Is anyone actively using this web browser? If you are, how well do you know it? What is your opinion of it? What would I get over and above the free version (other than lack of advertising bar) if I pay $39 for it? Thanks Jack -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
On Friday 18 June 2004 15:52, Brooks wrote:
Is anyone actively using this web browser? If you are, how well do you know it? What is your opinion of it? What would I get over and above the free version (other than lack of advertising bar) if I pay $39 for it?
I use Opera since version 3.6. ( probably 4 years now). It is the best I have ever come across to and I have never ever regret it to pay for this program. It is just so damned good that when ever you use an other browser you can't wait to go back to it. When you pay your fee the banner disappears and that's about the only change. But your fee pays for the program etc etc, like when you order the SUSE box with the Cd's. Again this is one payment I never regretted. -- Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors."
On Fri June 18 2004 7:52 pm, Brooks wrote:
Is anyone actively using this web browser?
I use version 7.50, usually have 6 windows open w/ around 140 separate tabs. Opening this many webpages takes quite awhile but once loaded it saves me time by not having to search bookmarks. Opera has worked quite well, most of my banking and credit card sites work fine, I have had issues w/ some streaming video sites in the past but since I don't use that feature much I don't know if the problems still exist. Occasionally I will go to the desktop where I keep all of my Opera windows and find that it has closed up shop, don't know why, its not frequent enough to bug me. Also I find the Operamotifewrapper stays active (and uses a little cpu time) after all 6 windows have loaded. I can kill this process with kde system guard w/ no apparent ill effect to opera
What is your opinion of it?
It's one of my 4 favorite browsers, and the most frequently used except for Konqueror
What would I get over and above the free version (other than lack of advertising bar) if I pay $39 for it?
Thats it as far as I can tell. BTW I use the text advertising (targeted) option, this is really not obtrusive at all and the adds are actually things I "Might" be interested in. HTH -- dh Don't shop at ZipZoomFly.com!
On Friday 18 June 2004 09:52 pm, Brooks wrote:
Is anyone actively using this web browser? If you are, how well do you know it? What is your opinion of it? What would I get over and above the free version (other than lack of advertising bar) if I pay $39 for it?
Thanks
Jack
-- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
I have been using Opera since if first came out back in the early days of OS2. No it wasnt available for OS2 then but it worked wonders on Windows because it was much faster and when you're using the old 2400 modems, it made a big difference. Right now I'm using the 7.5 version and will continue to use any newer versions that come out. Like Bill said, the difference between the free and pay version is primarily the ads which I detest. But paying for it keeps the development going and is worth it for me. Much like the reason I buy the Suse distro. Of course my original cost was some $35 US, but upgrades since have been $15 or 20 bucks which is a drop in the bucket nowadays. How else are we going to encourage people to develop good software? Richard
Thanks for the feedback, guys. So, I guess my next question would be: how do you think it compares to Firefox + Thunderbird? Outside of the fact that the email seems imbedded in Opera, is there anything to distinguish it from Ff and Tb (those are what I'm using now)?
On Friday 18 June 2004 18:04, Brooks wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, guys. So, I guess my next question would be: how do you think it compares to Firefox + Thunderbird? Outside of the fact that the email seems imbedded in Opera, is there anything to distinguish it from Ff and Tb (those are what I'm using now)?
Brooks, it is up to you to decide what program to use and we are not here to sell you one. Try it out , have a look at http://my.opera.com/community/tips/. Also remember ( if you didn't know already) that all the nice things in Thunder and Fire like blocking popups and Tabs and Mouse gestures were invented and used by Opera way and way before ANY other browser thought of using that. What means that Opera is way ahead of the competition and when you use 7.51 you will notice that. Sorry if I get a bit lyrish here but I consider myself Opera's no1 supporter :-) -- Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors."
Brooks, it is up to you to decide what program to use and we are not here to
sell you one. Try it out , have a look at http://my.opera.com/community/tips/.
I'm not asking you to "sell it" to me; I'm just trying to get a feel for what people have learned about it. Who better to ask than those who have experience? If you don't want to tell me a little about it's positives and negatives, that's fine. I am trying it out.
What means that Opera is way ahead of the competition and when you use 7.51 you will notice that.
I does seem to have some good things going for it, but it doesn't show pictures as well as firefox. Normal pictures, like on cnn.com are kind of fuzzy where they aren't in Firefox. Just something I've noticed in the preliminary. However, it handles shockwave sites much more fluidly than Firefox (e.g., www.nickelodeon.com), and it is noticeably faster on loading pages.
Sorry if I get a bit lyrish here but I consider myself Opera's no1 supporter :-)
That's fine.
I does seem to have some good things going for it, but it doesn't show pictures as well as firefox. Normal pictures, like on cnn.com are kind of fuzzy where they aren't in Firefox. Are you running pages on 100% size? I've noticed that when I zoom it up, the
On Saturday 19 June 2004 08:04, Brooks wrote: pictures and fonts get that funny edge to it. I'm not sure if this is an inherent Opera problem, or just something wrong in my setup. Doesn't look as good as in Firefox, but as I mentioned in my other post, it does scale pages better. -- Kind regards Hans du Plooy Newington Consulting Services hansdp at newingtoncs dot co dot za
On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 05:52, Hans du Plooy wrote:
I does seem to have some good things going for it, but it doesn't show pictures as well as firefox. Normal pictures, like on cnn.com are kind of fuzzy where they aren't in Firefox. Are you running pages on 100% size? I've noticed that when I zoom it up, the
On Saturday 19 June 2004 08:04, Brooks wrote: pictures and fonts get that funny edge to it. I'm not sure if this is an inherent Opera problem, or just something wrong in my setup. Doesn't look as good as in Firefox, but as I mentioned in my other post, it does scale pages better.
I think the font size being small has something to do with our settings in Linux, my wife visits some of the same sites using Opera in Windows and reports that the font size is larger. Mike
On Saturday 19 June 2004 15:41, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 05:52, Hans du Plooy wrote:
On Saturday 19 June 2004 08:04, Brooks wrote:
I does seem to have some good things going for it, but it doesn't show pictures as well as firefox. Normal pictures, like on cnn.com are kind of fuzzy where they aren't in Firefox.
Are you running pages on 100% size? I've noticed that when I zoom it up, the pictures and fonts get that funny edge to it.
Well I just zoomed some pages up to 180% and it went well. Of course if the photo's are not clear enough the picture will not look great if you enlarge it, but this has nothing to do with Opera of course. Anyway you can't even do this in any other browser(AFAIK), enlarge the text and pictures at the same time by just hitting the + key and go back to the original by hitting *.
I'm not sure if this is an inherent Opera problem, or just something wrong in my setup. Doesn't look as good as in Firefox, but as I mentioned in my other post, it does scale pages better.
I think the font size being small has something to do with our settings in Linux, my wife visits some of the same sites using Opera in Windows and reports that the font size is larger.
Have a look what type and fonts etc you're using in Windows and compare it with your Linux ones. if your fonts etc are different then indeed it is Linux and not Opera. -- Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors."
On Sunday 20 June 2004 04:41, Mike McMullin wrote:
I think the font size being small has something to do with our settings in Linux, my wife visits some of the same sites using Opera in Windows and reports that the font size is larger.
Yes, that's something that grates me immensely. And it's not just the fonts, it's all the content on the web page. Why does browsers in linux render stuff so small by default. If I leave them on default settins, both Opera and Mozilla in Windows render the fonts and pictures in a size that's small, but just comfortable for me to read. In linux, I always have to enlarge it two or three notches. I realise the default size might be OK for some people, but that's not the point. The point is that the default size of anything about the browsers (even the font of the menu bar at the top - we've been through this a couple of times) is just so damn small in linux. But that's not my problem with Opera. The problem there is that when you enlarge the page, all of a sudden the fonts and pictures look terrible. Wish I knew why. -- Kind regards Hans du Plooy Newington Consulting Services hansdp at newingtoncs dot co dot za
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:52:14 -1100
Bill Wisse
What means that Opera is way ahead of the competition and when you use 7.51 you will notice that.
Is there a 64bit version? -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/
At 06:52 PM 18/06/2004, Bill Wisse wrote:
On Friday 18 June 2004 18:04, Brooks wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, guys. So, I guess my next question would be: how do you think it compares to Firefox + Thunderbird? Outside of the fact that the email seems imbedded in Opera, is there anything to distinguish it from Ff and Tb (those are what I'm using now)?
Brooks, it is up to you to decide what program to use and we are not here to sell you one. Try it out , have a look at http://my.opera.com/community/tips/. Also remember ( if you didn't know already) that all the nice things in Thunder and Fire like blocking popups and Tabs and Mouse gestures were invented and used by Opera way and way before ANY other browser thought of using that. What means that Opera is way ahead of the competition and when you use 7.51 you will notice that.
Sorry if I get a bit lyrish here but I consider myself Opera's no1 supporter :-)
The other thing you can think of is that it looks the same on Windows | Linux | Mac | OS/2 | Solaris | FreeBSD | QNX | Smartphone/PDA (almost) Desktops, and it's fast. I'm Opera's No.! Supporter :-)) scsijon
On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 23:34, Richard Atcheson wrote:
On Friday 18 June 2004 09:52 pm, Brooks wrote:
Is anyone actively using this web browser? If you are, how well do you know it? What is your opinion of it? What would I get over and above the free version (other than lack of advertising bar) if I pay $39 for it?
Thanks
Jack
-- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
I have been using Opera since if first came out back in the early days of OS2. No it wasnt available for OS2 then but it worked wonders on Windows because it was much faster and when you're using the old 2400 modems, it made a big difference.
Right now I'm using the 7.5 version and will continue to use any newer versions that come out. Like Bill said, the difference between the free and pay version is primarily the ads which I detest. But paying for it keeps the development going and is worth it for me. Much like the reason I buy the Suse distro.
Of course my original cost was some $35 US, but upgrades since have been $15 or 20 bucks which is a drop in the bucket nowadays. How else are we going to encourage people to develop good software?
Richard, is this a per site non-business registration or a per copy registration? Mike
On Saturday 19 June 2004 09:33 pm, Mike McMullin wrote:
Richard, is this a per site non-business registration or a per copy registration?
It's officially a per copy non-business license. But the license isn't machine or suer specific so it will work on anything you stick it on. If you're doing a company wide install it would be nice of your company to pay the proper tab but the BSA isnt gonna come around with the Marshalls to shut you down. Only your conscience will bother you. But you will enjoy using it! I last paid for an upgrade for Version 6 and that was good for all of ver7 too. So when 8 comes out I will gladly pay the miniscule upgrade cost. ra
On Saturday 19 June 2004 21:30, Richard Atcheson wrote:
On Saturday 19 June 2004 09:33 pm, Mike McMullin wrote:
Richard, is this a per site non-business registration or a per copy registration?
It's officially a per copy non-business license. But the license isn't machine or suer specific so it will work on anything you stick it on. If you're doing a company wide install it would be nice of your company to pay the proper tab but the BSA isnt gonna come around with the Marshalls to shut you down. Only your conscience will bother you.
Just go get it and install it in non-paid mode. Try it out for a while. You will like it. Its it better than Kong, and Mozilla, and FireFox? Not totally but its pretty nice. And you can try it out for free, so stop dithering about it folks, just go download and install. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Saturday 19 June 2004 04:52, Brooks wrote:
Is anyone actively using this web browser? If you are, how well do you know it? What is your opinion of it? What would I get over and above the free version (other than lack of advertising bar) if I pay $39 for it?
I think the only difference is the ads, for the user. Makes a difference for the developers though. But there are two features of Opera that I like immensely: 1. If you have multiple tabs open, and you close the browser, next time you open you have the option of "resume where you stopped" so all those pages would be loaded instantly. 2. I generally can't reed the fonts in their default sizes in 1024x768 on anything smaller than a 17" screen. It's just too small. So I always have to enlarge the fonts (ctrl++ in Moz) three or so notches. This seriously screws up some pages, because the pictures, stay the same size. In opera you can set the size of the page (in %) and it scales everything. The pictures, flash animations, everything, so your page stays fine. Try it. If you like it, buy it. It's definitely on my "to buy" list. -- Kind regards Hans du Plooy Newington Consulting Services hansdp at newingtoncs dot co dot za
I also do use Opera because of its functionality, as Nick Mudge wrote. It keeps a long track of your history, stores your passwords, fills in your personal informations, and, most practical, it has mouse gestures. That means, you can open, close, multiply windows with only a small move of your mouse. Besides, mouse gestures allow you to go back or forward in history with one move of mouse. There are also some shortcuts for doing sll these things. That makes surfing very quick, easy and comfortable. In version 7.50 (Linux), I only miss the integrated mail client (still included in Opera 7.23 and in the 7.50 Windows version). I highly recommend Opera to everyone! Laurent On Saturday 19 June 2004 04:52, Brooks wrote:
Is anyone actively using this web browser? If you are, how well do you know it? What is your opinion of it? What would I get over and above the free version (other than lack of advertising bar) if I pay $39 for it?
Thanks
Jack
-- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
-- Linux is like an indian tent: no Windows, no Gates and an Apache inside
Laurent wrote:
In version 7.50 (Linux), I only miss the integrated mail client (still included in Opera 7.23 and in the 7.50 Windows version).
I downloaded and installed v7.51 on SuSE 9.1 and it has the integrated mail client. You might give a look to the latest version on their site. Jack
On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 19:51, Laurent wrote:
In version 7.50 (Linux), I only miss the integrated mail client (still included in Opera 7.23 and in the 7.50 Windows version).
Opera 7.5x (Linux) has the integrated mail client. Maybe you just have it turned off, try "Preferences -> Email -> Use Opera". Dave -- Registered Linux User #288562 http://counter.li.org
I do have Opera 7.51 (freshly updated), but in the Preferences, the checkbox for setting "Use Opera" as Mail client is unavailable... ?? Would it solve the problem, if I download and manually install the package from www.opera.com ? Laurent On Sunday 20 June 2004 05:24, Dave Barton wrote:
On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 19:51, Laurent wrote:
In version 7.50 (Linux), I only miss the integrated mail client (still included in Opera 7.23 and in the 7.50 Windows version).
Opera 7.5x (Linux) has the integrated mail client. Maybe you just have it turned off, try "Preferences -> Email -> Use Opera".
Dave -- Registered Linux User #288562 http://counter.li.org
-- Linux is like an indian tent: no Windows, no Gates and an Apache inside
On Sunday 20 June 2004 11:17, Laurent wrote:
I do have Opera 7.51 (freshly updated), but in the Preferences, the checkbox for setting "Use Opera" as Mail client is unavailable... ?? Would it solve the problem, if I download and manually install the package from www.opera.com ?
I have heard that before but didn't pay to much attention because I don't use the mail client. If you not getting any answer here try opera-linux@opera.com. -- Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors."
On Monday 21 June 2004 00:17, Laurent wrote:
I do have Opera 7.51 (freshly updated), but in the Preferences, the checkbox for setting "Use Opera" as Mail client is unavailable... ?? Would it solve the problem, if I download and manually install the package from www.opera.com ?
Try hitting F4 -this gives you that bar on the left, and you can click on mail Greetings Hans
On Sunday 20 June 2004 13:28, H du Plooy wrote:
On Monday 21 June 2004 00:17, Laurent wrote:
I do have Opera 7.51 (freshly updated), but in the Preferences, the checkbox for setting "Use Opera" as Mail client is unavailable... ?? Would it solve the problem, if I download and manually install the package from www.opera.com ?
Try hitting F4 -this gives you that bar on the left, and you can click on mail
IIRC this was also suggested to the person who had the same problem as well, but it didn't help. Something else was required but I can't remember what. Old age :-)!!! -- Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors."
On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 15:17, Laurent wrote:
I do have Opera 7.51 (freshly updated), but in the Preferences, the checkbox for setting "Use Opera" as Mail client is unavailable... ?? Would it solve the problem, if I download and manually install the package from www.opera.com ?
Laurent
Which of the seven downloads did you use for Suse? CWSIV
I did download Opera 7.51 by Yast Online Update... Must be an rpm without Java (?). I thought of downloading from www.opera.com, but didn't do it to this day. Laurent On Monday 21 June 2004 06:40, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:
On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 15:17, Laurent wrote:
I do have Opera 7.51 (freshly updated), but in the Preferences, the checkbox for setting "Use Opera" as Mail client is unavailable... ?? Would it solve the problem, if I download and manually install the package from www.opera.com ?
Laurent
Which of the seven downloads did you use for Suse?
CWSIV
-- Linux is like an indian tent: no Windows, no Gates and an Apache inside
On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 22:52, Brooks wrote:
Is anyone actively using this web browser? If you are, how well do you know it? What is your opinion of it? What would I get over and above the free version (other than lack of advertising bar) if I pay $39 for it?
We, being those in this house actively use Opera. In fact of the browsers available for use i.e. IE, Mozilla, Konqueror, Netscape, and Opera, Opera is the most used. I hope for the 39 dollars, you at least get a printed manual. Mike
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