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jdd

19 Dec 2008 19 Dec '08

19:44

Hello :-) I try to cope with kde4 (new 11.1), but find this pretty difficult. I really miss some kde3.5 features. *How can I have in the traditional menu, on top, the last lauched apps? I coup add this to the icons on the botto of the screen, but it was much better on top of the menu :-); *How can I now umount the usb keys? I used to do so in the konqueror left tree, but the option is no more there in konq and I don't see it in dolphin thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Clayton

19 Dec 19 Dec

20:12

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*How can I have in the traditional menu, on top, the last lauched apps? I coup add this to the icons on the botto of the screen, but it was much better on top of the menu :-);

Can't answer that one since I've moved to the new menu. Took some getting used to, but now I really like it. I'll leave that answer to those who use that menu style.

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*How can I now umount the usb keys? I used to do so in the konqueror left tree, but the option is no more there in konq and I don't see it in dolphin

In KDE4, when you plug in a USB device, the Device Notifier should pop up to say it has found a device. If you click the device in the box it'll open in Dolphin. When you're done with the USB device, and you want to unmount, you just need to right click on the device in the left sidebar (Places) in Dolphin and select "Safely remove (device name)" C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Andrew Joakimsen

20 Dec 20 Dec

02:18

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 15:12, Clayton wrote:

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*How can I have in the traditional menu, on top, the last lauched apps? I coup add this to the icons on the botto of the screen, but it was much better on top of the menu :-);

Can't answer that one since I've moved to the new menu. Took some getting used to, but now I really like it. I'll leave that answer to those who use that menu style.

What "new menu?" Besides the missing search (a SUSE-specific feature... which I really like. I tried CentOS for my desktop one time and I guess I could get used to not having something like YaST, but the search.... I removed the OS less than an hour later) and recent apps, the "classic" K-menu seems the same to me. The "SUSE style" seems the same too, but I never use it so I can't comment. I also miss having a "desktop" it was so convent to place applications and documents on it for quick access. Now the desktop I guess is a pretty place to show off your wallpaper. What we all need to do is report bugs against KDE 4 for the functions (let's not call them "features") that used to be in 3.5 but are now missing. I got a 11.1 machine running so as soon as I get time I will do that, but it does not hurt if everyone else did the same. I also heard that the compress and extract archives functions are not present in KDE4.... but I have not bothered to check. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Clayton

07:32

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What "new menu?"

The slab menu is what I was referring to.... it is "new" compared the the classic KMenu.

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I also miss having a "desktop" it was so convent to place applications and documents on it for quick access. Now the desktop I guess is a pretty place to show off your wallpaper.

So... use the Folder View widget. That's what it is there for. You can even adjust the size of the widget up to cover the whole screen. I'm using the Oxygen desktop theme, and you can't even tell the folder view is there (ie it's completely transparent). My desktop functions exactly the same now as a KDE3 desktop... a convenient place to drop temp files etc. I do have to say it was a dearly missed feature in the 4.0.4 release... but it's there now in 4.1. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Will Stephenson

08:59

On Saturday 20 December 2008 08:32:42 Clayton wrote:

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I also miss having a "desktop" it was so convent to place applications and documents on it for quick access. Now the desktop I guess is a pretty place to show off your wallpaper.

So... use the Folder View widget. That's what it is there for. You can even adjust the size of the widget up to cover the whole screen. I'm using the Oxygen desktop theme, and you can't even tell the folder view is there (ie it's completely transparent). My desktop functions exactly the same now as a KDE3 desktop... a convenient place to drop temp files etc. I do have to say it was a dearly missed feature in the 4.0.4 release... but it's there now in 4.1.

No need to resize it. Right click on the Desktop, click Desktop Settings In the Desktop Settings dialog, change the Desktop Activity Type to "Folder View". Click Apply. Then you get the traditional icons-as-desktop approach. (We described this and translated it into 17 languages and linked it from /usr/bin/SUSEgreeter as "Show Introduction to KDE4" - but you can lead a horse to water etc etc ;)) Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Clayton

09:39

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No need to resize it.

Right click on the Desktop, click Desktop Settings

In the Desktop Settings dialog, change the Desktop Activity Type to "Folder View". Click Apply.

Then you get the traditional icons-as-desktop approach.

Nice. Never even noticed this when I was tinkering with the desktop settings.

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(We described this and translated it into 17 languages and linked it from /usr/bin/SUSEgreeter as "Show Introduction to KDE4" - but you can lead a horse to water etc etc ;))

Yah, but when the horse thinks he already knows something about KDE4, he or she isn't likely to click "Show Introduction to KDE4" because he assumes that is for people who have never seen/used KDE4 before. I remember seeing that link in the SUSE Greeter... but as a long time SUSE user, i stopped reading what is in the greeter in any detail long ago. :-) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Bob Williams

09:54

On Saturday 20 December 2008 08:59:34 Will Stephenson wrote:

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On Saturday 20 December 2008 08:32:42 Clayton wrote:

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I also miss having a "desktop" it was so convent to place applications and documents on it for quick access. Now the desktop I guess is a pretty place to show off your wallpaper.

So... use the Folder View widget. That's what it is there for. You can even adjust the size of the widget up to cover the whole screen. I'm using the Oxygen desktop theme, and you can't even tell the folder view is there (ie it's completely transparent). My desktop functions exactly the same now as a KDE3 desktop... a convenient place to drop temp files etc. I do have to say it was a dearly missed feature in the 4.0.4 release... but it's there now in 4.1.

No need to resize it.

Right click on the Desktop, click Desktop Settings

In the Desktop Settings dialog, change the Desktop Activity Type to "Folder View". Click Apply.

Then you get the traditional icons-as-desktop approach.

(We described this and translated it into 17 languages and linked it from /usr/bin/SUSEgreeter as "Show Introduction to KDE4" - but you can lead a horse to water etc etc ;))

Will

That just made plasma crash. I've logged in to bugs.kde.org but can't see where I submit my report. Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.0, Kernel 2.6.25.18-0.2-default, KDE 3.5.10 Intel Celeron 2.53GHz, 2GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 7600GS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Will Stephenson

10:16

On Saturday 20 December 2008 10:54:00 Bob Williams wrote:

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On Saturday 20 December 2008 08:59:34 Will Stephenson wrote:

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In the Desktop Settings dialog, change the Desktop Activity Type to "Folder View". Click Apply.

Then you get the traditional icons-as-desktop approach.

(We described this and translated it into 17 languages and linked it from /usr/bin/SUSEgreeter as "Show Introduction to KDE4" - but you can lead a horse to water etc etc ;))

Will

That just made plasma crash. I've logged in to bugs.kde.org but can't see where I submit my report.

Uhoh. But it's an openSUSE feature, so please report it at bugzilla.novell.com, openSUSE 11.1, KDE4 Workspace. It will save a couple of round-trips if you install at least the kdelibs and kdebase4-workspace debuginfo packages as detailed at http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:KDE Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Bob Williams

17:46

On Saturday 20 December 2008 10:16:31 Will Stephenson wrote:

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On Saturday 20 December 2008 10:54:00 Bob Williams wrote:

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On Saturday 20 December 2008 08:59:34 Will Stephenson wrote:

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In the Desktop Settings dialog, change the Desktop Activity Type to "Folder View". Click Apply.

Then you get the traditional icons-as-desktop approach.

(We described this and translated it into 17 languages and linked it from /usr/bin/SUSEgreeter as "Show Introduction to KDE4" - but you can lead a horse to water etc etc ;))

Will

That just made plasma crash. I've logged in to bugs.kde.org but can't see where I submit my report.

Uhoh. But it's an openSUSE feature, so please report it at bugzilla.novell.com, openSUSE 11.1, KDE4 Workspace.

It will save a couple of round-trips if you install at least the kdelibs and kdebase4-workspace debuginfo packages as detailed at http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:KDE

Will

OK. I've installed the debuginfo packages, as you suggest. I tried to provoke the plasma crash again, so that more informative logs would be generated, but this time it didn't complain. It didn't do what was requested, either. The desktop initially cleared to a plain blue background with an empty Desktop folder. The desktop icons then appeared as a neat row of widgety things at top left, and the desktop turned black at the same time. One by one the icons/widgets disappeared, then the original KDE4 desktop reappeared, with the original Desktop Folder, which repopulated itself with the icons from /home/<user>/Desktop. Back to square one :( Could this behaviour have anything to do with the fact that I've been running KDE3.5 alongside KDE4, trying them both in different sessions? IOW I have both a ~/.kde and a ~/.kde4 folder. When my new machine arrives, I shall do a clean install of 11.1 & KDE4.1. I suspect it would be a good idea to remove ~/.kde before remounting /home. Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.0, Kernel 2.6.25.18-0.2-default, KDE 3.5.10 Intel Celeron 2.53GHz, 2GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 7600GS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Will Stephenson

21 Dec 21 Dec

18:48

On Saturday 20 December 2008 18:46:35 Bob Williams wrote:

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OK. I've installed the debuginfo packages, as you suggest. I tried to provoke the plasma crash again, so that more informative logs would be generated, but this time it didn't complain. It didn't do what was requested, either. The desktop initially cleared to a plain blue background with an empty Desktop folder. The desktop icons then appeared as a neat row of widgety things at top left, and the desktop turned black at the same time. One by one the icons/widgets disappeared, then the original KDE4 desktop reappeared, with the original Desktop Folder, which repopulated itself with the icons from /home/<user>/Desktop. Back to square one :(

If you're migrating from KDE 4.0 on 11.0, you'll have some Icon widgets on the desktop on the default desktop background left over. The reason is, in KDE 4.0 we tried to do icons-on-the-desktop using an Icon widget/plasmoid per file in ~/Desktop, which turned out to be a bad idea (they just don't behave like a set of files wrt to selection, moving, grouping, context menus). So Folder View was implemented. I'm not sure what's going on with the disappearing icons, but you could try removing these (using the interface that appears on hover).

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Could this behaviour have anything to do with the fact that I've been running KDE3.5 alongside KDE4, trying them both in different sessions? IOW I have both a ~/.kde and a ~/.kde4 folder.

Not really, we deliberately separated these folders so that KDE 3 can be used undisturbed by KDE 4. Some other distros are forcing KDE 4 only, because apps' config files in .kde have been upgraded by running the KDE 4 version of the app.

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When my new machine arrives, I shall do a clean install of 11.1 & KDE4.1. I suspect it would be a good idea to remove ~/.kde before remounting /home.

Don't do that! I'd move or remove ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma*rc before logging into KDE 4, then you'll get the default 4.1 desktop with Folder View applet, then i *expect* switching to Folder View as desktop will work without crashing. HTH Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Bob Williams

23 Dec 23 Dec

14:49

On Sunday 21 December 2008 18:48:43 Will Stephenson wrote:

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On Saturday 20 December 2008 18:46:35 Bob Williams wrote:

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When my new machine arrives, I shall do a clean install of 11.1 & KDE4.1. I suspect it would be a good idea to remove ~/.kde before remounting /home.

Don't do that!

I'd move or remove ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma*rc before logging into KDE 4, then you'll get the default 4.1 desktop with Folder View applet, then i *expect* switching to Folder View as desktop will work without crashing.

HTH

Will

Many thanks, Will. No new machine, yet, and lots of other demands on my time ATM, so I think I'll put this on hold till after Christmas. I've noted all that you say, above. Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.0, Kernel 2.6.25.18-0.2-default, KDE 3.5.10 Intel Celeron 2.53GHz, 2GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 7600GS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M.

21 Dec 21 Dec

20:20

On Saturday 20 December 2008 11:46:35 am Bob Williams wrote:

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Could this behaviour have anything to do with the fact that I've been running KDE3.5 alongside KDE4, trying them both in different sessions? IOW I have both a ~/.kde and a ~/.kde4 folder.

Do you trying that as the same user? That can produce some confusion as both versions are looking in ~/Desktop . Disappearing icons can be graphic driver issue too. I had that. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Bob Williams

23 Dec 23 Dec

14:54

On Sunday 21 December 2008 20:20:44 Rajko M. wrote:

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On Saturday 20 December 2008 11:46:35 am Bob Williams wrote:

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Could this behaviour have anything to do with the fact that I've been running KDE3.5 alongside KDE4, trying them both in different sessions? IOW I have both a ~/.kde and a ~/.kde4 folder.

Do you trying that as the same user?

Yes. There's only me here, most of the time :)

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That can produce some confusion as both versions are looking in ~/Desktop .

Disappearing icons can be graphic driver issue too. I had that.

I'm beginning to suspect the same. As stated in my sig, I have an nVidia GeForce 7600GS, and I think the nVidia drivers are lagging behind. My new machine, which should arrive soon, will have an nVidia GeForce 9600GT, so we'll see if I fare any better with that :)

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-- Regards, Rajko

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John Andersen

20 Dec 20 Dec

23:17

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:

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No need to resize it.

Right click on the Desktop, click Desktop Settings

In the Desktop Settings dialog, change the Desktop Activity Type to "Folder View". Click Apply.

Then you get the traditional icons-as-desktop approach.

How does one UNDO that choice.??? -- ----------JSA--------- Someone stole my tag line, so now I have this rental. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Clayton

23:25

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Then you get the traditional icons-as-desktop approach.

How does one UNDO that choice.???

Same way you did it... right click on the Desktop and choose Desktop Settings and change the Desktop Activity Type to something else. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

23:45

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Clayton wrote:

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Then you get the traditional icons-as-desktop approach.

How does one UNDO that choice.???

Same way you did it... right click on the Desktop and choose Desktop Settings and change the Desktop Activity Type to something else.

C.

Have you tried this Clayton? I ask because once selected, it can't be unselected on Kubuntu (KDE 4.2 beta1), but I haven't had time to try on opensuse 11.1 yet. I filed a bug report directly at KDE, -- ----------JSA--------- Someone stole my tag line, so now I have this rental. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Clayton

21 Dec 21 Dec

00:02

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Have you tried this Clayton?

I ask because once selected, it can't be unselected on Kubuntu (KDE 4.2 beta1), but I haven't had time to try on opensuse 11.1 yet. I filed a bug report directly at KDE,

Yes. It works fine. i don't know about Kubuntu. I left that mess behind a long time ago. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Will Stephenson

18:40

On Sunday 21 December 2008 00:45:09 John Andersen wrote:

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On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Clayton wrote:

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Then you get the traditional icons-as-desktop approach.

How does one UNDO that choice.???

Same way you did it... right click on the Desktop and choose Desktop Settings and change the Desktop Activity Type to something else.

C.

Have you tried this Clayton?

I ask because once selected, it can't be unselected on Kubuntu (KDE 4.2 beta1), but I haven't had time to try on opensuse 11.1 yet. I filed a bug report directly at KDE,

*looks* *tries* *nods* - openSUSE 11.0 with our KDE 4.2beta2 rpms, and my build from sources. The Appearance Settings context menu item is present when the desktop is a Folder View. Was the bug report upstream closed already? Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Bob Williams

20 Dec 20 Dec

09:43

On Saturday 20 December 2008 07:32:42 Clayton wrote:

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What "new menu?"

The slab menu is what I was referring to.... it is "new" compared the the classic KMenu.

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I also miss having a "desktop" it was so convent to place applications and documents on it for quick access. Now the desktop I guess is a pretty place to show off your wallpaper.

So... use the Folder View widget. That's what it is there for. You can even adjust the size of the widget up to cover the whole screen. I'm using the Oxygen desktop theme, and you can't even tell the folder view is there (ie it's completely transparent). My desktop functions exactly the same now as a KDE3 desktop... a convenient place to drop temp files etc. I do have to say it was a dearly missed feature in the 4.0.4 release... but it's there now in 4.1.

C.

How do you adjust the size to cover the whole screen? I've tried left click & hold while moving the resize button at the top of its control bar, but it only seems to change size within its existing space. IOW I can make it tall and thin or short and fat, but not overlaying the whole desktop area. Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.0, Kernel 2.6.25.18-0.2-default, KDE 3.5.10 Intel Celeron 2.53GHz, 2GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 7600GS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Clayton

10:28

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How do you adjust the size to cover the whole screen? I've tried left click & hold while moving the resize button at the top of its control bar, but it only seems to change size within its existing space. IOW I can make it tall and thin or short and fat, but not overlaying the whole desktop area.

Check Will Stephenson's reply on this thread. He pointed to the right way to do this. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Fred A. Miller

16:22

Clayton wrote:

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What "new menu?"

The slab menu is what I was referring to.... it is "new" compared the the classic KMenu.

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I also miss having a "desktop" it was so convent to place applications and documents on it for quick access. Now the desktop I guess is a pretty place to show off your wallpaper.

So... use the Folder View widget. That's what it is there for. You can even adjust the size of the widget up to cover the whole screen. I'm using the Oxygen desktop theme, and you can't even tell the folder view is there (ie it's completely transparent). My desktop functions exactly the same now as a KDE3 desktop... a convenient place to drop temp files etc. I do have to say it was a dearly missed feature in the 4.0.4 release... but it's there now in 4.1.

As a word of caution; so many users who come from the MickySoft world are totally ignorant about how their system works. I frequently have to "clean up" XP and now Vista boxen (YES...I FREQUENTLY replace 'Blzoe with openSUSE when I show them my laptop), not just the junk on the hard drive and defrag it, but get rid of all the files on the desktop and limit the number of linked apps. to just a few! This visibly increases performance. Dumping files you work on, downloads, etc., on the desktop takes up RAM on ALL operating systems. It's simply not an intelligent way to operate a 'puter. Fred -- "Politicians and diapers need to be changed regularly -- and for the same reason." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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