It can't be that easy. After pulling my hair out for weeks with another distro I installed Suse 8.0 today and had the machine running in under an hour. You're kidding, right? It can't be this easy. I might have a social life after all? Now for the real question. I have a 8.0 box set here, but want to get 8.1 when it hits my Best Buy store so what has been the experience of the group with upgrades? Better to start with a fresh install and keep /home directories or safe to upgrade over 8? Thanks in advance. -Scott --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002
Fresh is the way to go. You could try upgrade, maybe you'll get lucky, but I don't know of anyone who has. chris -----Original Message----- From: Scott St. John [mailto:scott@scottah.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:09 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: [SLE] you're kidding It can't be that easy. After pulling my hair out for weeks with another distro I installed Suse 8.0 today and had the machine running in under an hour. You're kidding, right? It can't be this easy. I might have a social life after all? Now for the real question. I have a 8.0 box set here, but want to get 8.1 when it hits my Best Buy store so what has been the experience of the group with upgrades? Better to start with a fresh install and keep /home directories or safe to upgrade over 8? Thanks in advance. -Scott
On Tuesday 08 October 2002 19:29, Chris Geske wrote:
Fresh is the way to go. You could try upgrade, maybe you'll get lucky, but I don't know of anyone who has.
But, and this is the crucial thing, whether you choose to upgrade or start the install from scratch - *always* back up as much stuff as possible before you do anything. I make a point of backing up all of /etc every time I install a new version - by and large, config files don't change that much between versions, and it saves an endless amount of config hassle being able to plonk the old config files back down if you lose them in the upgrade. (Of course, this is fairly basic-level advice, but I didn't see anyone else making it, so I thought it ought to be made!) cheers, Gideon.
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:52:19 +0000
Gideon Hallett
(Of course, this is fairly basic-level advice, but I didn't see anyone else making it, so I thought it ought to be made!)
Someone over the last weekend reported that their upgrade from 8.0 to 8.1 went super-smooth, it wasn't me :-) Of course I was going from 7.2. -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation
* zentara (zentara@zentara.net) [021008 13:36]:
::On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:52:19 +0000
::Gideon Hallett
On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 16:44, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
Yesterday I upgraded my office workstation from 8.0 to 8.1 and it went very smooth. I just replaced Mozilla after then upgrade and all is well.
I however did a fresh install of 8.1 lastnight at home. The keramik and liquid window decorations still don't work and they are installed. And I was bouncing around in YaST2 lastnight checking out the new stuff and when I was looking at the timezone module the machine froze tight. I guess it's an X issue..but I can't find any error in the logs for any problem. It's quite disheartening. *shrug* Guess all these intuitive GUI enhancements are quickly bringing Linux into the realm of Windows stability. *shrug*
Ben, I hope you are kidding about the *shrug*. I don't accept that Linux is destined to become as bloated and unstable as Windows. Hard freezes in Windows are one of the reasons I started using Linux to begin with. If fast upgrade cycles and feature happy projects create a mess, I'll walk away from it. I think for the first time since SuSE 6.2, I'll wait on upgrading my SuSE version for a while. I'm seriously bummed. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ Sing blue silver Got spam? Get spastic http://spastic.sourceforge.net
* Keith Winston (kwinston@twmi.rr.com) [021008 15:57]: :: ::Ben, I hope you are kidding about the *shrug*. I don't accept that ::Linux is destined to become as bloated and unstable as Windows. Hard ::freezes in Windows are one of the reasons I started using Linux to begin ::with. If fast upgrade cycles and feature happy projects create a mess, ::I'll walk away from it. :: ::I think for the first time since SuSE 6.2, I'll wait on upgrading my ::SuSE version for a while. I'm seriously bummed. Well, I've tried everything I can think of to get this stable. A fresh install should have left me with workable Keramik and Liquid themes since they are installed. There aren't any 8.0 bit's laying around to interfere. I've reset the bios to the defaults. Done a fresh install and still I got a freeze 4 hours after it was done installing. This same machine worked just fine with 8.0 for 3 weeks. As I said. My root drive died so I had to go to 8.0 before 8.1 was out. I don't know. This latest freeze could be a YaST2 thing..who knows...8.0 could have also been more stable because it had 100's of megs of fixes out by the time I installed it. This however is fresh and with many new features and variables. I just don't know. The *shrug* was because I get a lot "works fine for me". I don't know. I guess I'm just frustrated...and yes, I came to Linux for the same reasons you did. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
::I think for the first time since SuSE 6.2, I'll wait on upgrading my ::SuSE version for a while. I'm seriously bummed.
I simply must advocate SuSE 8.0 here. Sitting with a pure FTP installation on my office workstation, I have practically kicked my machine as mercilessly as kids kick the pet dogs. I have tweaked enough features, changed dates and timezones, fonts and other things. Used N web-browsers at the same time. I am yet to experience a freeze right from the first boot. May be it is something else? I find this - fresh installs, done one time with dependencies satisfied, are the best way to go. Rohit PS - It is not all hunky-dori for me too. The issue I face is that my soundcard [ISA PnP] is not working, which could be because the card has turned bad after 3 years of service. It gives funny noises with windows too. But I am trying to make it work in Linux rather than watching a power-point presentation of DVD-rip DivXs in Windows media player. -- (+91-22-692) 2101 D2, floor-3, Chand : SE : TLSI : 3578 SuSE 8.0 2.4-18-4GB on i686 : sendmail-8.9.3-42 : pine-4.44-121 rohit.sharma@iitbombay.org [maximus_two@yahoo.com] 9821394599@bplmobile.com ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com
Fresh is the way to go. You could try upgrade, maybe you'll get lucky, but I don't know of anyone who has.
You do now! I upgraded my laptop from 8.0 to 8.1 and it was smooth and easy. One small tweak to the APM stuff, and it's been running flawlessly ever since. -- 8:34am up 7 days, 1:09, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.12, 0.09
Hi, Normally I am a fan of doing fresh installs (due to very bad experiences with RedHat in the past), but I must say SuSE have managed to make upgrading from distro to another quite painless. This is my scenario. Work: 2 x Linux Servers (A firewall, and a SMS server with Big Brother) that provide Critical Business services. 1 x Linux Desktop 1 x Linux Laptop (My own property so it goes home with me). Home: 2 x Linux Servers (Basically a PDC and a Source Code repository, and my Quake2 and Quake3 servers ;)). 2 x Linux Desktops. Now normally I do fresh installs on my desktops and my laptop, because it forces me to clean up the hardrives and archive all the normall stuff that accumulates on a machine that you work with daily. The servers however are a different story, my servers at home I re-install because once again I can clean up old code and archive to 4mm DAT whatever I don't use anymore. The servers at the office basically have a 24x7x365 service offering, so re-installing from scratch is not an option. We use the upgrade facility here (albeit there is no KDE and other stuff on these machines so upgrading is extremely painless), we upgraded our firewall and sms server to SuSE 8.0 a while ago (no upgrade to 8.1 because things take time to get to South Africa) and then machine has continued to perform since then. In my personal experience I would do an upgrade on machines without X and KDE, etc, as there is less of a chance of things going wrong. Do fresh installs on machines with X and stuff like that, although on the odd occassion I have done an upgrade on desktops and it has been extremely painless. In the end it is entirely up to you on wether you perform an upgrade or fresh install, I have experienced all of the possible scenarios and I definitely congratulate SuSE on an awesome product. Hope this information helps. Q On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 21:08, Scott St. John wrote:
It can't be that easy. After pulling my hair out for weeks with another distro I installed Suse 8.0 today and had the machine running in under an hour. You're kidding, right? It can't be this easy. I might have a social life after all?
Now for the real question. I have a 8.0 box set here, but want to get 8.1 when it hits my Best Buy store so what has been the experience of the group with upgrades? Better to start with a fresh install and keep /home directories or safe to upgrade over 8?
Thanks in advance.
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Hehe, was going to upgrade server tonight, but wife was on the Internet and well, didn't get to till late last night, and did not feel up to that experience (think I must be getting olde!). Anyone here using SuSE Linux for any game servers, other than Quake? Have my 8.0 server ready to go with Never Winter Nights...But also took the time to try the demo of unreal tournament 2003 :). Linux has become so serious of late... Matt On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 21:50, Quinton Delpeche wrote:
Hi,
Normally I am a fan of doing fresh installs (due to very bad experiences with RedHat in the past), but I must say SuSE have managed to make upgrading from distro to another quite painless.
This is my scenario. Work: 2 x Linux Servers (A firewall, and a SMS server with Big Brother) that provide Critical Business services. 1 x Linux Desktop 1 x Linux Laptop (My own property so it goes home with me).
Home: 2 x Linux Servers (Basically a PDC and a Source Code repository, and my Quake2 and Quake3 servers ;)). 2 x Linux Desktops.
Now normally I do fresh installs on my desktops and my laptop, because it forces me to clean up the hardrives and archive all the normall stuff that accumulates on a machine that you work with daily.
The servers however are a different story, my servers at home I re-install because once again I can clean up old code and archive to 4mm DAT whatever I don't use anymore.
The servers at the office basically have a 24x7x365 service offering, so re-installing from scratch is not an option. We use the upgrade facility here (albeit there is no KDE and other stuff on these machines so upgrading is extremely painless), we upgraded our firewall and sms server to SuSE 8.0 a while ago (no upgrade to 8.1 because things take time to get to South Africa) and then machine has continued to perform since then.
In my personal experience I would do an upgrade on machines without X and KDE, etc, as there is less of a chance of things going wrong.
Do fresh installs on machines with X and stuff like that, although on the odd occassion I have done an upgrade on desktops and it has been extremely painless.
In the end it is entirely up to you on wether you perform an upgrade or fresh install, I have experienced all of the possible scenarios and I definitely congratulate SuSE on an awesome product.
Hope this information helps. Q
On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 21:08, Scott St. John wrote:
It can't be that easy. After pulling my hair out for weeks with another distro I installed Suse 8.0 today and had the machine running in under an hour. You're kidding, right? It can't be this easy. I might have a social life after all?
Now for the real question. I have a 8.0 box set here, but want to get 8.1 when it hits my Best Buy store so what has been the experience of the group with upgrades? Better to start with a fresh install and keep /home directories or safe to upgrade over 8?
Thanks in advance.
-Scott ----
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My 8.1 has not yet arrived. Does Yast2 permit one to do selective
upgrades, viz., everything except X and KDE on machines which have
these already installed? (One might subsequently use rpm to upgrade
KDE and X, as desired.)
jim
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