The Saturday 2008-01-05 at 20:20 +0530, Shibu Basheer wrote:

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I have a new installation of Open Suse. I find it to randomly shuts down, just like someone accidently presses the power button, or issue the shutodown command. There are no prompts, messages or anything, just starts shutting down closing everything that I've been doing.

I think I remember something like this... but I can't remember the subject of the thread to find it out.

I have now been running on safe mode for quite some time without this problem. Seems to be stable now. So could it be some drivers or power option or something that is causing this? I have everything I need in safe mode, but I dont want to choose safe mode each time I bootup. How do I troubleshoot what the shutdown problem in the normal mode? Thank you! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Jan 5, 2008 9:09 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2008/01/05 20:50 (GMT+0530) Shibu Basheer apparently typed:

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I have a new installation of Open Suse. I find it to randomly shuts down, just like someone accidently presses the power button, or issue the shutodown command. There are no prompts, messages or anything, just starts shutting down closing everything that I've been doing.

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Any ideas on how to isolate this problem? BTW, this has happened on another computer, but AMD CPUs, only common component was the memory, and a TV card.

One possibility is an erroneous indication of CPU overheat. If you know how and your BIOS provides the means to do so, you can underclock your system by about 25% to see if the problem stops. If it does, you'll have to troubleshoot the cause of the erroneous indication. IIRC, it is caused by two daemons both trying to monitor CPU temp at the same time.

Another possibility is TV card related. TV cards seem to demand a lot of power, maybe more than your power supply can reliably provide. You can temporarily remove the card to see if this is your problem.

HI Felix, Thanks for you suggestions. I've ruled both the problem, because the system is running quite stable in safe mode, and I have been running a long tv scan with tvtime. So it looks like it is some kernel parameter, or something that is enabled during normal bootup? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Shibu Basheer escribió:

HI Felix, Thanks for you suggestions. I've ruled both the problem, because the system is running quite stable in safe mode,

Your box 's CPU is overheating, check that instead or later you will find a nice and useless burnt CPU. -- "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." - Albert Einstein Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development http://www.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 05 January 2008 21:02:53 Philippe Landau wrote:

His plagiarism interfered just as much. http://nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html

Rule number 1 on cranks and crackpots: a paper that only quotes secondary sources and encyclopaedias is not written by a competent person Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Philippe Landau wrote:

Anders Johansson wrote:

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Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." - Albert Einstein His plagiarism interfered just as much. http://nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html Rule number 1 on cranks and crackpots: a paper that only quotes secondary

On Saturday 05 January 2008 21:02:53 Philippe Landau wrote: sources and encyclopaedias is not written by a competent person If you like sources maybe refer to: The Manufacture and Sale of Saint Einstein by Christopher Jon Bjerknes 2006 or The Einstein Hoax - The Disastrous Intellectual War On Common Sense (H.E.Retic 1997)

But that has nothing to do with Einstein per se, and everything to do with Cultural Marxism.

Kind regards Philippe

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Anders Johansson wrote:

On Saturday 05 January 2008 21:40:14 Philippe Landau wrote:

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Anders Johansson wrote:

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Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." - Albert Einstein His plagiarism interfered just as much. http://nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html Rule number 1 on cranks and crackpots: a paper that only quotes secondary

On Saturday 05 January 2008 21:02:53 Philippe Landau wrote: sources and encyclopaedias is not written by a competent person If you like sources maybe refer to: The Manufacture and Sale of Saint Einstein by Christopher Jon Bjerknes 2006 or The Einstein Hoax - The Disastrous Intellectual War On Common Sense (H.E.Retic 1997)

I said primary sources. And Bjerknes also claims that special relativity is wrong, not just plagiarised, so he's clearly a crackpot

Learn to evaluate your sources You can either erect dogmas or advance science. Galileo broke a dogma but was no crackpot. Labelling messengers of differing insights as "crackpot" and "crank" are indicators of someone loosing a debate. The catholic church is famous for smearing Galileo for example when their fraudulent dogma was exposed.

Einstein's theories are flawed and if you look up his 1905 paper you will see that he does not credit the sources he plagiarised: "E = mc2 can be attributed to S. Tolver Preston (1875), to Jules Henri Poincaré (1900; according to Brown, 1967) and to Olinto De Pretto (1904) before Einstein. Since Einstein never correctly derived E = mc2 (Ives, 1952), there appears nothing to connect the equation with anything original by Einstein." The sources are detailed in the papers quoted above. Of course you won't touch them because they are works of "Crackpots" :-) Cognitive Dissonance arises when you build your life on lies and discover they are lies, you tend to hold on to them so as not to loose all you strived for and the sense of your life's work. This happens all the time. Discovery of Bush's involvement in 9-11 is a prominent current example gripping many. Science is advanced by those able to let go once a theory is replaced by another one better supported by emerging evidence. Kind regards Philippe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 05 January 2008 23:30:09 Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Saturday 05 January 2008 14:13, Philippe Landau wrote:

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Please! This is what sci.physics is for.

There should be a sci.crackpots Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 05 January 2008 23:32:39 Aaron Kulkis wrote:

Strange how all of them were also part of the "Bush stole the election" pack of idiots, too (despite the fact that EVERY SINGLE RECOUNT -- Including the unofficial one done by left-wing newspaper and magazine staffers...all had counts favoring Bush).

Well, that's not entirely true http://www.aei.org/docLib/20040526_KeatingPaper.pdf but enough of this. Let's get back on topic Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 05 January 2008 02:13:20 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote: clip.....

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http://www.aei.org/docLib/20040526_KeatingPaper.pdf

but enough of this. Let's get back on topic

The paper doesn't say that Bush stole the election.

It says that for various technical problems, that when an automatic balot counter tabulates votes, each ballot has around 2% chance of not being counted.

Aaron, is there anything else to say? do you realise how well you summarised a whole lot of things with your 2% statement? You just invalidated every election closer than 2% when counted by these machines, irrespective of Bush's beyond the womb powers and irrespective of how one can fold a $20!!!! there is little else to say, so i clipped it. Dimitris, a Dr. NO follower, come and join the Revolution! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 06 January 2008 11:36:43 am Aaron Kulkis wrote: .

Every automated means of counting votes is an invitation for fraud -- especially the ones with a telephone modem.

Yup! I honestly can not believe computers are used for voting.

If you're not familiar with the subject, go out and find the book "Votescam!"

It's interesting how the two brothers who wrote the book died of unnatural causes -- one just before the book went into publication, and the other a few years later.

Ho ho ho, look who is talking conspiracy theory!!! Ron Paul is your salvation, he speaks the truth about the constitution, the federal reserve, taxation etc, I think he disagrees with electronic voting as well, but you might have a problem because he also speaks the truth about Iraq... -- Dimitris, a Dr. NO follower, come and join the Revolution! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ok, I don't know how to word my question properly. I am writing a script that greps for a string (for a command that has multiple lines of output - the finger command) My problem: I want to take the standard output (1) from a grep command, but I also want to add my own values to the resulting line. Let's use a simple example: My script: ----------- for i in `sort /etc/passwd | cut -f1 -d":"` do finger $i | grep -i last done The output will look like this: -------------------------------- Last login Fri Jan 18 09:32 (SAST) on 57 from 163.197.212.133 Last login Fri Aug 31 13:06 (SAST) on 38 from 163.197.212.113 Last login Mon Jan 14 11:23 (SAST) on 39 from 163.197.208.90 Last login Wed Sep 12 08:00 (SAST) on 153 from 163.197.212.142 Last login Fri Jul 6 09:13 2007 (SAST) on 188 from 163.197.222.37 Last login Wed Feb 21 08:21 2007 (SAST) on 155 from 163.197.206.103 Last login Fri Jan 18 11:01 (SAST) on 218 from 163.197.212.11 Last login Thu Dec 20 10:50 (SAST) on 196 from 163.197.210.31 Last login Fri May 4 11:47 2007 (SAST) on 88 from 163.197.207.16 Last login Fri Jan 18 09:15 (SAST) on 81 from 163.197.212.83 BUT, I want to add the user's login to the lines above, for example: $i: Last login Fri Jan 18 09:32 (SAST) on 57 from 163.197.212.133 $i: Last login Fri Aug 31 13:06 (SAST) on 38 from 163.197.212.113 $i: Last login Mon Jan 14 11:23 (SAST) on 39 from 163.197.208.90 $i: Last login Wed Sep 12 08:00 (SAST) on 153 from 163.197.212.142 $i: Last login Fri Jul 6 09:13 2007 (SAST) on 188 from 163.197.222.37 where $i is the login of the user from the script How can I place $i, and the standard output of grep, on the same line (make it 1 line of output) ? Dirk *** Disclaimer *** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and legally privileged and is intended solely for the addressee and to others who have the authority to receive it. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorized and as such, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on it is unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately. The views expressed in this e-mail are the views of the individual sender and should in no way be construed as the views of the Company. The Company is not liable to ensure that outgoing e-mails are virus-free. The Company is not liable, should information or data, for whatever reason, be corrupted or fail to reach its intended addressee. The Company is not liable for any loss or damage of whatsoever nature and howsoever arising resulting from the opening or the use of the information in this e-mail, including its attachments and links. The sender of this e-mail is subject to and bound by the terms and conditions of Company+IBk-s Electronic Communications Usage Policy. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Great - thank you very much :-) I had to change the syntax a little, but it works :-) for i in `sort /etc/passwd | cut -f1 -d":"` do if blubb=`finger $i | grep Last` then echo "$i: $blubb" fi done Dirk -----Original Message----- From: Henne Vogelsang [mailto:hvogel@opensuse.org] Sent: 18 January 2008 04:34 PM To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] Add variables to standard output for Hi, On Friday, January 18, 2008 at 11:52:35, Dirk Moolman wrote:

Ok, I don't know how to word my question properly. I am writing a script that greps for a string (for a command that has multiple lines of output - the finger command)

My problem: I want to take the standard output (1) from a grep command, but I also want to add my own values to the resulting line. Let's use a simple example:

My script: ----------- for i in `sort /etc/passwd | cut -f1 -d":"` do finger $i | grep -i last done

The output will look like this: Last login Mon Jan 14 11:23 (SAST) on 39 from 163.197.208.90

BUT, I want to add the user's login to the lines above, for example:

$i: Last login Fri Jan 18 09:32 (SAST) on 57 from 163.197.212.133

for i in `sort /etc/passwd | cut -f1 -d":"` do if blubb=`finger $i | grep Last`; then echo "$i: $blubb"; fi done Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+-help@opensuse.org *** Disclaimer *** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and legally privileged and is intended solely for the addressee and to others who have the authority to receive it. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorized and as such, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on it is unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately. The views expressed in this e-mail are the views of the individual sender and should in no way be construed as the views of the Company. The Company is not liable to ensure that outgoing e-mails are virus-free. The Company is not liable, should information or data, for whatever reason, be corrupted or fail to reach its intended addressee. The Company is not liable for any loss or damage of whatsoever nature and howsoever arising resulting from the opening or the use of the information in this e-mail, including its attachments and links. The sender of this e-mail is subject to and bound by the terms and conditions of Company+IBk-s Electronic Communications Usage Policy. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson wrote:

On Saturday 05 January 2008 23:13:47 Philippe Landau wrote:

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Einstein's theories are flawed and if you look up his 1905 paper you will see that he does not credit the sources he plagiarised: "E = mc2 can be attributed to S. Tolver Preston (1875), to Jules Henri Poincaré (1900; according to Brown, 1967) and to Olinto De Pretto (1904) before Einstein. Since Einstein never correctly derived E = mc2 (Ives, 1952), there appears nothing to connect the equation with anything original by Einstein." The sources are detailed in the papers quoted above. Of course you won't touch them because they are works of "Crackpots" :-)

E=mc2 is not the correct form of the equation, and quoting it as such completely misses the point of Einstein's paper. Come back when you can find a source who understands that

As a sidenote: how is science advanced by discrediting Einstein? It won't produce any new inventions. I can only think of one possible reason for working so hard at it, and it's not a very creditable reason

On the other hand, science has been substantially advanced by failed attempts to discredit Einstein (every experiment which has tested special and general relativity has failed to discredit Einstein, thereby giving greater confidence in the use of his theory).

Anders

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Wolfgang Woehl wrote:

Samstag, 5. Januar 2008 Philippe Landau:

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work. This happens all the time. Discovery of Bush's involvement in 9-11 is a prominent current example gripping many. Science is advanced by

There's new evidence or what?

Yes. They just pulled new evidence out of their ass yesterday. The latest is that if you fold the 20-dollar bill in a special way, you'll see representations of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon attacks... never mind that these are off of the reverse side of the bill which was designed in *1928*, a full 15 years before the Pentagon was built, and 45 years before the World Trade Center was built... so by this latest evidence, the 9-11 plot goes all the way back to the "Roaring `20's", before the Stock Market Crash of 1929 and the Great Depression. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott wrote:

Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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so by this latest evidence, the 9-11 plot goes all the way back to the "Roaring `20's", before the Stock Market Crash of 1929 and the Great Depression.

Both of which were Dubya's fault! ;-)

It's amazing how much power he had before he was even born! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun January 6 2008, Hans Witvliet scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:

On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 20:12 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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James Knott wrote:

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Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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so by this latest evidence, the 9-11 plot goes all the way back to the "Roaring `20's", before the Stock Market Crash of 1929 and the Great Depression.

Both of which were Dubya's fault! ;-)

It's amazing how much power he had before he was even born!

Probably, because he's also known as Voldermort ;-)

So, How many of you are voting for Hillary? ;) -- j I'm out of my mind - but feel free to leave a message .... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 07 January 2008 21:45, jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:

So, How many of you are voting for Hillary? ;)

Personally if I'm not able to vote for Ron Paul, I might vote for the Hitlary. The way I see it, she might just push enough to make the people shoot back (at last). JIM -- Jim Hatridge Linux User #88484 Ebay ID: WartHogBulletin ------------------------------------------------------ WartHog Bulletin Info about new German Stamps http://www.WartHogBulletin.de Many Enemies -- Much Honor! Anti-US Propaganda stamp collection http://www.manyenemies-muchhonor.info An American in Bavaria http://www.gaubodengalerie.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Both of which were Dubya's fault! ;-)

Dubya ?? as in Walter Winchell ?? - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHgDR3ClSjbQz1U5oRAgVmAJ4+RJPbnTMuwLHwEI2uzf1ZCgrZMwCeLXMd rr9JOht6CxpE6ITpAI1E5jI= =g2TQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Billie Walsh wrote:

On 01/05/2008 Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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Yes. They just pulled new evidence out of their ass yesterday.

The latest is that if you fold the 20-dollar bill in a special way, you'll see representations of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon attacks... never mind that these are off of the reverse side of the bill which was designed in *1928*, a full 15 years before the Pentagon was built, and 45 years before the World Trade Center was built... so by this latest evidence, the 9-11 plot goes all the way back to the "Roaring `20's", before the Stock Market Crash of 1929 and the Great Depression.

If you fold a $100 bill the face of Benjamin Franklin looks just like Jack Benny. So what?

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On Saturday 05 January 2008 08:45:08 pm Mike McMullin wrote:

PLEASE TAKE THIS TO OFF-TOPIC

+1 -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 06 January 2008 05:22:45 Aaron Kulkis wrote:

Philippe Landau wrote:

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Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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Shibu Basheer escribió: "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." - Albert Einstein

His plagiarism interfered just as much. http://nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html

Einstein never claimed to be doing anything original. All he did was assume that ALL of the experimental data was, in fact, correct, even though it appeared to be contradictory. He then asked himself, if all of this data is correct, then what is the explanation for it all?

What Einstein did is was to take the physics community and reposition the viewpoint to the one place where ALL of the data made sense simultaneously.

Einstein never claimed to be all that great. Einstein himself said the following:

"If I have seen farther, it is only because I am standing on the shoulders of giants."

Actually, that quote is not attributable to Einstein, it's from Sir Isaac Newton. (in fact there is evidence it predates him, but it the quote is generally referred to with Newton in mind) Jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

Philippe Landau escribió:

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"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." - Albert Einstein

His plagiarism interfered just as much. http://nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html

Oh..I see.. I will have to change my email message quotes, not due the highly dubious and questionable article you linked, but because it created yet another useless, off-topic discussion... **sigh**

I wouldn't worry to much about it. It seems that most posts on this list tend to run off-topic after the first couple posts. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 06 January 2008 16:15:02 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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Oh..I see.. I will have to change my email message quotes, not due the highly dubious and questionable article you linked, but because it created yet another useless, off-topic discussion... **sigh**

I wouldn't worry to much about it. It seems that most posts on this list tend to run off-topic after the first couple posts.

Yes, Chris is *sadly* missed here. This thread would have been *terminated* and those ignoring the termination would have found themselves unable to post.

You're one of the worst off-topic posters around, so I don't think you should speak too loudly In any case, it was Saturday. Some days you have to let loose -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Yes, you must be still affected by Saturday night activities now to make the previous statement. And the post was *not* about you in particular, but feel guilty if you must.

??? - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.24-rc6-2-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@tribal-sfn2 Systeem: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha0 KDE: 3.5.8 "release 28" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHgP56X5/X5X6LpDgRAijEAJ49pVlBtNhquaEyeEQRcNsyc50d8QCeLyGy e7gpJ+rOqcnZ1dxSBmWu0vU= =3v/Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Can we continue on offtopic list.

Which address is? Looked: http://en.opensuse.org/NB-Communicate#Development_Lists but did not find it... ;-) Maybe i overlooked it, many lists..... - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.24-rc6-2-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@tribal-sfn2 Systeem: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha0 KDE: 3.5.8 "release 28" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHgQi2X5/X5X6LpDgRAn+5AJsGpTlCKJRylVGMbEm3BCxRlAY+UwCgwruq TcqwLdK7ey5zZmIs9UMgG2k= =uw7I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Jan 6, 2008 1:18 AM, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

Shibu Basheer escribió:

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HI Felix, Thanks for you suggestions. I've ruled both the problem, because the system is running quite stable in safe mode,

Your box 's CPU is overheating, check that instead or later you will find a nice and useless burnt CPU.

Hi Guys, Thanks for all your suggestions. I really do not think this is a CPU over hearting issue. This is what I found : After much testing with various combinations, I have pinned down the problem to issue happening only when bootup into init 5. i.e. even if I boot in safe mode with init 5 with acpi=off this issue persists. However if I boot into init 3, and then I start kde with startx after logging in to text console, the system is stable. Any ideas? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-01-06 at 01:47 +0530, Shibu Basheer wrote:

Thanks for all your suggestions. I really do not think this is a CPU over hearting issue. This is what I found :

Before ruling that out completely, install something to read the cpu temperature, like gkrellm.

After much testing with various combinations, I have pinned down the problem to issue happening only when bootup into init 5. i.e. even if I boot in safe mode with init 5 with acpi=off this issue persists.

However if I boot into init 3, and then I start kde with startx after logging in to text console, the system is stable.

Any ideas?

Power management thinking you pressed the power button. Perhaps you can see that in the logs. Some one was having a similar issue in the Spanish list last October (Thread: portatil loco) - I finally found it. The solution we found was to edit /etc/powersave/events, and change the line: EVENT_BUTTON_SLEEP="suspend_to_disk" to "ignore". My very wild but educated guess here is you change the line: EVENT_BUTTON_POWER="wm_shutdown" to "ignore". Try it and see if it works. You may need to reboot, but try "rcpowersaved restart" first as root in a console, then login. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHf+3GtTMYHG2NR9URAnSHAJ0YQm+zgUSVn8YyZ4R2Oif83vyrcgCfduwJ D8glMjVX0DIlBfG5YJgkGdM= =GnA3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Shibu Basheer wrote:

Hi Guys,

Thanks for all your suggestions. I really do not think this is a CPU over hearting issue. This is what I found :

After much testing with various combinations, I have pinned down the problem to issue happening only when bootup into init 5. i.e. even if I boot in safe mode with init 5 with acpi=off this issue persists.

However if I boot into init 3, and then I start kde with startx after logging in to text console, the system is stable.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

Well if the problem is not the heat, then the problem might be in your graphic system. The only big difference between init 3 and init 5 is the running of the graphic system. I don't thinks it's X since you are able to start and run it stable in init 3. So what is running in init 5 and not in init 3... i think you'll find the problem there somewhere. sander -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 05 January 2008 01:48:45 pm Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

Shibu Basheer escribió:

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HI Felix, Thanks for you suggestions. I've ruled both the problem, because the system is running quite stable in safe mode,

Your box 's CPU is overheating, check that instead or later you will find a nice and useless burnt CPU.

I had shutdown problem and it was too hot CPU. System was unable to run longer than to the login screen, and than it will shut down. Though, under the different conditions it will probably run longer until some CPU intensive operation will be started and than shut down anyway. Shibu should be able to go to the BIOS and check temperature. Boot in a normal way (no safe settings) wait or do some CPU intensive operation and straight after spontaneous shutdown go direct in BIOS menu with temperature monitor and see what temperature is. Temperature close to upper limit (1 or 2 C) would mean that hadware problem can't be ruled out. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 05 January 2008 03:15:54 pm Felix Miata wrote:

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Shibu should be able to go to the BIOS and check temperature. Boot in a normal way (no safe settings) wait or do some CPU intensive operation and straight after spontaneous shutdown go direct in BIOS menu with temperature monitor and see what temperature is.

Temperature close to upper limit (1 or 2 C) would mean that hadware problem can't be ruled out.

I'm of the opinion that CPU temperature sensors vary widely in their accuracy. IOW, some will report too hot when in fact temp is well within tolerance, while on the other extreme, they can read so low that the CPU can be damaged from excess heat without warning.

I do agree on this, that is the reason to tell that hardware problem should not be ruled out if temperature is close to the limit. It should be investigated thoroughly, but for the further ideas there is need some numbers, CPU type, MB type, computer vendor, any work done on computer, dust level on fans and heatsinks, etc.

This sounds like a possible case of the former, where the max tolerance setting in the BIOS needs to be higher to properly reflect actual CPU operation. The result if this is true is that the OS sensor software sees the limit hit prematurely, and shuts the system down needlessly. This is easily fixed by upping the BIOS limit by 5C or 10C.

This can be done, but one should make sure it is proper solution, or have spare CPU and try and see ;-) -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Have you checked if the CPU fan is running OK and are the fins on the heat sink clear of crud. I sorted a system that was shutting down by cleaning off a layer of dust that looked like felt it was so badly blocked. On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 14:58 -0600, Rajko M. wrote:

On Saturday 05 January 2008 01:48:45 pm Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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Shibu Basheer escribió:

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HI Felix, Thanks for you suggestions. I've ruled both the problem, because the system is running quite stable in safe mode,

Your box 's CPU is overheating, check that instead or later you will find a nice and useless burnt CPU.

I had shutdown problem and it was too hot CPU. System was unable to run longer than to the login screen, and than it will shut down. Though, under the different conditions it will probably run longer until some CPU intensive operation will be started and than shut down anyway.

Shibu should be able to go to the BIOS and check temperature. Boot in a normal way (no safe settings) wait or do some CPU intensive operation and straight after spontaneous shutdown go direct in BIOS menu with temperature monitor and see what temperature is.

Temperature close to upper limit (1 or 2 C) would mean that hadware problem can't be ruled out.

-- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org