Klier* Research & Development, Technical Sales Consultant Namirial GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/14/2016 04:04 PM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Rainer Klier
wrote: Am 2016-12-13 um 12:23 schrieb Andrei Borzenkov:
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Rainer Klier
wrote: you could also try the new flash 24 beta in original NPAPI form:
Wow! Thank you for heads up!
no problem.
Actually it does not appear to be beta anymore - this is what you are offered on standard download link: https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/
But according to http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/adobe-announced-will-restart-support-flas..., NPAPI version lacks quite a lot of features comparing with PPAPI one.
Ok, really strange. I started this thread less a week ago, after I had just installed on my desktop chromium with the chromium-pepper-flash and chromium-ffmpeg packages. Those extra packages were both from packman. A couple of days ago, I wanted to do the same thing on my laptop, and when I looked for chromium-pepper-flash and chromium-ffmpeg, they did not show up in a zypper search. Now when I look at how they are installed on my desktop, it gives the repository as "system packages". # zypper se -s chromium-pepper-flash Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... S | Name | Type | Version | Arch | Repository --+-----------------------+---------+----------------+--------+------------------ i | chromium-pepper-flash | package | 23.0.0.207-1.1 | x86_64 | (System Packages) I cannot install chromium-pepper-flash on my laptop now, and the package is not available in packman. I looked at packman through the web interface, and the package is not there. Anyone know how to get it back? Can we email the packman people and ask them what happened? As Andrei noted, the NPAPI version lacks features with PPAPI, that is why I would prefer the PPAPI version. -- George Box: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Laptop #1: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i7-4710HQ | 64 | 16GB Laptop #2: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i5 | 64 | 8GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:13:10 +0800 George from the tribe wrote: 8< - - - - - snipped - - - - - - >8
Anyone know how to get it back? Can we email the packman people and ask them what happened? As Andrei noted, the NPAPI version lacks features with PPAPI, that is why I would prefer the PPAPI version.
Hi George, FWIW, my system is still running 13.2 and, today, zypper update uninstalled chromium-pepper-flash and replaced it with the following: flash-player-ppapi-24.0.0.186-2.1.x86_64 It also updated Mozilla Firefox to version 50.1.0-94.1. chromium was updated a couple of days ago to 55.0.2883.75-148.1. I'm not sure how closely this relates to your experience, but I thought it might provide one or more useful clues. regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/17/2016 11:44 AM, Carl Hartung wrote:
On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:13:10 +0800 George from the tribe wrote: 8< - - - - - snipped - - - - - - >8
Anyone know how to get it back? Can we email the packman people and ask them what happened? As Andrei noted, the NPAPI version lacks features with PPAPI, that is why I would prefer the PPAPI version.
Hi George,
FWIW, my system is still running 13.2 and, today, zypper update uninstalled chromium-pepper-flash and replaced it with the following:
flash-player-ppapi-24.0.0.186-2.1.x86_64
It also updated Mozilla Firefox to version 50.1.0-94.1. chromium was updated a couple of days ago to 55.0.2883.75-148.1.
I'm not sure how closely this relates to your experience, but I thought it might provide one or more useful clues.
regards,
Carl
Interesting, ok, I am getting a kind of clue as to what is happening. I see that when "system packages" is listed as the source, that means the package is orphaned and no longer available. I just ran a zypper update also, and it removed the pepper-flash package and installed flash-player-ppapi. I wonder, did Adobe decide they were going to make a flash player that firefox can use now, and that is what is suddenly available? -- George Box: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Laptop #1: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i7-4710HQ | 64 | 16GB Laptop #2: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i5 | 64 | 8GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:43:01 +0800 George from the tribe wrote:
On 12/17/2016 11:44 AM, Carl Hartung wrote:
On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:13:10 +0800 George from the tribe wrote: 8< - - - - - snipped - - - - - - >8
Anyone know how to get it back? Can we email the packman people and ask them what happened? As Andrei noted, the NPAPI version lacks features with PPAPI, that is why I would prefer the PPAPI version.
Hi George,
FWIW, my system is still running 13.2 and, today, zypper update uninstalled chromium-pepper-flash and replaced it with the following:
flash-player-ppapi-24.0.0.186-2.1.x86_64
It also updated Mozilla Firefox to version 50.1.0-94.1. chromium was updated a couple of days ago to 55.0.2883.75-148.1.
I'm not sure how closely this relates to your experience, but I thought it might provide one or more useful clues.
regards,
Carl
Interesting, ok, I am getting a kind of clue as to what is happening. I see that when "system packages" is listed as the source, that means the package is orphaned and no longer available. I just ran a zypper update also, and it removed the pepper-flash package and installed flash-player-ppapi. I wonder, did Adobe decide they were going to make a flash player that firefox can use now, and that is what is suddenly available?
I did actually read somewhere just recently that Adobe was doing something along these lines. A quick check on their download page seems to shows Linux 32-bit and 64-bit options are available: https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* George from the tribe
Ok, really strange. I started this thread less a week ago, after I had just installed on my desktop chromium with the chromium-pepper-flash and chromium-ffmpeg packages. Those extra packages were both from packman.
A couple of days ago, I wanted to do the same thing on my laptop, and when I looked for chromium-pepper-flash and chromium-ffmpeg, they did not show up in a zypper search. Now when I look at how they are installed on my desktop, it gives the repository as "system packages".
# zypper se -s chromium-pepper-flash Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...
S | Name | Type | Version | Arch | Repository --+-----------------------+---------+----------------+--------+------------------ i | chromium-pepper-flash | package | 23.0.0.207-1.1 | x86_64 | (System Packages)
I cannot install chromium-pepper-flash on my laptop now, and the package is not available in packman. I looked at packman through the web interface, and the package is not there.
Anyone know how to get it back? Can we email the packman people and ask them what happened? As Andrei noted, the NPAPI version lacks features with PPAPI, that is why I would prefer the PPAPI version.
probably your repo for packman is not correct, see: http://packman.links2linux.org/package/chromium-pepper-flash zypper can only search for packages where you direct it. or, it is not packaged for your distro version. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/17/2016 12:24 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* George from the tribe
[12-16-16 22:14]: [....] Ok, really strange. I started this thread less a week ago, after I had just installed on my desktop chromium with the chromium-pepper-flash and chromium-ffmpeg packages. Those extra packages were both from packman.
A couple of days ago, I wanted to do the same thing on my laptop, and when I looked for chromium-pepper-flash and chromium-ffmpeg, they did not show up in a zypper search. Now when I look at how they are installed on my desktop, it gives the repository as "system packages".
# zypper se -s chromium-pepper-flash Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...
S | Name | Type | Version | Arch | Repository --+-----------------------+---------+----------------+--------+------------------ i | chromium-pepper-flash | package | 23.0.0.207-1.1 | x86_64 | (System Packages)
I cannot install chromium-pepper-flash on my laptop now, and the package is not available in packman. I looked at packman through the web interface, and the package is not there.
Anyone know how to get it back? Can we email the packman people and ask them what happened? As Andrei noted, the NPAPI version lacks features with PPAPI, that is why I would prefer the PPAPI version.
probably your repo for packman is not correct, see: http://packman.links2linux.org/package/chromium-pepper-flash
zypper can only search for packages where you direct it.
or, it is not packaged for your distro version.
The URI for my packman repo was http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_Leap_42.2/ So I just changed it to the taiwan mirror at ftp://ftp.twaren.net/Linux/Packman/suse/openSUSE_Leap_42.2/ since that is closer to where I live. I looked in those directories and it had the chromium-pepper-flash package available, and as I write this I am running the switch over to the new repo. -- George Box: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Laptop #1: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i7-4710HQ | 64 | 16GB Laptop #2: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i5 | 64 | 8GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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