ON a positive note , all of us who use linux are helping simply by not forcing new computers to have to made. Vista is demanding tons of new hardware plants to be built and that is one of the worst cases for pollution I know of. James Tremblay Director of Technology Newmarket School District Newmarket NH 03857 "let's make a difference" http://en.opensuse.org/education -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 28 January 2008 21:09, Wolfgang Woehl wrote:

Montag, 28. Januar 2008 James Tremblay:

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ON a positive note , all of us who use linux are helping simply by not forcing new computers to have to made.

This notion keeps popping up among linux people. To actually verify it I suggest you install opensuse 10.3 on a box that's 4 years old. You will not be pleased.

Gee, that's odd. I've got it installed on an old dual AMD machine that I bought about 4 years ago, and it runs fine. It runs a lot better than the XP that was on it. I also installed it on an old AMD 1000 with less than a gig of ram. Runs circles around XP.

Not that it's a bad thing that linux distributions keep aiming at the moving target "hardware".

It's a good thing, but backwards compatibility is one of the things I like best about linux. When all else fails, I can always get it running when the winXX stuff dies. Mike -- Powered by SuSE 10.0 Kernel 2.6.13 X86_64 KDE 3.4 Kmail 1.8 9:27pm up 166 days 1:59, 5 users, load average: 1.01, 1.12, 1.21 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Wolfgang Woehl wrote:

Montag, 28. Januar 2008 James Tremblay:

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ON a positive note , all of us who use linux are helping simply by not forcing new computers to have to made.

This notion keeps popping up among linux people. To actually verify it I suggest you install opensuse 10.3 on a box that's 4 years old. You will not be pleased.

Not that it's a bad thing that linux distributions keep aiming at the moving target "hardware".

Wolfgang

I have it installed on my almost 6 year old notebook and it runs fine. The notebook has a 1.13 GHz P3. It certainly runs better than XP on thatg same computer. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Montag, 28. Januar 2008 James Knott:

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I have it installed on my almost 6 year old notebook and it runs fine. The notebook has a 1.13 GHz P3. It certainly runs better than XP on thatg same computer.

Ok, good for you. Some time ago a friend of mine wanted me to get her opensuse 10.2. I couldn't because her box had 256 mb ram only and the installer chocked on that.

Wolfgang

Simply partition the disk ahead of time by booting any live CD/DVD and create a swap partition. Then the install will go just fine. That's what I do on my laptop with 256M of ram. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Montag, 28. Januar 2008 Sunny:

On Jan 28, 2008 3:25 PM, Wolfgang Woehl wrote:

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Ok, good for you. Some time ago a friend of mine wanted me to get her opensuse 10.2. I couldn't because her box had 256 mb ram only and the installer chocked on that.

If you create a swap partition before you run the installer, it will use it, and will not complain. You can do so with any live distro like knoppix, or Damn Small Linux.

Good to know. The installer might even suggest and offer to do just that. Instead it dies. Which is unpleasant and doesn't exactly give you the impression that old boxes are in the target range. Call me a dork but it made me buy new hardware for her at the time :) Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 28 January 2008 13:09, Wolfgang Woehl wrote:

Montag, 28. Januar 2008 James Tremblay:

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ON a positive note , all of us who use linux are helping simply by not forcing new computers to have to made.

This notion keeps popping up among linux people. To actually verify it I suggest you install opensuse 10.3 on a box that's 4 years old. You will not be pleased.

I have an AMD K6 (1.4 GHz, 512 MB memory) that is definitely older than 4 years. It has had SuSE (or whatever they were called at the time) 9.1, 9.3, 10.1, 10.2 and currently has openSUSE 10.3 on it. This is a desktop machine (no real server functions) but as a desktop my experience has been that each release *seems* faster than the previous one. (Most likely this is due to improvements in KDE specifically). -- Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Jan 28, 2008 4:52 PM, Wolfgang Woehl wrote:

Montag, 28. Januar 2008 Don Raboud:

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I have an AMD K6 (1.4 GHz, 512 MB memory) that is definitely older than 4 years. It has had SuSE (or whatever they were called at the time) 9.1, 9.3, 10.1, 10.2 and currently has openSUSE 10.3 on it.

This is a desktop machine (no real server functions) but as a desktop my experience has been that each release *seems* faster than the previous one. (Most likely this is due to improvements in KDE specifically).

So Mike, James, Don, hats off. Using old hardware and not replacing it with the latest iron on a regular basis really does have a significant impact on energy consumption.

Wrt being pleased doing that: You are _so_ up for a ride whenever you choose to switch to contemporary hardware. I bet you a copy of BBC's "Changing World" that you will not go back to these old boxes with joy in your heart :)

Using old hardware also lets you justify building special purpose machines. Witness the P2 laptop w/128 MB of Ram I installed to this weekend. (And yes I had a lot of trouble because I did not know in advance to reformat the drive and put a swap partition on it, but eventually I got it.) With that machine I plan to create a dedicated Weather Station Server. The speed needs are minimal, so this small little laptop should do just fine. I tried to use a much newer/bigger XP box. Didn't even stay running for 24 hours. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Wolfgang Woehl wrote:

Montag, 28. Januar 2008 James Tremblay:

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ON a positive note , all of us who use linux are helping simply by not forcing new computers to have to made.

This notion keeps popping up among linux people. To actually verify it I suggest you install opensuse 10.3 on a box that's 4 years old. You will not be pleased.

I recently installed suse 10.3 on a compaq box made in 2002, which I'm using as our firewall/dns/dhcp server. Naturally I nuked beagle, but having done that it works and it works well. Before that, our firewall/dns/dhcp server was an old compaq w/ Pentium III 500 and 9 GB drive, running suse 10.1, which also worked quite well. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2008/01/28 21:09 (GMT+0100) Wolfgang Woehl apparently typed:

Montag, 28. Januar 2008 James Tremblay:

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ON a positive note , all of us who use linux are helping simply by not forcing new computers to have to made.

This notion keeps popping up among linux people. To actually verify it I suggest you install opensuse 10.3 on a box that's 4 years old. You will not be pleased.

My latest 3 installs were Mandriva Cooker, 10.3 and Factory on one 5 year old puter (Dell GX260 2000MHz P4 400). I have a houseful of puters. They average probably around 5-6 years old. I have 10.3 and/or Factory on 10 in all, and on neither of the two newest/fastest ones. The oldest of those 10 is a 10 year old BX440 with 100FSB running a PIII @ 700 MHz with 512M of PC100. All the recent versions seem faster than the last, particularly compared to 9.1 and 9.2 with their early 2.6 kernels. Plenty of RAM helps more than a fast CPU. I always partition prior to starting an installer, so there's always swap to keep limited RAM from being an installation issue here. -- "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org