Curtis Rey schrieb:

He's posting on "lx-talk@big7.net". Join us.

Curtis

On Tuesday 26 June 2001 18:33, Patrick Nelson wrote:

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Same here!

Brian Marr wrote: -------------------

I would like to see Freds Posts continue on this list suse-linux-e@suse.com

Cheers

Brian Marr

Well no this time I have to disagree. I do not want to join a list full of discussions around the SHORT POSTS that I loved to read on HERE for ages. I would love the old simple short posts back in here. regardzzzz -- *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ =Oliver@home= *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤

On Saturday 30 June 2001 08:24, Terry Eck wrote:

I'd love to see Fred post on this list also with the understanding that there are no replies, discussion, or comments. Just Fred's post.

I back that up; he could Cc suse-list, whenever he posts to the "discussion" list. Alvaro Novo SuSE 7.1 -=- Kernel 2.4.2-4GB -=- KDE 2.1.1 8:55am up 1 day, 15 min, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

On Saturday 30 June 2001 13:57, Álvaro A. Novo wrote:

On Saturday 30 June 2001 08:24, Terry Eck wrote:

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I'd love to see Fred post on this list also with the understanding that there are no replies, discussion, or comments. Just Fred's post.

I back that up; he could Cc suse-list, whenever he posts to the "discussion" list.

Fred (and quite a few of us) moved to the other list because of the comments of a few on this list. Now there are comments saying that some miss his posts, and want copies. Personally I do not want duplicate messages on two of the lists I subscribe to, and before anyone points out that I do not have to read them, that is exactly the point that was made previously to those who complained and which led to the war of words resulting in the split. Keep to the previously "agreed" policy: no OT postings, and if a thread starts to get out of hand it should move to the other list and/or personal (not list) postings. Terence

On Saturday 30 June 2001 17:37, you wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 17:11:57 +0000

Terence McCarthy wrote:

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Geoff (aka shredni vashtar ;))

Love your AKA- or did you just pick up on the saki@ ? Terence AKA Reginald

As one of the more vocal users on the OT topics, it was decided to move/start a list for OT due to Mads wanting to settle down the # of OT posts. Mads didn't really care about it for much more than the amount of bandwitdh being sucked at a time of the new release and the high demands on the ftp server at SuSE. At this time some of the SuSE list users expressed their dislike of the posts. Frankly, Chris Klippel offered to serve the list and many us that participating in the OT topics on the SuSE list thought it a good idea to move OT to lx-talk to keep the peace. It doesn't really matter to me what list the post comes from - as long as I can get the posts I desire. I still sub to the SuSE list and use it for the technical info. One of the other Lx-Talk users stated that the new list was nice because we can post freely without wondering who might be offended/bothered. I have to agree with this. It is nice to post on a list where no one cares that It is not "on topic". Now, hopefully, this satisifies those how want the OT posts and those that want only SuSE list posts - and then those, like myself, that want both. Just MHO, Cheers. Curtis On Saturday 30 June 2001 12:37, quintaq@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 17:11:57 +0000

Terence McCarthy wrote:

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Fred (and quite a few of us) moved to the other list because of the comments *of a few* on this list.

Just so Terence, and therein lies the problem. I am not blaming the movers (though I said at the time that I thought it would be a pity if they left), but it does seem a little harsh now to criticise those who take leave to regret the change and canvass for its reversal.

Regards,

Geoff (aka shredni vashtar ;))

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Hi All & Ben, hmmm, just caught up with this thread & *gasp-shock-horror* (polite version.) I do not like the "solution" @ all, it is wet. My question is, who the hell hijacked the SuSE list to serve their purposes? Since when has this list been "tech only" talk???? Where is the list of "On Topic Posts?" By whose criteria? Was their a list vote, to determine these criteria? Did Slobodan Milosevic take over this list or is their a new dictator afoot in Europa? ;-) Why not set up a "Tech only" list, so that those who have the suitable austerity of character, can serve this narrow purpose???? Speaking as a Humanistic Hellene, I must recommend a democratic means to solve this one or failing that, just do what I say! ;-) Sigh! *TTFN* Greek Geek We are not amused! -- MPD <snip> Ben Rosenberg wrote:

* Curtis Rey (crrey@home.com) [010630 14:35]: ->As one of the more vocal users on the OT topics, it was decided to move/start ->a list for OT due to Mads wanting to settle down the # of OT posts. Mads ->didn't really care about it for much more than the amount of bandwitdh being ->sucked at a time of the new release and the high demands on the ftp server at ->SuSE. At this time some of the SuSE list users expressed their dislike of ->the posts. Frankly, Chris Klippel offered to serve the list and many us that ->participating in the OT topics on the SuSE list thought it a good idea to ->move OT to lx-talk to keep the peace. It doesn't really matter to me what ->list the post comes from - as long as I can get the posts I desire. I still ->sub to the SuSE list and use it for the technical info. One of the other ->Lx-Talk users stated that the new list was nice because we can post freely ->without wondering who might be offended/bothered. I have to agree with this. ->It is nice to post on a list where no one cares that It is not "on topic". ->Now, hopefully, this satisifies those how want the OT posts and those that ->want only SuSE list posts - and then those, like myself, that want both.

I just think the whole thing is silly. So I procmail both lists in to one folder and read what I wish to read. This whole thing is kind of silly for a 3.5 year on this list prospective. Very silly indeed.

With the acception of bandwidth issues...which (no offense Mads) isn't our problem. The list was never moderated so we have spikes of OT posts...who cares ..big deal. It always quieted down. We've never had a group of users just say fine we do this else where.

I look at the amount of post that lx-talk gets and it's simply tiny compared to this list. *shrug*

Oh well. Thank God for procmail ;) -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- The only argument for the superiority of Windows over UNIX is that General Protection Fault outranks Colonel Panic.

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That pretty much sums up the situation. You and Ben echo my sentiments. It wasn't my idea to move the list. But, since some of the more an*l members seemed to fixate on the issue I personally signed up for the other list just to shut up the "I want SuSE only" crowd (who by the way blew the OT post number out of the water with "I don't like OT" post - It just went on and on and on.....). I like the list for one overridding reason - the cry babies can't cry about this anymore. I'm sure that they'll soon find something else to whine about. There are always one or two in a crowd that have to have things defined by a strict interpretation or that become very rattled and threatened. So, move the list, and it takes the wind out of their sails.

Cheers Curtis (aka flamebait)

On Saturday 30 June 2001 17:56, Greek Geek wrote:

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Hi All & Ben,

hmmm, just caught up with this thread & *gasp-shock-horror* (polite version.)

I do not like the "solution" @ all, it is wet.

My question is, who the hell hijacked the SuSE list to serve their purposes?

Since when has this list been "tech only" talk????

Where is the list of "On Topic Posts?"

By whose criteria?

Was their a list vote, to determine these criteria?

Did Slobodan Milosevic take over this list or is their a new dictator afoot in Europa? ;-)

Why not set up a "Tech only" list, so that those who have the suitable austerity of character, can serve this narrow purpose????

Speaking as a Humanistic Hellene, I must recommend a democratic means to solve this one or failing that, just do what I say! ;-)

Sigh!

*TTFN*

Greek Geek

We are not amused! -- MPD

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Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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* Curtis Rey (crrey@home.com) [010630 14:35]: ->As one of the more vocal users on the OT topics, it was decided to move/start ->a list for OT due to Mads wanting to settle down the # of OT posts. Mads ->didn't really care about it for much more than the amount of bandwitdh being ->sucked at a time of the new release and the high demands on the ftp server at ->SuSE. At this time some of the SuSE

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users expressed their dislike of ->the posts. Frankly, Chris Klippel offered to serve the list and many us that ->participating in the OT topics on the SuSE list thought it a good idea to ->move OT to lx-talk to keep the peace. It doesn't really matter to me what ->list the post comes from - as long as I can get the posts I desire. I still ->sub to the SuSE list and use it for the technical info. One of the other ->Lx-Talk users stated that the new list was nice because we can post freely ->without wondering who might be offended/bothered. I have to agree with this. ->It is nice to post on a list where no one cares

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It is not "on topic". ->Now, hopefully, this satisifies those how want the OT posts and those that ->want only SuSE list posts - and then

Maybe next time them ana*l members will think before they speak. it's their loss not ours. Their Knowledge base will expand no further than the SuSE list. Hard Headed people do not learn as quickly as those who have an open mind. David M. list that those,

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like myself, that want both.

I just think the whole thing is silly. So I procmail both lists in to one folder and read what I wish to read. This whole thing is kind of silly for a 3.5 year on this list prospective. Very silly indeed.

With the acception of bandwidth issues...which (no offense Mads) isn't our problem. The list was never moderated so we have spikes of OT posts...who cares ..big deal. It always quieted down. We've never had a group of users just say fine we do this else where.

I look at the amount of post that lx-talk gets and it's simply tiny compared to this list. *shrug*

Oh well. Thank God for procmail ;) -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- The only argument for the superiority of Windows over UNIX is that General Protection Fault outranks Colonel Panic.

<snip>

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Hello Greek Geek, Yes, as I have wrily ;) pointed out, bandwidth considerations rapidly become absurd when, I guess, the total bandwidth consumed by OT posts in a year has by now been surpassed by this absurd and protracted discussion about the OT posts. Not to mention the distributed inefficiency of annoyance and consternation. The solution was precipitate and draconian, perhaps, but there you have it. The most we can do now is revel in the absurdity of continued discussion of the issue. An absurdity which you and I have just amplified. ;) Corvin -- Corvin Russell

Phil Shrimpton wrote:

The 7.2 upgrade went like a dream, apart from a couple of issues...

1) Samba : My Windows boxes show the shares, but when trying to access them I get a error showing 'incorrect username and/or password'.

This may help you, as root: # smbpasswd -a phil (set your password) # smbpasswd -U phil (set the same passwd) On your windows login, use the password you set in the linux box. I'm not really sure if this correct, but in my case I have access to the shares. My problem is: I've a printer attached to my linux box (using cups), I made it available as a samba share. On the win98 box, I see the printer, but when I try to set it up, I get an error message saying it is offline. However, I've a win98 running under vmware on the linux box, I've no problem setting the printer in there, it works fine. It seems problem with the win98 box. Is there a way to troubleshoot this? -- Rafael

On Saturday 30 June 2001 10:28 pm, Phil Shrimpton wrote:

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From: Rafael Herrera

Hi,

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1) Samba : My Windows boxes show the shares, but when trying to

access them

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I get a error showing 'incorrect username and/or password'.

This may help you, as root:

# smbpasswd -a phil (set your password) # smbpasswd -U phil (set the same passwd)

Thanks, works fine. I can't remember having to do this in previous upgrades to SuSE and/or Samba.

Cheers

Phil

It's because M$ decided that passwords transmitted in cleartext over a network was a bad idea. They were right, for a change. This basically means that you have to encrypt your SMB password so that you can log in properly. Glad to hear that you are up and running :) -Steven

From: Lenz Grimmer

Hi,

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2) POP3 server : When trying to collect mail from my windows machines I get "The TCP/IP connection was unexpectedly terminated by the server (account='phil' pop3 server='fred' error number =0x8000ccc0f)"

Is inetd installed and running?

Yes.

If yes - is there an active entry for pop3 in /etc/inetd.conf?

Yes.

Is the pop3 server package installed?

inetd.conf entry points to /usr/sbin/popper -s But it seams after the 7.2 upgrade, popper is no longer in /usr/sbin/ and I can find it on the CD's. I can find qpopper, should I use that instead? Cheers Phil

Hi Greek Geek,

hmmm, just caught up with this thread & *gasp-shock-horror* (polite version.)

:-) Well, since I suspect you must have missed the OT discussion about OT posts a week or two a go, let me mention that the new LinuX-Talk mailing list is located at lx-talk@big7.net . Hopefully, any and all who enjoyed OT posts will sign up (including "lurkers") so that we can leave those who can _only_ talk specifically about SuSE technical issues to their discussions. I suspect they will eventually realize that even they miss this stuff that made SLE so lively.

Why not set up a "Tech only" list, so that those who have the suitable austerity of character, can serve this narrow purpose????

That would make more sense - the majority seems to like SLE the way it was, versus the small minority who didn't. Why the majority ended up having to move part of their dicussion over to lx-talk doesn't make sense. C'mon, it wasn't even close enough that the U.S. electorial system would have given the minority the win (btw, I _like_ that system)! -Tim -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ============== "Information Powered by Innovation" ==============

On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 06:57:29AM +0000, Nick Zentena wrote:

What will likely happen is sooner or later people will start posting the exact same stuff that has always been posted. So instead of having it posted to one mailing list it will be going to two. Spliting a list in two rarely splits the volume. I'll bet within three months the total amount of messages will be higher then before. At least until somebody complains about the OT posts and the volume spikes again. Somebody really should ban complaints about OT posts they waste too much bandwidth.

Nick

I fully agree with you Nick. :D -- Corvin Russell

Terence McCarthy wrote: Dear SuSE List: Being a silent one on this list since 5.3, one possible solution could be to email Fred privately; be added as a c.c. to his postings, that way you wouldn't have to be subscribed to the other list. I'm sure Fred wouldn't mind...right Fred? HTH, /John

On Saturday 30 June 2001 13:57, Álvaro A. Novo wrote:

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On Saturday 30 June 2001 08:24, Terry Eck wrote:

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I'd love to see Fred post on this list also with the understanding that there are no replies, discussion, or comments. Just Fred's post.

I back that up; he could Cc suse-list, whenever he posts to the "discussion" list.

Fred (and quite a few of us) moved to the other list because of the comments of a few on this list.

Now there are comments saying that some miss his posts, and want copies.

Personally I do not want duplicate messages on two of the lists I subscribe to, and before anyone points out that I do not have to read them, that is exactly the point that was made previously to those who complained and which led to the war of words resulting in the split.

Keep to the previously "agreed" policy: no OT postings, and if a thread starts to get out of hand it should move to the other list and/or personal (not list) postings.

Terence

Terence McCarthy wrote: Dear SuSE List: Being a silent one on this list since 5.3, one possible solution could be to email Fred privately and be added as a c.c. to his postings, that way you wouldn't have to be subscribed to the other list. I'm sure Fred wouldn't mind...right Fred? HTH, /John

On Saturday 30 June 2001 13:57, Álvaro A. Novo wrote:

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On Saturday 30 June 2001 08:24, Terry Eck wrote:

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I'd love to see Fred post on this list also with the understanding that there are no replies, discussion, or comments. Just Fred's post.

I back that up; he could Cc suse-list, whenever he posts to the "discussion" list.

Fred (and quite a few of us) moved to the other list because of the comments of a few on this list.

Now there are comments saying that some miss his posts, and want copies.

Personally I do not want duplicate messages on two of the lists I subscribe to, and before anyone points out that I do not have to read them, that is exactly the point that was made previously to those who complained and which led to the war of words resulting in the split.

Keep to the previously "agreed" policy: no OT postings, and if a thread starts to get out of hand it should move to the other list and/or personal (not list) postings.

Terence