On Saturday 13 October 2007 14:21, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

! This Reading Problem A Have Won't You Suppose I Then Well Oh

It's not particularly hard, but the analogy is entirely false.

Not!

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Nah..... Sometimes (like you), I put replies inline. And, I'm not sure that the "do as the romans do" is real. A few vocal bottom feeders^^^^^^^posters seem to want to force it on the others ;-) Long live choice - it's what OSS and Linux is supposed to be about. P. P.S. Please forgive me - I work for Google, and even they consider me strange. Jerry Houston wrote:

Paul Hands wrote:

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I prefer top posting as I can see the most recent stuff first, and I don't have any problem with reverse ordering. I am quite happy either way as well, so I *don't* try to force my view on others.

You're right -- with respect to business email. And it makes sense to carry all the previous thread along with each message (which is what usually happens with top-posting). If a situation requires that someone new be brought into the conversation, simply Cc'ing them provides them with the whole history of the discussion. The wasted space is the company's wasted space, and they probably have IT policies to limit your mailbox storage to a reasonable size. Indeed, email clients like Outlook, that are primarily business-oriented, default to top-posting replies.

Public mailing lists are different. Here, we all have access to all of the previous messages. Nobody new is being introduced to a conversation, because we're all part of every conversation anyway, unless we choose not to be. In the case of a public mailing list, it makes sense to follow the internet conventions (especially if the list administration requests it), for all the reasons that those conventions were put in place. The wasted space is on somebody else's servers, and that's not playing nice.

At work, or in personal emails to friends, you should follow your own advice, and post wherever you like.

Here, though, you should consider yourself to be in Rome, and do as the Romans do.

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On 10/13/07, Billie Walsh wrote:

I hope you got you asbestos underwear on. I gotta feeling your gonna need it.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Billie Walsh wrote:

Paul Hands wrote:

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I prefer top posting as I can see the most recent stuff first, and I don't have any problem with reverse ordering. I am quite happy either way as well, so I *don't* try to force my view on others. Post where you like, people, we're all supposed to be bright enough to cope with it.

Paul

I hope you got you asbestos underwear on. I gotta feeling your gonna need it.

ok, we might as well take bets on how long this thread is going to last before the last post is made..... I say sometime near halloween , any takers?? here we go AGAIN........lol -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHEV2ReNVNQEizwUoRApozAKDMCpVCS3NwPF6WgbtF0BIPt9FntACg2+Vx w+QyzfLG3gHb97Mhjpxv9H8= =nwCE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 10/13/2007 sfreilly wrote:

ok, we might as well take bets on how long this thread is going to last before the last post is made..... I say sometime near halloween , any takers??

here we go AGAIN........lol

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Asbestos? No. Way too weak. I need reinforced kevlar. Anyway, if people take this all too seriously, then that's their problem - it just gets in the way of communication. Lets do the communicating and stop worrying about the mechanism. P. :-) Billie Walsh wrote:

Paul Hands wrote:

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I prefer top posting as I can see the most recent stuff first, and I don't have any problem with reverse ordering. I am quite happy either way as well, so I *don't* try to force my view on others. Post where you like, people, we're all supposed to be bright enough to cope with it.

Paul

I hope you got you asbestos underwear on. I gotta feeling your gonna need it.

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I've never worn Nomex, but it sounds interesting, if possibly sweaty. Being Scottish I just wear the kilt. Fireproof by sheer bloody-mindedness. P. Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Saturday 13 October 2007 17:20, Paul Hands wrote:

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Asbestos?

No. Way too weak.

I need reinforced kevlar.

I assume you mean Nomex. Kevlar is for protection against projectile impact. Nomex is for heat protection. (Though they are similar polymers.)

But if you'd like to participate in the improvement of the species, you might as well go with asbestos. If you survive to old age without exhibiting any signs of malignant mesothelioma, we'll take your "genetic material" and use it to produce a line of asbestos-resistant offspring.

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Anyway, if people take this all too seriously, ....

Eh?

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P. :-)

RRS

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On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 02:13:12PM +0100, jpff wrote:

Just to add to the numbers, I very much prefer sensible -- sorry -- top posting. have been doing so for many years(*).

I have been using computers for not that long, however have been using Usenet and mailinglists pretty intence and I prefere inline and if not bottomposting. I do not even answer topposters.

I hate having to read pages of quoted text that I have already seen just to get the one line addition.

That is where inline posting comes in and also snipping irrelevant parts. Also understand that you are on a mailinglist and not in personal mail, so it is very well possible that somebody has not read everything. So deleting everything is also very rude as it might not always be clear what or who you answer to.

==John ffitch (*) Been using computer mail for 39 years

Then you will be aware of the moments where 7 people eamil each other and suddenly decide that you should be in on it as well. Ye need to scroll down 25 pages and find the text between several company-disclaimers what is said and what you should answer to the question "What do you think of this?" With mailinglists it is the same. Each moment people start reading in the middle of a thread, because they just got the time now or are interested in the subject, or whatever reason. I also am unable to remember each and every posting I read in the last few days. I follow several newsgroups as well (although not as intence as I used to) and mailinglists, so it is always good to be rememberd what a person reacts to. houghi -- To have a nice mailinglist experience, follow the guidelines below:

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On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 09:58:02AM -0500, Bryen wrote:

4) Ok now I have to turn my sights on the oldies here. :-) While mistakes are clearly being made by us newbies, please do bear in mind that in fact they ARE newbies. The angry tone and threats to filter out does no good to the spirit of the forum itself. Give people a chance to adjust. Saying "I do not even answer topposters"... what did that gain?

Yes, oldies are tired of asking politely over and over again to please not toppost. Some people still keep topposting. Stating they they are killfiled is not an angry tone, it is a polite way of ecplaining what you are going to do.

All it does is create two camps in the same list and in essence two sub "invisible" lists where one is filtered and the other isn't.

Filtering is an individual something. If poeple decide to filter me or anmybody else out for whatever reason is totaly up to them. I would find it rude if they NOT tell me their point of view as to why they would do so. Wether somebody replies or not on whatever is also up to those individuals. I think it to be polite to let people know that I do not answer topposters in general. That way they can take action or not. Yet at least they know the reason. houghi -- To have a nice mailinglist experience, follow the guidelines below:

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On Sunday, 14 October 2007, Anders Johansson wrote:

And some oldies are just sick to death of this whole discussion which seems to me to be far more annoying than the top posts themselves

Grow up

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On 2007/10/14 14:41 (GMT-0400) Jos van Kan apparently typed:

There is a time for every purpose under heaven. Eccl ?:?:? Where is Felix Miata when we need him? :-)

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-10-14 at 14:13 +0100, jpff wrote:

Just to add to the numbers, I very much prefer sensible -- sorry -- top posting. have been doing so for many years(*). I hate having to read pages of quoted text that I have already seen just to get the one line addition.

You are supposed to eliminate all the extra unneeded quotes when bottom posting. People that bottompost without eliminating those lines are just as bad as those that toppost. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHEi7qtTMYHG2NR9URAppuAJ9Pbv/We+TVi13i6PUs96IoxQ5AqgCfcMTb GOloMq1+43X71z8u+oin36w= =AlZL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-10-14 at 10:24 -0400, Michael Comperchio wrote:

post I have to move the mouse to scroll through (sometimes) pages of stuff I've already read! It's irritating.....so I usually just right click and delete those that are bottom posted.

Because those bottomposters are lazy and don't follow the rules. They are supposed to eliminate all that unneeded text. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHEi/VtTMYHG2NR9URAqKTAJ4kNonXb8tKnR7yfUJvqgcOkUxIMACfc43q dk4K81+bGkk80O6XByM+73I= =pn9N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org