At 23:55:18 on Sunday Sunday 13 September 2009, Stan Goodman wrote:

...

killall xmms will kill all instances of xmms

For what it's worth, <killall xmms> did nothing, and xmms remained in the Panel. Thinking that repeating this as root might be help, I did so, and now the Panel shows "XMMS[2]", i.e. there are two copies of xmms running, I can't see either of them, and neither of them is functional. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 00:55:49 on Monday Monday 14 September 2009, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Stan Goodman [09-13-09 17:07]:

...

At 23:55:18 on Sunday Sunday 13 September 2009, Stan Goodman

wrote:

...

...

killall xmms will kill all instances of xmms

For what it's worth, <killall xmms> did nothing, and xmms remained in the Panel.

well, what is "the Panel"?

...

Thinking that repeating this as root might be help, I did so, and now the Panel shows "XMMS[2]", i.e. there are two copies of xmms running, I can't see either of them, and neither of them is functional.

did you do: ps aux |grep xmms and see if there was an instance of "xmms" running?

No, because I already knew that there was an instance running.

Don't blame me for not seeing your screen and understanding your terminology. I have no crystal ball. And, I have been unable to *hide* xmms as you described.

Believe it or not, I don't blame anybody, certainly not you, whom I don't know, and who answered my query that I sent off into anonymous cyberspace. I have no ideological or emotional interest in pinning this on anybody, and I don't take malfunctions personally. I am only trying to solve a problem, and to get the system running as it should. Also, I am not in a panic; if this doesn't get straightened out in reasonable time, I will simple wait until installation of the next stable release of openSuSE and start again. In the meantime, I can still listen to the same streams as usual. That I have been "able" to hide xmms and you haven't may or may not be a result of a special talent with which I am endowed. The fact is that what I have described is what is here. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 16:18:30 on Monday Monday 14 September 2009, Robert Cunningham wrote:

Stan Goodman wrote:

...

At 23:55:18 on Sunday Sunday 13 September 2009, Stan Goodman

wrote:

...

...

killall xmms will kill all instances of xmms

For what it's worth, <killall xmms> did nothing, and xmms remained in the Panel. Thinking that repeating this as root might be help, I did so, and now the Panel shows "XMMS[2]", i.e. there are two copies of xmms running, I can't see either of them, and neither of them is functional.

XMMS has done this several times for me as well, it's there just hidden in the background as expanded full screen. I close it out in a round about way but it works for me. I open a super user terminal screen do a ps -lA find the job number of XMMS and the to a kill -9 "job number" then I check to see if it is gone with ps -lA again sometimes it takes a couple of times to kill it

Many thanks. The mere fact that someone else has seen this apparently rare behavior is encouraging. I'll try your procedure. Perhaps its developers may some day get around to finding and fixing the bug. Hopefully, discussion on the forum may increast the probability that they would even know about it.

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; In practice, there is

Robert Cunningham Sr. Physics Laboratory Coordinator /RSO

-- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 19:26:24 on Monday Monday 14 September 2009, Teruel de Campo MD wrote:

On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 00:08 +0300, Stan Goodman wrote:

...

At 23:55:18 on Sunday Sunday 13 September 2009, Stan Goodman

wrote:

...

...

killall xmms will kill all instances of xmms

For what it's worth, <killall xmms> did nothing, and xmms remained in the Panel. Thinking that repeating this as root might be help, I did so, and now the Panel shows "XMMS[2]", i.e. there are two copies of xmms running, I can't see either of them, and neither of them is functional.

Hi Stan,

Hi, Denver...

Try a couple of things:

1. to bring back the window Alt+W to hide it Alt+W

2. to eliminate xmms from the task manager Rmouse/close.

Neither of these did anything. The second, done in a terminal, returns "No such file or directory". When I click on the xmms entry in the panel, I see that this toggles whether the app is minimized or not (whatever "minimized" means in the case of something that is anyway invisible). When this is done, there is an audible response, and the outline of a window flashes across the screen in maybe 0.1sec. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 20:42:49 on Monday Monday 14 September 2009, "Brian K. White" wrote:

Stan Goodman wrote:

...

At 19:26:24 on Monday Monday 14 September 2009, Teruel de Campo MD

wrote:

...

On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 00:08 +0300, Stan Goodman wrote:

...

At 23:55:18 on Sunday Sunday 13 September 2009, Stan Goodman

wrote:

...

...

killall xmms will kill all instances of xmms

For what it's worth, <killall xmms> did nothing, and xmms remained in the Panel. Thinking that repeating this as root might be help, I did so, and now the Panel shows "XMMS[2]", i.e. there are two copies of xmms running, I can't see either of them, and neither of them is functional.

Hi Stan,

Hi, Denver...

...

Try a couple of things:

1. to bring back the window Alt+W to hide it Alt+W

2. to eliminate xmms from the task manager Rmouse/close.

Neither of these did anything. The second, done in a terminal, returns "No such file or directory".

It means right-mouse-click on the xmms tab or tray icon in the task manager, then select "close" from the popup menu. holy cow....

"Right-mouse-click"; I would have written MB2, but then, being left -handed, I'm aware of a more diverse world. Holy cow... In all these years (I have been building and operating computers since before 1950) I have never seen "Rmouse" as a designation for a button. It looks for all the world like the name of a utility. There is a value to uniformity in terminology. It's called "communication". It doesn't remove xmms, by the way. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 22:22:10 on Monday Monday 14 September 2009, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Stan Goodman [09-14-09 14:13]:

...

...

...

...

...

For what it's worth, <killall xmms> did nothing, and xmms remained in the Panel. Thinking that repeating this as root might be help, I did so, and now the Panel shows "XMMS[2]", i.e. there are two copies of xmms running, I can't see either of them, and neither of them is functional.

In all these years (I have been building and operating computers since before 1950) I have never seen "Rmouse" as a designation for a button. It looks for all the world like the name of a utility. There is a value to uniformity in terminology. It's called "communication".

Hummm, it's as good as "the Panel" as descriptions go. But I guess it only works one way, the eye of the viewer. But then again, it was you that wanted help and it is *your* responsibility to make your situation known, if you really want help.

And then there was the comment:

<quote> And then there is always the possibility of asking knowledgeable people on an appropriate forum, who may have experienced the same problem of a deadish xmms themselves and be willing to share. That was my hope, as a matter of fact.

I envy people that have the time to institute an open-ended research program for each and every problem. I doubt that I am the only one that doesn't. </quote>

You have spent more time bantering in this forum than a quick search for your own answers would have taken. :^)

And, your words, you have been building and operating computers since before 1950. That really sounds like a room full of diodes and a lot of heat. But I suspect that you have taken some liberty with dates or you are *really* old. And be careful here because I am somewhat old with some history.

Replace "room full of diodes" with "magnetic core memories" and lots of vacuum tubes and you have it. The date is what it is. Hard to believe? I don't know why you are ridiculing it, technology then was obviously not what it is now. I seem to have pissed you off, mostly because you've have a chip on your shoulder from the first. Sorry. This thread has gone further than it should have; the problem was and is not worth it. Life is really too short. It's over. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 01:03:09 on Tuesday Tuesday 15 September 2009, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Stan Goodman [09-14-09 16:27]:

...

Replace "room full of diodes" with "magnetic core memories" and lots of vacuum tubes and you have it.

Well, when I was a little younger *diodes* were vacuum tubes, consisting of an emmitter and a collector and a lot of heat.

You can't do much computing or anything else with "a bunch of diodes". Switches are done with double triodes, e.g. 6SN7. in the form of flip-flops.

...

The date is what it is. Hard to believe? I don't know why you are ridiculing it, technology then was obviously not what it is now.

obviously. But that would put you in your mid to late 70's provided you were ~18 when you started "building and operating computers" pre 1950.

More. You can find my age on my website, which you can locate through Google. =;-/8

...

I seem to have pissed you off, mostly because you've have a chip on your shoulder from the first.

you cannot and no chip, but perhaps an attitude :^) But then everybody has on of those tooooo.

I would not be proud of it.

...

Sorry.

nope

An entirely unsurprising and typical response.

...

Life is really too short. It's over.

"Over" means OVER. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 13 September 2009 15:55:18 Stan Goodman wrote:

...

rpm -ql <package-name> | grep bin will privide the executable filenames of most packages ... I envy people that have the time to institute an open-ended research

At 23:27:33 on Sunday Sunday 13 September 2009, Patrick Shanahan ... program for each and every problem. I doubt that I am the only one that doesn't.

rpm -ql will provide you with names of all files installed by xmms, and that will reveal configuration files too that you can: - move elsewhere; and try to start xmms with hope it will create defaults - look in; with hope to see some option that keeps xmms in the tray only - compare; use rpm --root /hoome/stan/playground/xmms --install and then compare above IMHO, if nobody answered the question it is polite to propose some course of action, even if not perfect, it is better than to leave poster with a problem alone. -- Regards, Rajko People of openSUSE editor. Latest interviews: http://news.opensuse.org/category/people-of-opensuse/ About us: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Stan Goodman wrote:

At 23:27:33 on Sunday Sunday 13 September 2009, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

...

* Stan Goodman [09-13-09 16:15]:

...

I have been using xmms to listen to an MP3 stream for several years. Clicking on the desired stream always brought up the xmms window, complete with graphical pre-amp controls.

Recently, because there are several buttons on that window whose function was not clear to me, I experimented by clickin one. This caused the xmms window to disappear, and I have never been able to recover it. At the same time, xmms appears in the panel as an active app; just as I can't cause it to display on the Deskktop, I am unable to close it and disappear from the panel.

ps aux | grep xmms will provide the pid of xmms

killall xmms will kill all instances of xmms

kill will kill xmms if you use the pid you find from the earlier cl

...

Since xmms has been doing this disappearing act, opening an audio stream does nothing with FF's Action for PLS files set to xmms. I therefore installed gecko-mediaplayer, and fortunately FF gave me the option of setting Action for PLS streams to that app. The Action for MP3 is still set to xmms, because FF does not offer the option of setting it to gecko-mediaplayer, and I have no clue what the name of the executable of that program might be. (Applications often have obscure names for their executables. It might be helpful if their rpm packages would offer a hint, perhaps within man or info, but they don't.)

well, they really do:

rpm -ql <package-name> | grep bin will privide the executable filenames of most packages

...

Streams still play, apparently through gecko-mediaplayer, but this is not the way things should be. Among other things, I would like to get the pre-amp sliders back.

How can I restore the previous behavior?

And then there is always http://google.com

And then there is always the possibility of asking knowledgeable people on an appropriate forum, who may have experienced the same problem of a deadish xmms themselves and be willing to share. That was my hope, as a matter of fact.

I envy people that have the time to institute an open-ended research program for each and every problem. I doubt that I am the only one that doesn't.

His entirely valid point is that it's selfish to ask other people to tie your shoes for you. Some problems are bizarre, and reasonable googling won't get you an answer, but you can't know that until after you try, and you are obligated to try _first_. In this case, the info is probably already all out there, documented, indexed, waiting to be consulted, merely you would rather waste someone elses time instead of spending your own. This really ticks off the person who knows that the info was there if you had bothered to look. Suppose you took the time to write up a piece of reference, with all the tedious work that implies doing testing and verification, and then no one bothered to look it up? Instead everyone emailed you to make you tell them the same thing over and over personally. Do we get to email you for help with whatever it is you do for a living? Help we may or may not have found ourselves in a few minutes, but we didn't even try? With billions of people on the planet, how could anyone who ever writes a line of code, ever write a second line of code, if they have to spend the rest of their lives explaining the first line because no one bothers to look up the documentation he already wrote about it? That is not what "community support" means. If you did look, but somehow managed to miss the info, or what you found didn't help, then you should have said that, because finding out about a documentation problem is not a waste of others time, and it shows that you tried and are not guilty of the selfish behavior described above. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org