[opensuse] kubuntu question
I know a lot of kubuntu questions appear here. I have submitted my subscription to their list, but so far have not heard anything back. So I pose the question here: I got some Kubuntu discs a little while ago, and I would like to try them on my XP computer, which presently has a separate HD with Suse 10.0 on it. (I have another computer dedicated at the moment to Suse 9.3.) I will blow off Suse 10.0 and install Kubuntu, but I have questions: First, all the Kubuntu discs have the same stuff on the label-- Version 6.06 LTS, but no sequence number. How do I find disc 1, etc.? (All the disks seem to have a readme file which in each case says "disknum 1".) Is this safe to do with whatever the Kubuntu installer does? I definitely do not want to lose my XP disc and partition. I have some important information on there, as well as some music from before they shut Napster down. (Stuff that's NOT available on media that's presently in print or for sale anywhere.) --tia--doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
One disk is all you need. The rest of the install, if needed, can be done on-line. Frank Arnold On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 19:52 -0500, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I know a lot of kubuntu questions appear here. I have submitted my subscription to their list, but so far have not heard anything back. So I pose the question here:
I got some Kubuntu discs a little while ago, and I would like to try them on my XP computer, which presently has a separate HD with Suse 10.0 on it. (I have another computer dedicated at the moment to Suse 9.3.) I will blow off Suse 10.0 and install Kubuntu, but I have questions:
First, all the Kubuntu discs have the same stuff on the label-- Version 6.06 LTS, but no sequence number. How do I find disc 1, etc.? (All the disks seem to have a readme file which in each case says "disknum 1".)
Is this safe to do with whatever the Kubuntu installer does? I definitely do not want to lose my XP disc and partition. I have some important information on there, as well as some music from before they shut Napster down. (Stuff that's NOT available on media that's presently in print or for sale anywhere.)
--tia--doug
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On Thursday 16 November 2006 18:52, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I know a lot of kubuntu questions appear here. I have submitted my subscription to their list, but so far have not heard anything back. So I pose the question here: No... you should not post Ubuntu questions here. Having said that, I will still try to help you... cause I'm a geek hacker and I love Ubuntu... and I'm currently angry at navell for climbing into bed with M$... but that's another story.
I got some Kubuntu discs a little while ago, and I would like to try them on my XP computer, which presently has a separate HD with Suse 10.0 on it. (I have another computer dedicated at the moment to Suse 9.3.) I will blow off Suse 10.0 and install Kubuntu, but I have questions: No no no... blow off windoze XP and keep both Suse 10 and Ubuntu... then if this silly snafu between navell and M$ doesn't work out... you can drop Suse also.....
First, all the Kubuntu discs have the same stuff on the label-- Version 6.06 LTS, but no sequence number. How do I find disc 1, etc.? (All the disks seem to have a readme file which in each case says "disknum 1".) My Ubuntu "disk" in a DVD... contains the full version of 6.06 LTS and is contained on one (1) disk... very convenient... the Ubuntu folks will mail you a disk, or if you want you can purchase Sam's Ubuntu Unleashed and get the disk in the back cover... I recommend this for Ubuntu newbies because I think Andrew Hudson and Paul Hudson have done an outstanding job with the book... neither here nor there... I am going to assume (perhaps wrongly) that only one of the CDs you have is "bootable"? Having said that... I must admit that I have never seen a CD set for Ubuntu... only the DVD.
Is this safe to do with whatever the Kubuntu installer does? I definitely do not want to lose my XP disc and partition. I have some important information on there, as well as some music from before they shut Napster down. (Stuff that's NOT available on media that's presently in print or for sale anywhere.) No....
Never, and I mean never, experiment with a production or critical system. *never* Having said that... it probably isn't going to hurt you... but remember what I said... *never*. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 17 November 2006 03:21, M Harris wrote:
I know a lot of kubuntu questions appear here. I have submitted my subscription to their list, but so far have not heard anything back. So I pose the question here:
No... you should not post Ubuntu questions here. Having said that, I will still try to help you... cause I'm a geek hacker and I love Ubuntu... and I'm currently angry at navell for climbing into bed with M$... but that's another story.
It's not that any of us are. FUD is already starting: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/11/17/1324248.shtml -- // Janne -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ballmer: Linux users owe Microsoft He says the open-source operating system infringes on his company's intellectual property http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9005171&source=NLT_AM&nlid=1 -afan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 17 November 2006 19:19, afan@afan.net wrote:
He says the open-source operating system infringes on his company's intellectual property
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&art icleId=9005171&source=NLT_AM&nlid=1
Once again time for Novell to clarify. Better yet, they could demand MS to provide details of the infringement. -- // Janne -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ballmer: Linux users owe Microsoft He says the open-source operating system infringes on his company's intellectual property
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&art icleId=9005171&source=NLT_AM&nlid=1
-afan Maybe its time for the justice department to reopen the lawsuit againest MS. i switched to Linux because of the issues using MS and costs. I also find it a better and easy system to use. Why would Novell ever sign a deal with the
On Fri November 17 2006 09:19, afan@afan.net wrote: likes of MS? Just my two cents. -- Russ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/17/2006 09:36 AM, Russbucket wrote:
On Fri November 17 2006 09:19, afan@afan.net wrote:
Ballmer: Linux users owe Microsoft He says the open-source operating system infringes on his company's intellectual property
It's well worth having a look at the full text of Ballmer's comments:
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/108806.asp?source=rss I especially like the part where he says:
anybody who has got Linux in their data center today sort of has an undisclosed balance sheet liability
That degree of FUD-raking makes it look like they're pretty insecure about Vista being adopted on its own merits. It's also interesting how his description of the deal differs from the Novell story. At the same time, to the vast credit of the Novell developers it looks like Nat Friedman and Miguel de Icaza are fighting fiercely for a rewording of the agreement: http://blogs.msdn.com/jasonmatusow/archive/2006/11/11/your-input-requested.a... Wouldn't like to be in their shoes right now. Saill -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
At 09:36 AM 11/17/2006 -0800, Russbucket wrote:
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-afan Maybe its time for the justice department to reopen the lawsuit againest MS. i switched to Linux because of the issues using MS and costs. I also find it a better and easy system to use. Why would Novell ever sign a deal with the
On Fri November 17 2006 09:19, afan@afan.net wrote: likes of MS?
Just my two cents. -- Russ --
You'll never see that happen in this administration! --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Maybe he can ask SCO how far that argument went. Look, I'm not saying that everybody in the Microsoft office isn't Satan Spawn, but Microsoft is more than Gates and Ballmer and to imagine that we can make a large impact in the computer world without them is absurd. Doug McGarrett wrote:
At 09:36 AM 11/17/2006 -0800, Russbucket wrote:
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Ballmer: Linux users owe Microsoft He says the open-source operating system infringes on his company's intellectual property
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicart icleId=9005171&source=NLT_AM&nlid=1
-afan Maybe its time for the justice department to reopen the lawsuit againest MS. i switched to Linux because of the issues using MS and costs. I also find it a better and easy system to use. Why would Novell ever sign a deal with the
On Fri November 17 2006 09:19, afan@afan.net wrote: likes of MS?
Just my two cents. -- Russ --
You'll never see that happen in this administration!
--doug
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John Meyer wrote:
Maybe he can ask SCO how far that argument went.
Look, I'm not saying that everybody in the Microsoft office isn't Satan Spawn, but Microsoft is more than Gates and Ballmer
OK, I'm with you so far...
and to imagine that we can make a large impact in the computer world without them is absurd.
? Now that is a complete non-sequitur. I have no response to that, other than to say that I'm astounded by the absurdity of the notion that unix/linux needs microsoft's blessing in order to succeed in dislodging microsoft from their comfortable near-monopoly position. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 What I'm saying is, in the context of all the doom and glooming that's been going on on this list, there is a place between kissing Microsoft's rear and holding annual Bill burning parties on our front lawn. J Sloan wrote:
John Meyer wrote:
Maybe he can ask SCO how far that argument went.
Look, I'm not saying that everybody in the Microsoft office isn't Satan Spawn, but Microsoft is more than Gates and Ballmer
OK, I'm with you so far...
and to imagine that we can make a large impact in the computer world without them is absurd.
?
Now that is a complete non-sequitur. I have no response to that, other than to say that I'm astounded by the absurdity of the notion that unix/linux needs microsoft's blessing in order to succeed in dislodging microsoft from their comfortable near-monopoly position.
Joe
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afan@afan.net wrote:
Ballmer: Linux users owe Microsoft He says the open-source operating system infringes on his company's intellectual property
-afan
So, what else is new??? It's one thing to claim infringement and quite another to prove it, as SCO has found. According to what I've been reading, MS has been filing a lot of frivolous patent applications. Also, some companies have threatened retaliatory patent suits against anyone who tries to use patents against Linux. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 18:19 +0100, afan@afan.net wrote:
Ballmer: Linux users owe Microsoft
His claim is correct, but on other grounds.... If it wasn't for the resource hungry products of M$, we would all be using 80386 with 640KB memory. Disk-storage of over 1TB would be something for the far far future. BTW, who claimed that 640KB was enough resource for everybody ;-))))) hwit -- pgp-id: 926EBB12 pgp-fingerprint: BE97 1CBF FAC4 236C 4A73 F76E EDFC D032 926E BB12 Registered linux user: 75761 (http://counter.li.org) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-17 16:04, Hans Witvliet wrote:
<snip> BTW, who claimed that 640KB was enough resource for everybody ;-)))))
hwit
No one. The number cited was 64KB :-) -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-17 16:04, Hans Witvliet wrote:
<snip> BTW, who claimed that 640KB was enough resource for everybody ;-)))))
hwit
No one. The number cited was 64KB :-)
Actually, it was 640K. Prior to the IBM PC, 8 bit computers were generally limited to 64k. The PC could access 640K at that time, which was 10x what the 8 bit systems were capable of. Incidentally, that first PC came with all of 16K bytes in the base system. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Actually, it was 640K. Prior to the IBM PC, 8 bit computers were generally limited to 64k. The PC could access 640K at that time You are correct... I was alive then... I remember. Do you guys realize that
On Friday 17 November 2006 22:32, James Knott wrote: there are young comp sci grads going into the work-force today who were not alive when the IBM PC was announced.... some of them were not alive when Billy Gates made his infamous quote of no vision..."no one will ever need more than 640K..." -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Do you remember "OS/2 is the operating system of the 90s!!!"? On Friday 17 November 2006 23:47, M Harris wrote:
On Friday 17 November 2006 22:32, James Knott wrote:
Actually, it was 640K. Prior to the IBM PC, 8 bit computers were generally limited to 64k. The PC could access 640K at that time
You are correct... I was alive then... I remember. Do you guys realize that there are young comp sci grads going into the work-force today who were not alive when the IBM PC was announced.... some of them were not alive when Billy Gates made his infamous quote of no vision..."no one will ever need more than 640K..."
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On Friday 17 November 2006 22:52, you wrote:
Do you remember "OS/2 is the operating system of the 90s!!!"? Are you kidding...?
I was *there* (at IBM) from the beginning with OS/2 1.0... and the big IBM M$ divorce, and the death of MicroChannel, and the birth of M$ BloatWare, and that lame-headed Lou Gerstner who single-handedly stripped IBM of its three basic beliefs, buried OS/2 Warp4, and handed the future over to Steve Ballmer, effectively hamstringing the rest of American industry with all of M$s great innovation for the next 16 years.... yeah, I remember. OS/2 (may you rest in peace) -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 17 November 2006 23:08, M Harris wrote:
Do you remember "OS/2 is the operating system of the 90s!!!"?
Are you kidding...? Actually, within IBM in the 90s, OS/2 was *the* OS on the desk--- period.
Of course IBM is often its own best customer... and OS/2 was no exception. You folks won't believe this... but I actually threw out my OS/2 Warp3 and Warp4 disks just two weeks ago... talk about die hard... I was cleaning out my den and found my OS/2 library, disks, and an old PS/2 mod 50 monitor... believe it or not... man what a relic. Well, it all went to the dumpster... all but the monitor... recycle laws... Remember green eggs and ham.... I do not like it (OS2), I do not like it chairman Lou... I will not have it in my house, I will not drive it with a mouse, I will not load it here... I will not load it there... I will not load it anywhere... I do not like my OS/2, I do not like it chairman Lou... <sigh> -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
M Harris wrote:
On Friday 17 November 2006 22:52, you wrote:
Do you remember "OS/2 is the operating system of the 90s!!!"?
Are you kidding...?
I was *there* (at IBM) from the beginning with OS/2 1.0... and the big IBM M$ divorce, and the death of MicroChannel, and the birth of M$ BloatWare, and that lame-headed Lou Gerstner who single-handedly stripped IBM of its three basic beliefs, buried OS/2 Warp4, and handed the future over to Steve Ballmer, effectively hamstringing the rest of American industry with all of M$s great innovation for the next 16 years.... yeah, I remember.
OS/2 (may you rest in peace)
It's not dead yet. Many people still run it and you can buy a version called "eComStation". I still have OS/2 Warp 4 installed here, though it's been a while since I've used it. http://www.ecomstation.com and it even includes OpenOffice. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rob Hutton wrote:
Do you remember "OS/2 is the operating system of the 90s!!!"?
Yes, and it all goes to show you can't trust Bill Gates & MS to follow through on anything they promise their customers. Around the time he was making that claim, he was diverting IBM's money from OS/2 development to Windows. There is also some evidence he cheated Ed Roberts and MITS, from back when he was working on Altair BASIC. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 17 November 2006 22:52, Rob Hutton wrote:
Do you remember "OS/2 is the operating system of the 90s!!!"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmiwiUeEn4k -- Glenn Holmer (Q-Link: ShadowM) http://www.lyonlabs.org/commodore/c64.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
M Harris wrote:
On Friday 17 November 2006 22:32, James Knott wrote:
Actually, it was 640K. Prior to the IBM PC, 8 bit computers were generally limited to 64k. The PC could access 640K at that time
You are correct... I was alive then... I remember. Do you guys realize that there are young comp sci grads going into the work-force today who were not alive when the IBM PC was announced.... some of them were not alive when Billy Gates made his infamous quote of no vision..."no one will ever need more than 640K..."
Well, I bought my first computer (an IMSAI 8080 in 1976 and when the PC first came out, many considered a step backwards from what 8 bit CP/M systems were capable of. For example, back then, there was even an multiuser version called MP/M. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 18 November 2006 06:37, James Knott wrote:
Well, I bought my first computer (an IMSAI 8080 in 1976 and when the PC first came out, many considered a step backwards from what 8 bit CP/M systems were capable of. For example, back then, there was even an multiuser version called MP/M. CP/M 80 .... remember it well... isn't it amazing how much the first M$DOS looked and behaved like CP/M...? (thief)
And then there was BASIC... basically stolen also... Billy Gates inventing BASIC is almost as laughable as ALGORE inventing the internet... now that I think of it... BASIC is the *only* program Billy ever "wrote".... hmmm. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sat, 18 Nov 2006, by harrismh777@earthlink.net:
On Saturday 18 November 2006 06:37, James Knott wrote:
Well, I bought my first computer (an IMSAI 8080 in 1976 and when the PC first came out, many considered a step backwards from what 8 bit CP/M systems were capable of. For example, back then, there was even an multiuser version called MP/M. CP/M 80 .... remember it well... isn't it amazing how much the first M$DOS looked and behaved like CP/M...? (thief)
The QDOS author only knew CP/M when he wrote his little app-starter, and he didn't know it very either, or he would've abandoned the drive A: .. Z: notion right from the start, and used the much easier (Unix) mount notion.
And then there was BASIC... basically stolen also... Billy Gates inventing BASIC is almost as laughable as ALGORE inventing the internet... now that I think of it... BASIC is the *only* program Billy ever "wrote".... hmmm.
Not even that. The bulk of the code was written by Paul Allen. BG merely (re)wrote history.. Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 26N , 4 29 47E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 9.2 + Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Kernel 2.6.8 + See headers for PGP/GPG info. Claimer: any email I receive will become my property. Disclaimers do not apply. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Sat, 18 Nov 2006, by harrismh777@earthlink.net:
On Saturday 18 November 2006 06:37, James Knott wrote:
Well, I bought my first computer (an IMSAI 8080 in 1976 and when the PC first came out, many considered a step backwards from what 8 bit CP/M systems were capable of. For example, back then, there was even an multiuser version called MP/M.
CP/M 80 .... remember it well... isn't it amazing how much the first M$DOS looked and behaved like CP/M...? (thief)
The QDOS author only knew CP/M when he wrote his little app-starter, and he didn't know it very either, or he would've abandoned the drive A: .. Z: notion right from the start, and used the much easier (Unix) mount notion.
QDOS was originally intended as a development system for hardware, while Seattle Computer Projects waited for CP/M-86 to be released. It wasn't supposed to replace CP/M, until BG got hold of it. Incidentally, he sold it to IBM, before he bought it from SCP.
And then there was BASIC... basically stolen also... Billy Gates inventing BASIC is almost as laughable as ALGORE inventing the internet... now that I think of it... BASIC is the *only* program Billy ever "wrote".... hmmm.
Not even that. The bulk of the code was written by Paul Allen. BG merely (re)wrote history..
Theo
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On Sunday 19 November 2006 06:16, M Harris wrote:
And then there was BASIC... basically stolen also... Billy Gates inventing BASIC is almost as laughable as ALGORE inventing the internet... now that I think of it... BASIC is the *only* program Billy ever "wrote".... hmmm.
The difference of course is that Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet, merely that he acted in his role as senator to push through the financing to make it happen - which is true The invention claim is just the right wing spin to make him look stupid - please stop propagating it -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 19 November 2006 02:05, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 19 November 2006 06:16, M Harris wrote:
And then there was BASIC... basically stolen also... Billy Gates inventing BASIC is almost as laughable as ALGORE inventing the internet... now that I think of it... BASIC is the *only* program Billy ever "wrote".... hmmm.
The difference of course is that Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet, merely that he acted in his role as senator to push through the financing to make it happen - which is true
The invention claim is just the right wing spin to make him look stupid - please stop propagating it
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Sunday 19 November 2006 06:39, John Andersen wrote:
On Sunday 19 November 2006 02:05, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 19 November 2006 06:16, M Harris wrote:
And then there was BASIC... basically stolen also... Billy Gates inventing BASIC is almost as laughable as ALGORE inventing the internet... now that I think of it... BASIC is the *only* program Billy ever "wrote".... hmmm.
The difference of course is that Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet, merely that he acted in his role as senator to push through the financing to make it happen - which is true
The invention claim is just the right wing spin to make him look stupid - please stop propagating it
Whoever wrote that page is just engaging in left wing spin to split hairs and make Gore look smart. The article tries to equate Gore's alleged motivating force behind the internet with Eisenhower's push for the interstate system. The difference is Eisenhower had already seen an existing highway system in Germany and the bills and legislation pushed in the US for the highway system were specifically to meet the direct goal of building high speed, highway system. Here's Al Gore's quote, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system." HE says HE took the initiative in creating the Internet. He was rightfully derided for trying to elevate himself in importance to the internet by the predominately left-wing press which summarized his statement as, "inventing". He's telling us to believe he could see the end result of hundreds of little bills, pork projects, defense appropriations, and research requests while he was in congress, and that he is responsible for these myriad efforts that helped create the internet. However, if you read the whole page, it also admits, "many of the components of today's Internet came into being well before Gore's first term in Congress began in 1977." Self promotion is what politicians do. There are hundreds of politicians who happend to vote the same on bills as Al Gore without knowing what they were doing, like Al Gore. The difference is he tried to represent his history as something that it was not, and so was publically spanked for it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 19 November 2006 16:54, Ken Jennings wrote:
He's telling us to believe he could see the end result of hundreds of little bills, pork projects, defense appropriations, and research requests while he was in congress, and that he is responsible for these myriad efforts that helped create the internet. However, if you read the whole page, it also admits, "many of the components of today's Internet came into being well before Gore's first term in Congress began in 1977."
Components, yes. TCP/IP was designed well before that. But it wasn't "the Internet" until the early 90s. Like I said, he never claimed to have invented it, merely to have pushed for its general use.
Self promotion is what politicians do. There are hundreds of politicians who happend to vote the same on bills as Al Gore without knowing what they were doing, like Al Gore. The difference is he tried to represent his history as something that it was not, and so was publically spanked for it.
No, there were two differences. One was that he was one of the most active sponsors of these bills, not just one of the people voting for them. The other difference is that he ran for president, and was caught in the traditional right wing spin cycle that the "liberal" media publishes as a matter of course I suppose you noticed the last paragraph as well. Just in case you didn't http://www.webbyawards.com/webbys/specialwin.php The Webby Lifetime Achievement Award: Former Vice President Al Gore Setting the record straight on one of recent history's most persistent political myths, The Webby Awards will present Former Vice President Al Gore with The Webby Lifetime Achievement Award in recognition of the pivotal role he has played in the development of the internet over the past three decades. Vint Cerf, widely credited as one of the "fathers of the internet," will present Vice President Gore with the award. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 19 November 2006 10:54, Ken Jennings wrote:
Whoever wrote that page is just engaging in left wing spin to split hairs and make Gore look smart. <snipped a bunch of lame regurgitated mythical right wing spin>
Below are facts you can't dispute, Ken, without looking biased and uninformed: * Gore didn't "coin" the term "information superhighway" but he *did* start using it in his speeches and writings in the early 1990s. As the author at snopes put it "... when few people outside academia or the computer/defense industries had heard of the Internet." * "[Gore] ... sponsored [in legislation-speak, "sponsored"="wrote" or "cowrote" meaning at least "helped create"] the 1988 National High-Performance Computer Act (which established a national computing plan and helped link universities and libraries via a shared network)..." * "[Gore] ... cosponsored [again, at least "helped create"] the Information Infrastructure and Technology Act of 1992 (which opened the Internet to commercial traffic)." And I remember these things. I worked in the industry in Silicon Valley between 1987 and 2000, mostly marketing RISC/UNIX and TCP/IP products to government, defense industry (R&D) and university clients. Can the truth (and the misinformation you've regurgitated) be any clearer? Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Ken Jennings
Whoever wrote that page is just engaging in left wing spin to split hairs and make Gore look smart. ...
imnsho, this is a *petty* argument from both sides. This is _not_ addressed _at_ ken only... Why is it necessary to discuss politics in a technical forum, especially when a forum, suse-ot, was specifically created for those non-technical discussions deemed necessary by some? Join the suse-ot list and continue ad infinitum And PLEASE take the Novell-M$ contract discussion there tooooooo! -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 19 November 2006 12:06, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
imnsho, this is a *petty* argument from both sides.
I agree that it *is* petty for someone to post an inaccurate, unwarranted and OT political smear in a technically oriented list and thread. IMHO, it is *not* petty to clarify the record by supplying first-hand knowledge which refutes the smear. ...
The origin of the internet, much before 1988, was for US military and acadamic collaboration which was difficult to disrupt.
That's right. As the article stated, Al Gore never claimed to "invent" the Internet, which is the derisive myth spun by the far right to smear Al Gore's character for political purposes.
The 1988 "Act" was merely another step forward in the internet evolution where many *unmentioned* individuals participated, and continue to do so, with much greater impact than the "Act".
Al Gore sponsored (i.e. "championed" or "spearheaded") that legislation, Patrick. He didn't just "participate." Why do people persist in trying to minimize this contribution? And it wasn't just a "mere step" like some obscure legislative technical clarification, it was a *national initiative* to interconnect our universities and libraries on a shared network. That's a significant milestone, period. And the 1992 Information Infrastructure and Technology Act that Al Gore cosponsored four years later actually opened that same network to commercial traffic. The fact is, he was exploring and promoting these technology opportunities well before the majority of his peers in government.
This is _not_ addressed _at_ ken only...
Why is it necessary to discuss politics in a technical forum, especially when a forum, suse-ot, was specifically created for those non-technical discussions deemed necessary by some?
Join the suse-ot list and continue ad infinitum
We've participated on OT discussions there many times, haven't we?
And PLEASE take the Novell-M$ contract discussion there tooooooo!
I agree. This entire thread including tangents belongs on OT. regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 19 November 2006 05:05, Anders Johansson wrote:
The difference of course is that Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet, merely that he acted in his role as senator to push through the financing to make it happen - which is true Semantic spin which is absolute balderdash ....
He said, "I took the initiative in creating the internet". This statement is not qualified... it says nothing of his duties as Senator to push anything within his power to "push"... it says simply, plainly, arrogantly, and stupidly--- that he is the ONE who took the INITIATIVE to CREATE the Internet... which is pure hockey-puck. He didn't initiate anything of the sort... nor did he take the initiative... nor did he create any such thing... he may have sponsored internet related legislation, and he may have taken a lead (I doubt it) role to sponsor the use, blah blah blah... but his stupid statement (the right wing didn't have to spin it into stupidity either) clearly implies that if it were not for him there would be no internet... balderdash. Ok... I'll stop using the word "invent" when I'm on my ALGORE stump. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Saturday 18 November 2006 06:37, James Knott wrote:
Well, I bought my first computer (an IMSAI 8080 in 1976 and when the PC first came out, many considered a step backwards from what 8 bit CP/M systems were capable of. For example, back then, there was even an multiuser version called MP/M. CP/M 80 .... remember it well... isn't it amazing how much the first M$DOS looked and behaved like CP/M...? (thief)
And then there was BASIC... basically stolen also... Billy Gates inventing BASIC is almost as laughable as ALGORE inventing the internet... now that I think of it... BASIC is the *only* program Billy ever "wrote".... hmmm.
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I was writing BASIC programs in the latter 1960's, when Billy was probably in Kindergarten. They ran on a mainframe somewhere in Texas, over an acoustic phone modem. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 19 November 2006 12:14, Doug McGarrett wrote:
At 11:16 PM 11/18/2006 -0600, M Harris wrote:
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On Saturday 18 November 2006 06:37, James Knott wrote:
Well, I bought my first computer (an IMSAI 8080 in 1976 and when the PC first came out, many considered a step backwards from what 8 bit CP/M systems were capable of. For example, back then, there was even an multiuser version called MP/M. CP/M 80 .... remember it well... isn't it amazing how much the first M$DOS looked and behaved like CP/M...? (thief)
And then there was BASIC... basically stolen also... Billy Gates inventing BASIC is almost as laughable as ALGORE inventing the internet... now that I think of it... BASIC is the *only* program Billy ever "wrote".... hmmm.
-- Kind regards,
M Harris <>< --
I was writing BASIC programs in the latter 1960's, when Billy was probably in Kindergarten. They ran on a mainframe somewhere in Texas, over an acoustic phone modem.
I was wondering if anyone was going to point this out. What Billy did do was develop the 4K BASIC interpreter which was used on many popular micros at the time (Commodore,Tandy,Atari,etc.) -- JAY VOLLMER JVOLLMER@VISI.COM TEXT REFS DOUBLEPLUSUNGOOD SELFTHINK VERGING CRIMETHINK - IGNORE FULLWISE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 19 November 2006 15:49, Jay C Vollmer wrote:
On Sunday 19 November 2006 12:14, Doug McGarrett wrote:
At 11:16 PM 11/18/2006 -0600, M Harris wrote:
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On Saturday 18 November 2006 06:37, James Knott wrote:
Well, I bought my first computer (an IMSAI 8080 in 1976 and when the PC first came out, many considered a step backwards from what 8 bit
CP/M
systems were capable of. For example, back then, there was even an multiuser version called MP/M.
CP/M 80 .... remember it well... isn't it amazing how much the first
M$DOS
looked and behaved like CP/M...? (thief)
And then there was BASIC... basically stolen also... Billy Gates
inventing
BASIC is almost as laughable as ALGORE inventing the internet... now that
I
think of it... BASIC is the *only* program Billy ever "wrote".... hmmm.
-- Kind regards,
M Harris <>< --
I was writing BASIC programs in the latter 1960's, when Billy was probably in Kindergarten. They ran on a mainframe somewhere in Texas, over an acoustic phone modem.
I was wondering if anyone was going to point this out. What Billy did do was develop the 4K BASIC interpreter which was used on many popular micros at the time (Commodore,Tandy,Atari,etc.)
Yeah, I wasn't aware of anyone stating he "developed" BASIC. He developed the interpretors, which most of us used on our Apple II, Atari 400, TRS-80, TI/99 or Commodore systems. I remember a story he gave about developing a game for the IBM PC where he was locked up in his cleaning closet at the Albuquerque office working all night for several nights to finish it. He said it was the last time he wanted to code. -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jay C Vollmer wrote:
I was wondering if anyone was going to point this out. What Billy did do was develop the 4K BASIC interpreter which was used on many popular micros at the time (Commodore,Tandy,Atari,etc.)
And we should also point out that he developed Altair BASIC on Harvard computers, even though those computers were not supposed to be used for commercial purposes. Also BG, who also accused others of stealing a tape of BASIC, made a habit of dumpster diving, to "borrow" code from others. Once he had one BASIC it wasn't a lot more work to port it to different systems. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ballmer: Linux users owe Microsoft He says the open-source operating system infringes on his company's intellectual property
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&art icleId=9005171&source=NLT_AM&nlid=1 Why does anyone at all pay attention to this guy? He's an MS cheerleader and
On Friday 17 November 2006 12:19, afan@afan.net wrote: little more. Generally his rants get news space for the same reasons car crashes do. One never knows when he will flip out and do something outrageous. Ignore him and he will die a thousand deaths waiting to be famous again. -- j Let freedom ring, let the white dove sing . Let the whole world know that today is the day of reckoning. Let the weak be strong. Let the might be wrong, throw the stone away. Let the guilty pay! It's Independence Day -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 16 November 2006 19:52, Doug McGarrett wrote: you go NOW.
I know a lot of kubuntu questions appear here. I have submitted my subscription to their list, but so far have not heard anything back. So I pose the question here:
I got some Kubuntu discs a little while ago, and I would like to try them on my XP computer, which presently has a separate HD with Suse 10.0 on it. (I have another computer dedicated at the moment to Suse 9.3.) I will blow off Suse 10.0 and install Kubuntu, but I have questions:
First, all the Kubuntu discs have the same stuff on the label-- Version 6.06 LTS, but no sequence number. How do I find disc 1, etc.? (All the disks seem to have a readme file which in each case says "disknum 1".)
Is this safe to do with whatever the Kubuntu installer does? I definitely do not want to lose my XP disc and partition. I have some important information on there, as well as some music from before they shut Napster down. (Stuff that's NOT available on media that's presently in print or for sale anywhere.)
--tia--doug
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On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 19:52 -0500, Doug McGarrett wrote:
First, all the Kubuntu discs have the same stuff on the label-- Version 6.06 LTS, but no sequence number. How do I find disc 1, etc.? (All the disks seem to have a readme file which in each case says "disknum 1".)
I believe they send 5 copies of the disk, so you will convert 4 other people...
Is this safe to do with whatever the Kubuntu installer does? As long as you read the installer screens, the win will be safe...if you take the defaults, then I think your win is gone. At least that's the way their 5.10 cd worked. I was not impressed, and haven't used the newer distro.
If you are networked...why not backup your win stuff onto your 9.3 machine? -- Tom in NM SuSE 9.3/Evolution 6:53am up 4 days 12:11, 2 users, load average: 0.05, 0.06, 0.08 ==== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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