[opensuse] How does the download.opensuse.org/repositories work...
..in respect to, who decides which packages and when to update them, and who do the actual packaging ? I know the home:/ repo's are individual users using the buildservice. But how about, e.g. /repositories/server:/mail/ ? The reason I am asking about server:/mail, is that 10.2 and 10.3 repo's both contains new(er) versions of e.g. courier-imap, but 11.0 repo does not. So, who decides that the 10.2 repo should contain new and updated packages of courier-imap, but the 11.0 repo should not have courier-imap at all ? This is not a complaint, I'm just trying to understand the layout and "package cycles" of download.opensuse.org/repositories. Best regards Sylvester Lykkehus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sylvester Lykkehus wrote:
..in respect to, who decides which packages and when to update them, and who do the actual packaging ?
I know the home:/ repo's are individual users using the buildservice.
But how about, e.g. /repositories/server:/mail/ ?
The reason I am asking about server:/mail, is that 10.2 and 10.3 repo's both contains new(er) versions of e.g. courier-imap, but 11.0 repo does not. So, who decides that the 10.2 repo should contain new and updated packages of courier-imap, but the 11.0 repo should not have courier-imap at all ?
This is not a complaint, I'm just trying to understand the layout and "package cycles" of download.opensuse.org/repositories.
Best regards Sylvester Lykkehus
Sylvester, That has been a moving target as of late. In pure summary fashion, novell/opensuse provides: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/ http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.0/ for 10.3, change the version above For all other repositories under: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/ They are openSuSE Build Service (OBS) repositories and are provided by various individuals and groups, within or without novell, subject to novell requirements, for the benefit of the openSuSE community. Novell/openSuSE will provide updates for packages contained in http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/XX.X/ in general from the date of release + 24 months through the http://download.opensuse.org/update/XX.X/ repository. A new openSuSE release will generally be provided every 6-10 months. Novell can be credited for putting flexibility into the release schedule, as needed, if the developers determine additional time is needed to insure a release is ready. Well done. Updates to all packages under http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/ are provided when available from the maintainers of the repositories. File bug reports against packages in the distribution and update repositories and they will either be fixed, deferred to the next release or closed depending on the severity and security implications posed. Avoid filing bugs with the openSuSE bugzilla at bugzilla.novell.com for packages in the http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/ unless it poses a dire risk of nuclear war, post those problems to the list and then shut-up and don't complain. Otherwise some members of the list will quickly belittle you and attack you for not knowing that you shouldn't file bug reports with openSuSE against the openSuSE packages in the http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/. Got it? Clear as mud right? But all in all it works quite well. This isn't an official openSuSE position, just my understanding from experience with the list and the openSuSE bugzilla. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 20:06 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote: <snip>
So, who decides that the 10.2 repo should contain new and updated packages of courier-imap, but the 11.0 repo should not have courier-imap at all ?
They are openSuSE Build Service (OBS) repositories and are provided by various individuals and groups, within or without novell, subject to novell requirements, for the benefit of the openSuSE community.
Novell/openSuSE will provide updates for packages contained in http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/XX.X/ in general from the date of release + 24 months through the http://download.opensuse.org/update/XX.X/ repository.
Updates to all packages under http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/ are provided when available from the maintainers of the repositories.
File bug reports against packages in the distribution and update repositories and they will either be fixed, deferred to the next release or closed depending on the severity and security implications posed.
Avoid filing bugs with the openSuSE bugzilla at bugzilla.novell.com for packages in the http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/ unless it poses a dire risk of nuclear war, post those problems to the list and then shut-up and don't complain. Otherwise some members of the list will quickly belittle you and attack you for not knowing that you shouldn't file bug reports with openSuSE against the openSuSE packages in the http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/.
Some other p.o.i.... a) The distictions between what is and what is not maintained is rather vague, as some repo's are done by SuSE-people and some are not. Obviously stuff in ~/repo/home:/ is as volatile as can be. But how about the rpm's in ~/repo/security:/ and ~/repo/server/ b) some repo's end their lifecycle suddenly, no openSUSE_11.0 version Is that pure and only upto the person who uploaded the stuff? c) Since a couple of months, packman has already packages for openSUSE_11.1, the beta-release. There is nothing for 11.1 on the OBS, Probably it is safe to use the factory version of those. Who decides to "enable 11.1" on the OBS. d) If one should _not_ report issue's (large and small) of the addon repo's on bugzilla.novell.com, where else? Over and over gain Marcus and Andreas wrote that (for the official released versions or beta's) bugs should not only be reported on the appropiate mailing lists, as there is no following-up on them. Might it be a good thing to have a bugzilla-entry dedicated for stuff on the OBS??? (I wonder) hw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hans Witvliet wrote:
On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 20:06 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote: <snip>
So, who decides that the 10.2 repo should contain new and updated packages of courier-imap, but the 11.0 repo should not have courier-imap at all ?
They are openSuSE Build Service (OBS) repositories and are provided by various individuals and groups, within or without novell, subject to novell requirements, for the benefit of the openSuSE community.
Novell/openSuSE will provide updates for packages contained in http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/XX.X/ in general from the date of release + 24 months through the http://download.opensuse.org/update/XX.X/ repository.
Updates to all packages under http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/ are provided when available from the maintainers of the repositories.
File bug reports against packages in the distribution and update repositories and they will either be fixed, deferred to the next release or closed depending on the severity and security implications posed.
Avoid filing bugs with the openSuSE bugzilla at bugzilla.novell.com for packages in the http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/ unless it poses a dire risk of nuclear war, post those problems to the list and then shut-up and don't complain. Otherwise some members of the list will quickly belittle you and attack you for not knowing that you shouldn't file bug reports with openSuSE against the openSuSE packages in the http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/.
Some other p.o.i....
a) The distictions between what is and what is not maintained is rather vague, as some repo's are done by SuSE-people and some are not. Obviously stuff in ~/repo/home:/ is as volatile as can be. But how about the rpm's in ~/repo/security:/ and ~/repo/server/
b) some repo's end their lifecycle suddenly, no openSUSE_11.0 version Is that pure and only upto the person who uploaded the stuff?
c) Since a couple of months, packman has already packages for openSUSE_11.1, the beta-release. There is nothing for 11.1 on the OBS, Probably it is safe to use the factory version of those. Who decides to "enable 11.1" on the OBS.
d) If one should _not_ report issue's (large and small) of the addon repo's on bugzilla.novell.com, where else?
Over and over gain Marcus and Andreas wrote that (for the official released versions or beta's) bugs should not only be reported on the appropiate mailing lists, as there is no following-up on them.
Might it be a good thing to have a bugzilla-entry dedicated for stuff on the OBS??? (I wonder)
hw
Hans, That certainly be the most logical approach, simple enough to add a OBS category to the bugzilla for tracking purposes. I think the difficulty would be managing it. Legitimate bugs would be filed, and then the "whos gunna do the work would start" It would be doable on a repository basis with Person A, and B listed as responsible for KDE:/Community, ...., ... or something similar. It would certainly add both some much needed transparency and order for the packages under /repositories and to the current process. I like your idea... -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2008-11-06 03:06, David C. Rankin wrote:
Sylvester,
That has been a moving target as of late. In pure summary fashion, novell/opensuse provides:
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/ http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.0/
for 10.3, change the version above
For all other repositories under:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/
They are openSuSE Build Service (OBS) repositories and are provided by various individuals and groups, within or without novell, subject to novell requirements, for the benefit of the openSuSE community.
Novell/openSuSE will provide updates for packages contained in http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/XX.X/ in general from the date of release + 24 months through the http://download.opensuse.org/update/XX.X/ repository.
A new openSuSE release will generally be provided every 6-10 months. Novell can be credited for putting flexibility into the release schedule, as needed, if the developers determine additional time is needed to insure a release is ready. Well done.
Updates to all packages under http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/ are provided when available from the maintainers of the repositories.
File bug reports against packages in the distribution and update repositories and they will either be fixed, deferred to the next release or closed depending on the severity and security implications posed.
Avoid filing bugs with the openSuSE bugzilla at bugzilla.novell.com for packages in the http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/ unless it poses a dire risk of nuclear war, post those problems to the list and then shut-up and don't complain. Otherwise some members of the list will quickly belittle you and attack you for not knowing that you shouldn't file bug reports with openSuSE against the openSuSE packages in the http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/.
Got it? Clear as mud right? But all in all it works quite well. This isn't an official openSuSE position, just my understanding from experience with the list and the openSuSE bugzilla.
Tank you very much for that broad explanation David, it helped me a lot. Also Michal Marek explained on the Build Service list, that I could use https://build.opensuse.org/ to check the organization of the projects, the build status of individual packages, and so forth. Have a nice day Sylvester Lykkehus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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