On 16/08/05, Ken Schneider wrote:

On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 11:33 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:

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On 16/08/05, Jie Li wrote:

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Hi, The place where I am working has an windows intranet and all the printers and file servers are shared on the local network. My question: is it possible to access to them from a linux OS?

As long as you have legal access to the Windows intranet

What do you mean by this? As long as the network uses TCP/IP any computer can connect to it. There is -no- legal anything to prevent it. There is only company policy to prevent it. Microsoft has no say in the matter.

I was speaking of legal in the sense of being allowed access via the Windows network in Windows shares :-) Not legal as in 'the law of the land'. Company policy might not even come into it. It would be down to the system administrator who has access to what files/directories/printers etc. Company policy may well dictate that a lowly office clerk will not have access to hidden CEO's files. The system admin may be a good friend and grant access though ;-) -- Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

On 16/08/05, Jie Li wrote:

I am unfortunately the lowest office worker in this company. :-( D** it, I can not even send email to outside. that's why I am using Gmail!

That could well be problematical then. However, I would assume that you have been granted access to printers that are networked? I may be wrong but I have the feeling that somebody mentioned not having to use samba to access a networked printer. Do you have any network storage space allocated to you? Don't worry about being at the bottom of the pile, we've (nearly) all been there and look on the bright side, you can only go up :-) -- Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

* David McMillan [08-17-05 19:22]:

Now, when I try to add a printer, I get a popup box asking for username and password, as if I were trying to access a network share (but this happens regardless if the printer is network or local). What's *really* odd, and annoying, about this is that neither my regular account login nor root will satisfy this popup -- I always get "authorization failed."

man lppasswd instituted in SuSE 9.0. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery

* David McMillan [08-18-05 17:59]:

Mmm... that turned out to be an excellent pointer. I still don't know why it changed, and it turns out that, according to lppasswd, neither my root nor user accounts even exist.

That is correct. You will not have passwords (lppasswd) until *you* or someone administering your system *makes* lppasswd. pat@wahoo:~> lppasswd --help Usage: lppasswd [-g groupname] man lppasswd: DESCRIPTION lppasswd adds, changes, or deletes passwords in the CUPS digest password file, passwd.md5.

And apparently I don't even *have* a passwd.md5 file. I know I didn't delete it....

not unless it was created. It is not created by system installation or CUPS installation.

However, the man page directed me to the CUPS documentation, and digging through that for a while eventually brought me to a place where I could disable authentication entirely, and now I can access everything again. Now I'll just have to work out how to restore authentication and get myself authorized, but at least I know where the problem lives. Thank you very much.

you're welcome -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery

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* David McMillan [08-18-05 17:59]:

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Mmm... that turned out to be an excellent pointer. I still don't know why it changed, and it turns out that, according to lppasswd, neither my root nor user accounts even exist.

That is correct. You will not have passwords (lppasswd) until *you* or someone administering your system *makes* lppasswd.

pat@wahoo:~> lppasswd --help Usage: lppasswd [-g groupname]

man lppasswd:

DESCRIPTION lppasswd adds, changes, or deletes passwords in the CUPS digest password file, passwd.md5. Ah. I missed something. The CUPS admin docs had

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, David McMillan wrote: this:

CUPS will ask you for a UNIX username and password when you perform printer administration tasks remotely or via a web browser. The default configuration requires that you use the root username and the corresponding password to authenticate the request.

Which I took to mean that the first time I ran into the Auth request, and gave it 'root' and my root password, it would have generated that account automatically. But that wasn't the case, on further re-reading -- I goofed.

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And apparently I don't even *have* a passwd.md5 file. I know I didn't delete it....

not unless it was created. It is not created by system installation or CUPS installation.

Yep. Got it now, after using lppasswd from the command line. And after re-enabling authentication in cupsd.conf, I get prompted agian, but now I can authenticate. Cool! So this problem is officially solved.

I am still missing something. I used lppasswd to add user "root" and password. The /etc/cups/cupsd.conf has the following settings: AuthType Basic AuthClass System with access restricted to the local system (default) but I still cannot login to CUPS administration from my [FireFox 1.0.6] browser. BTW, I am running SuSE 9.3 Pro will all current patches. Thank you, Lucky

Try to divide Basic and Digest with a space Paolo David McMillan wrote:

Lucky Leavell wrote:

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I am still missing something. I used lppasswd to add user "root" and password. The /etc/cups/cupsd.conf has the following settings:

AuthType Basic AuthClass System

Okay, which section is that in? There are several AuthTypes in that file. You're concerned with the section marked here. FWIW, my settings are a little different: AuthType BasicDigest AuthClass Group AuthGroupName sys Dunno why, but it couldn't hurt to try them.

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with access restricted to the local system (default) but I still cannot login to CUPS administration from my [FireFox 1.0.6] browser.

Okay, so you get a username/pwd prompt, but get an "authorization failed" every time? Have you tried doing this through the Utilities/Printing menu instead of via the browser? It shouldn't make any difference, they both use the same .md5 file, but it might be worth trying once just to see what happens.

Johannes Meixner wrote:

Hello

On Aug 17 10:23 David McMillan wrote (shortened):

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Something has changed in my CUPS setup under 9.1Pro since I last added a printer, and I don't know what it is. Now, when I try to add a printer, I get a popup box asking for username and password

Why didn't you have a look in our support database where the changes from version to version are described? Why do you complain instead of asking for a reason why it was changed?

...er, I *am* asking. I wasn't complaining, I didn't call anyone names, I just asked a question. As to why I haven't looked in the support DB (what DB? SuSEWiki?)... well, that's partly because for the time being, I'm only connected to the internet while I'm asleep. I'm working from a laptop -- I'm disconnected from the 'net during the day. When I get home at night I plug in and start my automatic email up/download before going to bed. So most of my email reading and writing comes during spare moments scattered through the working day. Not everyone has full internet access immediately available when they have free time.

David McMillan wrote:

My employer's IT dept, for reasons known only to them, is completely M$-centric, top to bottom -- *everything* is Windows Something, from the top servers to the lowest clients. The only things *not* M$ are a handful of Sun graphics workstations, and occaisionally me. The entire company is based around Outlook, using all the groupware capabilities -- public calenders, centrally administrated address book on the Exchange server, etc. Right now, my only access to my company email is via the Outlook Webmail server, because Outlook wouldn't coexist peacefully with nonstandard software I *had* to have (IT supports cookie-cutter, centrally administrated desktops -- I do field service of industrial equipment with a laptop), and IT "will not support email clients other than Outlook." I'm up for a new laptop soon, and my current plan is to leave IT's Windows setup alone so I can actually use the intranet when needed, and set up a dual-boot with SuSE (probably 9.2 or 9.3 Pro) so I can actually do my job. But, it would be nice if I could get at my email when I'm running SuSE w/o rebooting into WXP, and even nicer if I could use all those little 'extras' that the Outlook users have access to. So, does anyone know a good, proven Open-Source alternative to Outlook that can do what Outlook does?

What about Ximian Evolution with exchange connector? It is available from Novell Suse. Art

On Thursday 18 August 2005 20:15, Charles philip Chan wrote:

From what I have read, the email function in Exchange uses standard protocols (pop3, imap, etc).

s/uses/can use/ The default is MAPI which is very proprietary

On 18/08/05, Charles philip Chan wrote:

On 18 Aug 2005, andjoh@rydsbo.net wrote:

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The default is MAPI which is very proprietary

Thanks, I totally forgot about that evil, proprietary potocol :-(. The only email client that seem to support mapi under Linux is i.Scribe (free as in beer) and InScribe (commercial):

http://www.memecode.com/scribe.php

Hmm, very strange. I worked at a local university until the end of 2000. They too were totally M$ centric including Exchange server etc. I used to use Pegasus Mail (free but not sure if it's open source, doubt it) and it worked a treat. So, surely there must be a Linux OS alternative. -- Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

On 19/08/05, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Friday 19 August 2005 12:53, Kevanf1 wrote:

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Hmm, very strange. I worked at a local university until the end of 2000. They too were totally M$ centric including Exchange server etc. I used to use Pegasus Mail (free but not sure if it's open source, doubt it) and it worked a treat. So, surely there must be a Linux OS alternative.

Did you have outlook installed at all?

I think MAPI is actually built into windows proper if outlook installed, so any windows program can use it. The libs are there to be used

There are a few linux alternatives. Ximian Connector for Evolution seems to be working well

It was a few years ago but no, I seem to recall that I did not have Outlook installed at all. I think it was Exchange 5.5 they were running. -- Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

John Scott wrote:

If you can get to OWA form your desktop then you can use Evolution with Ximian Connector to get your email. If the mail admin only allows OWA from outside and requires MAPI inside (the mail admins do it where I work. Why???) then you're probably stuck with using Outlook under wine or from a MS Term Server/Citrix.

John

If it is allowed from the outside, but not the inside, why can't you use the external address to get to the server. When I setup laptops for outside sales, I test functionality by using the outside address (as they will be using their laptops from the outside). The request goes out over the Internet to the ISP, then comes right back and allows a login to the server. It might be worth a try. James W

David McMillan wrote:

My employer's IT dept, for reasons known only to them, is completely M$-centric, top to bottom -- *everything* is Windows Something, from the top servers to the lowest clients. The only things *not* M$ are a handful of Sun graphics workstations, and occaisionally me.

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But, it would be nice if I could get at my email when I'm running SuSE w/o rebooting into WXP, and even nicer if I could use all those little 'extras' that the Outlook users have access to. So, does anyone know a good, proven Open-Source alternative to Outlook that can do what Outlook does?

Couple of ideas. What version of Exchange? If it is 5.5, you're only options - I think - are to use outlook web access, if your company has that setup. (I use this often) or to put Outlook on your laptop. (I have Outlook XP on my home desktop for when I connect via VPN to my corporate network.) You can use WINE/Crossover Office or even VMWare for this second option. If you have Exchange 2000 or newer then you could do either of the above options or use Evolution, which comes with SuSE. Ximian Evolution has an exchange connector, which I've heard is very good and provides seamless integration. Not sure how the authentication works. but I'm sure that's covered. Hope that helps!

First time email to the list, hopefully its helpful. Working in a very MS centric company, that is to say on the desktop at least. I got very frustrated with the managed desktop they provided. So I sliced off a section of my laptop's drive and put Linux on it. I first went with Mandrake 10, and found it okay. I had the same issue as you, I had to get to the exchange servers via Linux, otherwise it was rather useless. The version of Evolution that came with that, and the Ximian connector were okay, but I found there were lots of issues, particularly with run away process' that would gobble up my RAM. I upgraded, and I mean fresh installed, but man was it an upgrade as far as usability! To Suse 9.3. Evolution and the Ximian connector that comes with it have been really superb. I typically do not have any issues (occasionally it does not want to connect up, but I just restart and it does). From the looks of it though the connector DOES require that your exchange server be providing OWA functionality. You have to provide the URL to it in order to grab your email. But it does give you all the functionality of Outlook. The calendar integrates, the address book. Since I do have to boot to Windows at times, I setup an IMAP server on a Linux box I have and I archive my mail over to that. That way I can get it whether I am booted to Suse or Windows. I would highly recommend it as a solution. Michael David McMillan wrote:

My employer's IT dept, for reasons known only to them, is completely M$-centric, top to bottom -- *everything* is Windows Something, from the top servers to the lowest clients. The only things *not* M$ are a handful of Sun graphics workstations, and occaisionally me. The entire company is based around Outlook, using all the groupware capabilities -- public calenders, centrally administrated address book on the Exchange server, etc. Right now, my only access to my company email is via the Outlook Webmail server, because Outlook wouldn't coexist peacefully with nonstandard software I *had* to have (IT supports cookie-cutter, centrally administrated desktops -- I do field service of industrial equipment with a laptop), and IT "will not support email clients other than Outlook." I'm up for a new laptop soon, and my current plan is to leave IT's Windows setup alone so I can actually use the intranet when needed, and set up a dual-boot with SuSE (probably 9.2 or 9.3 Pro) so I can actually do my job. But, it would be nice if I could get at my email when I'm running SuSE w/o rebooting into WXP, and even nicer if I could use all those little 'extras' that the Outlook users have access to. So, does anyone know a good, proven Open-Source alternative to Outlook that can do what Outlook does?