OOT: how's suse (novell) generate revenue
Hi All, Maybe it was disccus before, but i'd have some question, if SuSE now is openSuSE, how suse generate revenue ? What else that will sell ? Support ? Suse Linux Enterprise ? I ask this because I really like suse, and I hope this one will stand last but as many business, they need revenue, right ? regards, -- Arie Reynaldi Zanahar reymanx at gmail.com http://www.reynaldi.or.id
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 06:11:56PM +0700, Arie Reynaldi Z wrote:
Hi All,
Maybe it was disccus before, but i'd have some question, if SuSE now is openSuSE, how suse generate revenue ? What else that will sell ? Support ? Suse Linux Enterprise ? I ask this because I really like suse, and I hope this one will stand last but as many business, they need revenue, right ?
First, you are misspelling SUSE. Please stop it if you are doing deliberately. openSUSE is a community project. It is not obsoleting or replacing anything. It is meant to increase community involvment in the SUSE Linux products and so increase the community mindshare. Ciao, Marcus
On Fri, 2005-08-12 at 13:16 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
First, you are misspelling SUSE. Please stop it if you are doing deliberately.
Marcus - Shut up. What does it matter to you how someone spells SuSE? Are you the SuSE police? Did Novell hire you for that purpose? Ciao, Jason
On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 01:23:46PM -0700, Jason Riker wrote:
Marcus - Shut up. What does it matter to you how someone spells SuSE? Are you the SuSE police? Did Novell hire you for that purpose?
Jasson, please at least try to adopt a more polite behaviour. I for one can understand that people don't really like to see their company's name (deliberately) misspelled. At least if it's not "just a job" for them. Rasmus
On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 08:57 +0200, Rasmus Plewe wrote:
Jasson,
please at least try to adopt a more polite behaviour. I for one can understand that people don't really like to see their company's name (deliberately) misspelled. At least if it's not "just a job" for them.
Rasmus
Rasmus, You are right. Marcus, I apologize to you and the group for my rudeness. Jason
On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 11:58:29PM -0700, Jason Riker wrote:
On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 08:57 +0200, Rasmus Plewe wrote:
Jasson,
please at least try to adopt a more polite behaviour. I for one can understand that people don't really like to see their company's name (deliberately) misspelled. At least if it's not "just a job" for them.
That's true. Microsoft sued a teenager for his name and the word soft. He was Mike Roe of Canada or something like that, and added soft to the end thinking it was funny, Microsoft had their lawyers aftre him in a small amount of time.
Rasmus
Rasmus,
You are right.
Marcus, I apologize to you and the group for my rudeness.
You seemed like you were new to this list and wanted to take a shot at someone who insures security in SUSE. Maybe because of being beaten up at school, or because .... I'm not sure why, but taking it out on him who simply asked for correct spelling of 4 letters, come on now.
Jason
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On Sat, Aug 13, 2005 at 06:26:29PM -0400, Allen wrote:
On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 11:58:29PM -0700, Jason Riker wrote:
Rasmus,
You are right.
Marcus, I apologize to you and the group for my rudeness.
You seemed like you were new to this list and wanted to take a shot at someone who insures security in SUSE. Maybe because of being beaten up at school, or because .... I'm not sure why, but taking it out on him who simply asked for correct spelling of 4 letters, come on now.
There is absolutely no need to attack Jason like this. Everyone can have a bad day (or misbehave for other reasons), but it takes some greatness to stand up for it, admit the error and apologize. Rasmus
Maybe it was disccus before, but i'd have some question, if SuSE now is openSuSE, how suse generate revenue ? What else that will sell ? Support ? Suse Linux Enterprise ? I ask this because I really like suse, and I hope this one will stand last but as many business, they need revenue, right ?
First, you are misspelling SUSE. Please stop it if you are doing deliberately. Sorry... :) I mean openSUSE ..
openSUSE is a community project. It is not obsoleting or replacing anything.
Ok, so when it comes suse 10.0, will it be commercial ? I still dont get this one. -- Arie Reynaldi Zanahar reymanx at gmail.com http://www.reynaldi.or.id
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 06:19:49PM +0700, Arie Reynaldi Z wrote:
Maybe it was disccus before, but i'd have some question, if SuSE now is openSuSE, how suse generate revenue ? What else that will sell ? Support ? Suse Linux Enterprise ? I ask this because I really like suse, and I hope this one will stand last but as many business, they need revenue, right ?
First, you are misspelling SUSE. Please stop it if you are doing deliberately. Sorry... :) I mean openSUSE ..
openSUSE is a community project. It is not obsoleting or replacing anything.
Ok, so when it comes suse 10.0, will it be commercial ? I still dont get this one.
10.0 will be in both versions. A retail box (SUSE Linux 10.0) and the OSS version (openSUSE 10.0). SUSE Linux 10.0 will have the shiny box and handbooks and the non-OSS packages (and perhaps more benefits I do not know right now). In the future, both openSUSE and SUSE Linux will diverge more, once we get to Stage2 or Stage3 of the openSUSE project. Ciao, Marcus
Marcus Meissner wrote:
10.0 will be in both versions. A retail box (SUSE Linux 10.0) and the OSS version (openSUSE 10.0).
Is there really going be such a name in nomenclature? I mean, will I get my bootup/GRUB/splashscreens saying openSUSE?
SUSE Linux 10.0 will have the shiny box and handbooks and the non-OSS packages (and perhaps more benefits I do not know right now).
non-OSS packages means stuff like Java or stuff like something Novell has created themselves closed-source?
In the future, both openSUSE and SUSE Linux will diverge more, once we get to Stage2 or Stage3 of the openSUSE project.
I thought that the thing Novell will be marketing is the Enterprise Server, and has released the Maybe I'm extending the Red Hat - Fedora model too much in a way that Novell didn't intend for SuSE [if so I'd like to be informed! :)] but: The product that was once a single Red Hat got divided into two: Red Hat Enterprise Linux which is a closed project, tested and developed by Red Hat employees (and official betas) for 18 months before release. It's not available freely for download to the public but is still under the GPL insofar as the source code is technically "available" (to those who pay Red Hat money for the sustenance of their employees). Fedora is an open project, tested and developed by the public and released every so often. It's available freely for download to the public, both the source and the binary. Nobody needs to pay anybody. Some stuff I learnt at http://www.redhat.com/software/rhelorfedora/. But one more important difference I thought I understood is that: RHEL can include proprietary stuff like Java etc, since Red Hat can formally license them from their makers like Sun etc. And Fedora cannot include such things, since Fedora is public, and who'll pay Sun for the license? At least, I'm told this is the way it is with Debian which is a totally open project. I think Fedora might have Java, though I'm not sure. But returning to Novell's SuSE and openSUSE, I'm a bit confused: Novell provides something called 1. SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 2. SuSE Linux Professional 3. Novell Linux Desktop And now to that openSUSE is added. AFAI understand openSUSE is an offshoot of [2] SuSE Linux Professional. Is Novell still going to *separately* develop SuSE Linux Professional? (Red Hat does not develop anything other than RHEL, AFAIK.) -- Shriramana Sharma http://samvit.org
On Friday 12 August 2005 14:07, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
Marcus Meissner wrote:
10.0 will be in both versions. A retail box (SUSE Linux 10.0) and the OSS version (openSUSE 10.0).
Is there really going be such a name in nomenclature? I mean, will I get my bootup/GRUB/splashscreens saying openSUSE?
no, openSUSE is the project which creates SUSE Linux. It is not an own distribution.
SUSE Linux 10.0 will have the shiny box and handbooks and the non-OSS packages (and perhaps more benefits I do not know right now).
non-OSS packages means stuff like Java or stuff like something Novell has created themselves closed-source?
yes. Not that I do know any closed-source component from Novell which will be part of it, but theoretical yes.
In the future, both openSUSE and SUSE Linux will diverge more, once we get to Stage2 or Stage3 of the openSUSE project.
This is a bit wrong. SUSE Linux will be the base for every Linux based product which cames from the openSUSE project. The commercial products will have more or less additional packages and more or less additional testing.
I thought that the thing Novell will be marketing is the Enterprise Server, and has released the
Maybe I'm extending the Red Hat - Fedora model too much in a way that Novell didn't intend for SuSE [if so I'd like to be informed! :)] but:
The product that was once a single Red Hat got divided into two:
Red Hat Enterprise Linux which is a closed project, tested and developed by Red Hat employees (and official betas) for 18 months before release. It's not available freely for download to the public but is still under the GPL insofar as the source code is technically "available" (to those who pay Red Hat money for the sustenance of their employees).
Fedora is an open project, tested and developed by the public and released every so often. It's available freely for download to the public, both the source and the binary. Nobody needs to pay anybody.
As it is (or will) be with openSUSE.
Some stuff I learnt at http://www.redhat.com/software/rhelorfedora/.
But one more important difference I thought I understood is that:
RHEL can include proprietary stuff like Java etc, since Red Hat can formally license them from their makers like Sun etc. And Fedora cannot include such things, since Fedora is public, and who'll pay Sun for the license? At least, I'm told this is the way it is with Debian which is a totally open project. I think Fedora might have Java, though I'm not sure.
But returning to Novell's SuSE and openSUSE, I'm a bit confused:
Novell provides something called
1. SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 2. SuSE Linux Professional 3. Novell Linux Desktop
And now to that openSUSE is added. AFAI understand openSUSE is an offshoot of [2] SuSE Linux Professional. Is Novell still going to *separately* develop SuSE Linux Professional? (Red Hat does not develop anything other than RHEL, AFAIK.)
No, openSUSE does create SUSE Linux (Professional). There will different editions from it (and most likely not only two, since we do also special versions for magazines and so on), but the base will be the same. bye adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SuSE AG, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian@suse.de
Adrian Schroeter wrote:
Novell provides something called
1. SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 2. SuSE Linux Professional 3. Novell Linux Desktop
And now to that openSUSE is added. AFAI understand openSUSE is an offshoot of [2] SuSE Linux Professional. Is Novell still going to *separately* develop SuSE Linux Professional? (Red Hat does not develop anything other than RHEL, AFAIK.)
No, openSUSE does create SUSE Linux (Professional). There will different editions from it (and most likely not only two, since we do also special versions for magazines and so on), but the base will be the same.
So does this mean that Novell is going to continue SuSE Linux Enterprise Server and Novell Linux Desktop, and openSUSE is the open project that is going to continue SuSE 9.3 Pro into SuSE 10 and onwards? Also, please tell me what are the target audiences for items 1 2 and 3 in the list above. Thanks. -- Shriramana Sharma http://samvit.org
Hi, On Friday, August 12, 2005 at 21:00:21, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
Adrian Schroeter wrote:
Novell provides something called
1. SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 2. SuSE Linux Professional 3. Novell Linux Desktop
And now to that openSUSE is added. AFAI understand openSUSE is an offshoot of [2] SuSE Linux Professional. Is Novell still going to *separately* develop SuSE Linux Professional? (Red Hat does not develop anything other than RHEL, AFAIK.)
No, openSUSE does create SUSE Linux (Professional). There will different editions from it (and most likely not only two, since we do also special versions for magazines and so on), but the base will be the same.
So does this mean that Novell is going to continue SuSE Linux Enterprise Server and Novell Linux Desktop
Of course we will.
and openSUSE is the open project that is going to continue SuSE 9.3 Pro into SuSE 10 and onwards?
Yes exactly.
Also, please tell me what are the target audiences for items 1 2 and 3 in the list above. Thanks.
Novell offers: 1. SUSE Linux Enterprise Server target: Everyone that needs a solid, stable, Linux server operating system with a long maintenance cylce and great support/stack offerings. So mostly companys. 2. SUSE Linux Professional is now called SUSE Linux and is developed by the openSUSE project. Target: Everyone that wants the results of the openSUSE project on physical media in a box plus great printed manuals, installation support and additional software. 3. Novell Linux Desktop target: Everyone that needs a solid, stable, Linux desktop operating system with a long maintenance cylce and great support/stack offerings. So mostly companys. Of course there will be other "editions" from SUSE Linux like Adrian said. The download version, special versions for magazines etc... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Subsystems "Rules change. The Game remains the same." - Omar (The Wire)
Henne that was very very clear! :) A few more Q-s. Henne Vogelsang wrote:
1. SUSE Linux Enterprise Server target: Everyone that needs a solid, stable, Linux server operating system with a long maintenance cylce and great support/stack offerings. So mostly companys.
3. Novell Linux Desktop target: Everyone that needs a solid, stable, Linux desktop operating system with a long maintenance cylce and great support/stack offerings. So mostly companys.
I see you've c&p-ed the text from SLES to NLD, seeing as even the typo "cylce" is intact. So then what's the diff betn SLES and NLD? I heard elsewhere that SLES is for the commercial server and NLD for the commerical desktop user (guy who is not a computer professional, doesn't know much about tech issues, but needs to have *some* OS on his office PC and it better not be M$) - is that right? But if that's right then why two different editions? You can just have one commercial product and opt out of installing the server packages for the end user - how does that justify an entirely separate version? It's unnecessary trouble for Novell, no? AFAI can understand the biggest difference between SuSE 9.3 (and onwards) from SLES is the difference between Fedora and RHEL - the former is for enthusiasts who need to be at the latest frontier of technology and is hence potentially unstable, and the latter is for the business users who attach more importance to stability than cutting-edge. So why three projects? -- Shriramana Sharma http://samvit.org
On Sat, Aug 13, 2005 at 07:53:42AM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
I heard elsewhere that SLES is for the commercial server and NLD for the commerical desktop user (guy who is not a computer professional, doesn't know much about tech issues, but needs to have *some* OS on his office PC and it better not be M$) - is that right?
But if that's right then why two different editions? You can just have one commercial product and opt out of installing the server packages for the end user - how does that justify an entirely separate version? It's unnecessary trouble for Novell, no?
You mean, like, instead of having and selling versions like "MS Windows XP Home" and "MS Windows XP Professional" simply having one "MS Windows XP", with two different installation profiles? Rasmus
Rasmus Plewe wrote:
On Sat, Aug 13, 2005 at 07:53:42AM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
But if that's right then why two different editions? You can just have one commercial product and opt out of installing the server packages for the end user - how does that justify an entirely separate version? It's unnecessary trouble for Novell, no?
You mean, like, instead of having and selling versions like "MS Windows XP Home" and "MS Windows XP Professional" simply having one "MS Windows XP", with two different installation profiles?
Wel, maybe not exactly like that - Windows isn't so intelligent as to allow real differences between installation profiles - usually all the customization you get has to do with superficial application packages like Notepad etc, and not to the extent of libraries or such "higher-level" (i.e. more geek) stuff. I wouldn't want to compare the idea of a Linux install with different install profiles to Win XP versions, but yeah, the general idea is the same Linux install with two different profiles. -- Shriramana Sharma http://samvit.org
Hello, Am Samstag, 13. August 2005 04:23 schrieb Shriramana Sharma:
Henne Vogelsang wrote:
1. SUSE Linux Enterprise Server target: Everyone that needs a solid, stable, Linux server operating ^^^^^^ system with a long maintenance cylce and great support/stack offerings. So mostly companys.
3. Novell Linux Desktop target: Everyone that needs a solid, stable, Linux desktop operating ^^^^^^^ system with a long maintenance cylce and great support/stack offerings. So mostly companys.
I see you've c&p-ed the text from SLES to NLD, seeing as even the typo "cylce" is intact. So then what's the diff betn SLES and NLD?
Just look at what I've underlined ;-)
I heard elsewhere that SLES is for the commercial server and NLD for the commerical desktop user (guy who is not a computer professional, doesn't know much about tech issues, but needs to have *some* OS on his office PC and it better not be M$) - is that right?
Yes. (But I don't like to subscribe your text in (...) for servers ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- 2.-5.9.2005: Weinfest in Insheim Bei der Landjugend: Liquid, AH-Band und Deafen Goblins Mehr Infos: www.Landjugend-Insheim.de
On Friday 12 August 2005 17:30, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
Adrian Schroeter wrote:
Novell provides something called
1. SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 2. SuSE Linux Professional 3. Novell Linux Desktop
And now to that openSUSE is added. AFAI understand openSUSE is an offshoot of [2] SuSE Linux Professional. Is Novell still going to *separately* develop SuSE Linux Professional? (Red Hat does not develop anything other than RHEL, AFAIK.)
No, openSUSE does create SUSE Linux (Professional). There will different editions from it (and most likely not only two, since we do also special versions for magazines and so on), but the base will be the same.
So does this mean that Novell is going to continue SuSE Linux Enterprise Server and Novell Linux Desktop, and openSUSE is the open project that is going to continue SuSE 9.3 Pro into SuSE 10 and onwards?
yes, and the SUSE Linux base will also used later to create the next generation SLES and NLD.
Also, please tell me what are the target audiences for items 1 2 and 3 in the list above. Thanks.
I am not the marketing / product manager for these products, but in short 1. Server installations which do need to be very stable, together with a dedicated maintainance for a guaranteed (and longer) timeframe. 2. Very similar, but for company desktops 3. For home users, who want more current versions than in 1. and 2. and they can accept only a two year maintainance for security issues only. bye adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SuSE AG, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian@suse.de
On Friday 12 August 2005 7:22 am, Marcus Meissner wrote: [snip]
In the future, both openSUSE and SUSE Linux will diverge more, once we get to Stage2 or Stage3 of the openSUSE project.
Meaning exactly "what?" Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 02:50:47PM -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On Friday 12 August 2005 7:22 am, Marcus Meissner wrote:
[snip]
In the future, both openSUSE and SUSE Linux will diverge more, once we get to Stage2 or Stage3 of the openSUSE project.
Meaning exactly "what?"
See the other mails and the FAQ. My explanation was not correct. Ciao, Marcus
On Friday 12 August 2005 3:08 pm, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 02:50:47PM -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On Friday 12 August 2005 7:22 am, Marcus Meissner wrote:
[snip]
In the future, both openSUSE and SUSE Linux will diverge more, once we get to Stage2 or Stage3 of the openSUSE project.
Meaning exactly "what?"
See the other mails and the FAQ. My explanation was not correct.
'Saright. Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.
Hi, On Friday, August 12, 2005 at 18:19:49, Arie Reynaldi Z wrote:
Maybe it was disccus before, but i'd have some question, if SuSE now is openSuSE, how suse generate revenue ? What else that will sell ? Support ? Suse Linux Enterprise ? I ask this because I really like suse, and I hope this one will stand last but as many business, they need revenue, right ?
First, you are misspelling SUSE. Please stop it if you are doing deliberately. Sorry... :) I mean openSUSE ..
openSUSE is a community project. It is not obsoleting or replacing anything.
Ok, so when it comes suse 10.0, will it be commercial ? I still dont get this one.
How about reading the FAQ on opensuse.org? :) http://opensuse.org/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Will_Novell_continu... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Subsystems "Rules change. The Game remains the same." - Omar (The Wire)
How about reading the FAQ on opensuse.org? :)
http://opensuse.org/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Will_Novell_continu...
Henne
*damn !* Thank you for pointing out :) I'm done here.. :D regards, -- Arie Reynaldi Zanahar reymanx at gmail.com http://www.reynaldi.or.id
Op vrijdag 12 augustus 2005 18:32, schreef Per Jessen:
Marcus Meissner wrote:
First, you are misspelling SUSE. Please stop it if you are doing deliberately.
Actually, he didn't _misspell_ anything - but he didn't get _capitalisation_ right.
/Per Jessen, Zürich
Please can the discussion about spelling the name SuSE/ open suse/ Open SUSE/ Novell SuSE linux/ Novell SUSE Linux or what ever stop. Its taking a whole lot of space in my inbox and it will lead to nothing at all. I think that every language prenounce it on there own way. Easy Ben Henderson
Ben wrote:
Please can the discussion about spelling the name SuSE/ open suse/ Open SUSE/ Novell SuSE linux/ Novell SUSE Linux or what ever stop. Its taking a whole lot of space in my inbox and it will lead to nothing at all.
Mon ami, if if takes too much unwarranted space in your inbox just delete it! :) For some of us, discussing spelling issues is fun, and even serious. As a friend of mine elsewhere remarked, the picky spelling capitalization scheme reinforces the idea that Linux is case-sensitive, so these are "sensitive" issues and certainly worth discussing (for us, at least)! :) Be well, -- Shriramana Sharma http://samvit.org
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