On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 01:55:03PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 11:37 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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I have installed the RPMs in novell-client-2.0-sp2-sle11-i586.iso (downloaded from Novell), as well as CASA and libbfd on an openSUSYE 11.2 system. When I log in to KDE, I get a NCL icon in the system tray. When I try to do something with it, I get this in a popup window:

Description : Cannot scan Connection References. Error:NWCCScanConnRefs: Code : FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFB Build : 1.0.0 File : ncpConnectionRefScanner.cpp Line : 79 Repository Version : $Revision: 2371 $

Then I can proceed to the NCL menu. However, login does not work. I fill in all the usual details and I get this message:

"The system could not log you into the network. Make sure your name and connection information are correct, then type your password again."

I use this exact same information in the same machine from Windows XP running on VMWare, and that works fine. So I know that the values are correct and that the machines are available. But obviously something has gone kaplooie.

Anyone else using NCL on openSUSE 11.2?

Bit more info: after rebooting the openSUSE 11.2 machine, I get this message when logging in:

"The novfs kernel loadable module is not correctly installed."

Does: "modprobe novfs" work?

Sigh. I guess there is still no support for openSUSE as a NCL user.

Without bugreports probably not. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 12:01 +0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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On 5/24/2010 at 14:07, Marcus Meissner wrote: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 01:55:03PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 11:37 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: I have installed the RPMs in novell-client-2.0-sp2-sle11-i586.iso (downloaded from Novell), as well as CASA and libbfd on an openSUSYE 11.2 system. When I log in to KDE, I get a NCL icon in the system tray. When I try to do something with it, I get this in a popup window:

Description : Cannot scan Connection References. Error:NWCCScanConnRefs: Code : FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFB Build : 1.0.0 File : ncpConnectionRefScanner.cpp Line : 79 Repository Version : $Revision: 2371 $

Then I can proceed to the NCL menu. However, login does not work. I fill in all the usual details and I get this message:

"The system could not log you into the network. Make sure your name and connection information are correct, then type your password again."

I use this exact same information in the same machine from Windows XP running on VMWare, and that works fine. So I know that the values are correct and that the machines are available. But obviously something has gone kaplooie.

Anyone else using NCL on openSUSE 11.2?

Bit more info: after rebooting the openSUSE 11.2 machine, I get this message when logging in:

"The novfs kernel loadable module is not correctly installed."

Does: "modprobe novfs" work?

Roger: I do run NCL on openSUSE 11.3/Factory. Works pretty well. But as I installed it so long ago, I don't really remember all the steps I went through (I remember having build a dummy rpm with an old libbfd to satisfy rpm deps and NCL)

This is the RPM I am trying to use: Name : novell-client Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 2.0.0 Vendor: SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany Release : 29 Build Date: Mon 09 Mar 2009 05:51:18 PM CET Install Date: Thu 20 May 2010 10:15:34 AM CEST Build Host: i386build9 Group : Productivity/Networking/Novell Source RPM: novell-client-2.0.0-29.src.rpm Size : 54900 License: Novell Binary Restricted Signature : DSA/SHA1, Mon 09 Mar 2009 05:52:23 PM CET, Key ID 14c28bc97e2e3b05 Packager : http://bugs.opensuse.org URL : http://www.novell.com Summary : Novell Client for Linux The Packager line is interesting.

for the novfs module: use the one provided by the kernel and not the one that comes with NCL (I vaguely remember there was something around init scripts trying to build it at all the times... get rid of that).

I think this is what I am running. modinfo says: filename: /lib/modules/2.6.31.12-0.2-desktop/kernel/fs/novfs/novfs.ko

If you want, I can try to find the time to make some more testings / proper doc / blog post on how to install NCL on a 11.2 / 11.3 installation.

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Sigh. I guess there is still no support for openSUSE as a NCL user.

Without bugreports probably not.

Marcus: I pretty much gave up on this one. Having spent hours directly with internals fro Novell responsible for NCL (was Joe Harmon at the times) I had to recognize that there seems to be very few interest in offering NCL on openSUSE (even though the most apparent thing missing is a proper repo building NCL against openSUSE distributions... but for licensing reasons, this seems not to be welcome on OBS... I can tell you the full story if you're interested.. but 'offline').

I can understand it not being available with the base release. But if you can include Adobe or nvidia drivers, this seems not to be so very different. We have thousands of users running the NCW on XP. It is so frustrating to not be able to do the same with a Linux so closely related to Novell. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 13:32 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:

On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 12:50:23PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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had to recognize that there seems to be very few interest in offering NCL on openSUSE (even though the most apparent thing missing is a proper repo building NCL against openSUSE distributions... but for licensing reasons, this seems not to be welcome on OBS... I can tell you the full story if you're interested.. but 'offline').

I can understand it not being available with the base release. But if you can include Adobe or nvidia drivers, this seems not to be so very different. We have thousands of users running the NCW on XP. It is so frustrating to not be able to do the same with a Linux so closely related to Novell.

The SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11 Service PAck 1 now has Novel Client for Linux included.

Is there a way to evaluate SLED11? We currently buy/use openSUSE 10.3 as our platform. We are hoping to move to 11.2 (unresolved KDE4 issues have slowed that process). Perhaps we should be looking at SLED instead. We do install the OS very seldom, and want to use the install for a long time. I think it is mainly the developers (like me...) that prefer to work on openSUSE as it uses the latest stuff. You know us crazy developers. The downside of SLED in our product is that we would want to limit our developers to using the same. Perhaps that is too draconian. But we strongly believe that developers should be very close to the users. The odd thing is that I think the cost of SLED is pretty much the same as openSUSE. I guess with SLED you can also choose to pay each year for support and updates, which is where the cost difference compared to buying openSUSE factors in. But it is not so big a difference. Does that sound right?

As for openSUSE ... Was there ever a FATE entry for this? Without involving our product management folks Michael Loeffler or Andreas Jaeger it wont see any kind of progress.

And even then I am not so sure.

Ciao, Marcus

-- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 10:10 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote:

Hmm, who sold you openSUSE?. SLED has a standard support contract of $120 for a year. Check it at http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/howtobuy.html. It's also available for download freely, so you can test it before buying.

We buy openSUSE on line for maybe $50 (taxes and shipping included). Not more. The SLED price is based on http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/pricing_euro.html where a basic one-year subscription is listed as 42€. I wanted to compare similar things. Increased SLED support costs more. We buy openSUSE for each system so the user gets a disk and whatever manual comes with the box set. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org