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Doug

29 Sep 2010 29 Sep '10

05:09

This from the amateur (ham radio) microwave list, for your information. (Previous message) Folks It appears that the GMAIL server is not accepting microwave list mail when you are the originator of the message. I will have my ISP look into it. If you have a xxx@gmail.com address, you might not be getting your own messages back through the list, and in some cases it might not even get to the list. (Next message) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Mw] Gmail accounts Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:59:53 -0400 From: Tom Williams To: Microwave_temp Folks with Gmail accounts. According to Google, the Gmail system has a "feature" which automatically filters out from you inbox messages which you have sent to any email list. It apparently throws them away. Google tells you that they are "still there" in your "sent folder". Personally, I find this amazingly poor design, but that is what I have learned. Tom _______________________________________________ Microwave mailing list microwave@lists.valinet.com http://lists.valinet.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/microwave ********************************************************************* Maybe this is all old news to you folks, but I thought it worthwhile to pass it on. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Basil Chupin

29 Sep 29 Sep

07:31

On 29/09/2010 15:09, Doug wrote:

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This from the amateur (ham radio) microwave list, for your information.

(Previous message)

Folks It appears that the GMAIL server is not accepting microwave list mail when you are the originator of the message. I will have my ISP look into it.

If you have a xxx@gmail.com address, you might not be getting your own messages back through the list, and in some cases it might not even get to the list.

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-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Mw] Gmail accounts Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:59:53 -0400 From: Tom Williams To: Microwave_temp

Folks with Gmail accounts.

According to Google, the Gmail system has a "feature" which automatically filters out from you inbox messages which you have sent to any email list. It apparently throws them away. Google tells you that they are "still there" in your "sent folder". Personally, I find this amazingly poor design, but that is what I have learned.

Tom

I believe that this "feature" of gmail has been known for quite some time. BC -- Sound that shatters silence is called noise. Sound that enhances silence is called music. Chinese proverb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

C

07:35

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 09:31, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I believe that this "feature" of gmail has been known for quite some time.

Otherwise known as years.... :-P It's been discussed over and over on pretty much every mailing list I subscribe to for... or pretty much since GMail was available. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

07:56

On 29/09/2010 17:35, C wrote:

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On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 09:31, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I believe that this "feature" of gmail has been known for quite some time.

Otherwise known as years.... :-P It's been discussed over and over on pretty much every mailing list I subscribe to for... or pretty much since GMail was available.

C.

Ah, so he has been 'spamming' this all over the place :-) . I responded to it in the ubuntu list. BC -- Sound that shatters silence is called noise. Sound that enhances silence is called music. Chinese proverb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

C

08:04

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 09:56, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Otherwise known as years.... :-P It's been discussed over and over on pretty much every mailing list I subscribe to for... or pretty much since GMail was available.

Ah, so he has been 'spamming' this all over the place :-) .

I responded to it in the ubuntu list.

Mmmm he's probably just trying to be helpful. It seems like every week someone new "discovers" that GMail does stupid stuff on mailing lists, and then shotguns the discovery out to the rest of us :-) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

17:40

On 9/28/2010 10:09 PM, Doug wrote:

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This from the amateur (ham radio) microwave list, for your information.

(Previous message)

Folks It appears that the GMAIL server is not accepting microwave list mail when you are the originator of the message. I will have my ISP look into it.

If you have a xxx@gmail.com address, you might not be getting your own messages back through the list, and in some cases it might not even get to the list.

As others have said, its a feature, not a bug. If you want your mails inline, and you have a filter to put all your opensuse mail in a specific folder(Label) then just add another filter

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From contains your gmail address to contains opensuse@opensuse.org Apply Label (your list label).

So for me this filter is set up as Matches: from:(jsamyth@gmail.com) to:(opensuse@opensuse.org) Do this: Apply label "SUSE" So threads look complete. -- _____________________________________ At one time I had a Real Sig. Its been downsized. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

18:02

* John Andersen [09-29-10 13:42]:

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On 9/28/2010 10:09 PM, Doug wrote:

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It appears that the GMAIL server is not accepting microwave list mail when you are the originator of the message. I will have my ISP look into it.

If you have a xxx@gmail.com address, you might not be getting your own messages back through the list, and in some cases it might not even get to the list.

As others have said, its a feature, not a bug.

If you want your mails inline, and you have a filter to put all your opensuse mail in a specific folder(Label) then just add another filter

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From contains your gmail address to contains opensuse@opensuse.org Apply Label (your list label).

So for me this filter is set up as Matches: from:(jsamyth@gmail.com) to:(opensuse@opensuse.org) Do this: Apply label "SUSE"

So threads look complete.

OR: use another smtp account with your gmail address. I have been doing this since I got my first gmail address in September 04. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

18:41

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2010-09-29 at 14:02 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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OR: use another smtp account with your gmail address. I have been doing this since I got my first gmail address in September 04.

Unfortunately, none of the smtp servers I use accepts any "from" address that is not theirs - except precisely gmail. Ah! The trick would be to have two gmail accounts and post from the other :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkyjiHQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U6tACgkPj7O0nuquMf2oyyf6MlobbC G+EAoIdptJRIeRTjL4JjBYJ+P04KvQvp =3b6H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

19:34

On 9/29/2010 11:41 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Wednesday, 2010-09-29 at 14:02 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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OR: use another smtp account with your gmail address. I have been doing this since I got my first gmail address in September 04.

Unfortunately, none of the smtp servers I use accepts any "from" address that is not theirs - except precisely gmail.

Ah! The trick would be to have two gmail accounts and post from the other :-)

-- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar)

Or avoid heroic measures and put in the filter. Its worked for me for years. I posted this two years ago: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-08/msg01177.html -- _____________________________________ At one time I had a Real Sig. Its been downsized. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

19:51

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2010-09-29 at 12:34 -0700, John Andersen wrote:

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On 9/29/2010 11:41 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Wednesday, 2010-09-29 at 14:02 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Or avoid heroic measures and put in the filter. Its worked for me for years.

Not goog enough. It is not proof that the email got to the list. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkyjmMAACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XFlgCbBH4gEgM3YQJWCM5wntbrkJCx t3IAn07cxEOpNA1ED4xl0sl+X5hYuiNG =DN/I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

19:55

On 9/29/2010 12:51 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Wednesday, 2010-09-29 at 12:34 -0700, John Andersen wrote:

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On 9/29/2010 11:41 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Wednesday, 2010-09-29 at 14:02 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Or avoid heroic measures and put in the filter. Its worked for me for years.

Not goog enough. It is not proof that the email got to the list.

-- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar)

Your first reply is. Seriously, how often does this fail? -- _____________________________________ At one time I had a Real Sig. Its been downsized. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

20:32

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2010-09-29 at 12:55 -0700, John Andersen wrote:

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Seriously, how often does this fail?

You will never know >:-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkyjom8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UkegCfU4WYAbUEPUR0nImbvMpLrIvE nFcAoJfZoivDF6vfSWc4KYfvWYMXp52l =J5rx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

19:58

* Carlos E. R. [09-29-10 14:45]:

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On Wednesday, 2010-09-29 at 14:02 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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OR: use another smtp account with your gmail address. I have been doing this since I got my first gmail address in September 04.

Unfortunately, none of the smtp servers I use accepts any "from" address that is not theirs - except precisely gmail.

Ah! The trick would be to have two gmail accounts and post from the other :-)

Or host your own server, but on dynamic addresses that brings a host of other problems. Of course, with postfix you can designate the smtp based on destination address :^). I do not know whether opensuse.org accepts list mail from dynamic addresses. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

20:40

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2010-09-29 at 15:58 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: El 2010-09-29 a las 15:58 -0400, Patrick Shanahan escribió:

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* Carlos E. R. <> [09-29-10 14:45]:

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On Wednesday, 2010-09-29 at 14:02 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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OR: use another smtp account with your gmail address. I have been doing this since I got my first gmail address in September 04.

Unfortunately, none of the smtp servers I use accepts any "from" address that is not theirs - except precisely gmail.

Ah! The trick would be to have two gmail accounts and post from the other :-)

Or host your own server, but on dynamic addresses that brings a host of other problems. Of course, with postfix you can designate the smtp based on destination address :^). I do not know whether opensuse.org accepts list mail from dynamic addresses.

It did, I haven't tried recently. The spam score (SA) went up, and with another broken rule or two you were out. I mean, sometimes it worked, sometimes it did not. And often failed silently. I did have postfix rules to choose server depending on the to address time ago. If it was to the list, I sent direct. Elsewhere, relay. Something llike that. Failure rate increased with the years, and the exception table became a nuisance to maintain. Now I always relay, but I have postfix choosing smtp server based on the from address instead, precissely because no one (ISPs here) accepts to send email with a different adress. So, I have to use gmail to send with my opensuse alias, for example. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkyjpCgACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U1hQCfeMXO+qG6eNUX0hxSMABPu7UE BXYAoJdr/1h8fz7DOZ+jMq/ymqEhDjNE =wMIh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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