I want to buy a new additional drive. I have always used Maxtor in the past. They seem a bit noisy, but reliability has been good so far. I also have used a Western Digital drive but it was even noisier than the Maxtors. Plus, the device I had it on burned out shortly after I installed it (maybe just a coincidence, but I don't know). Anyone care to recommend either of these or maybe some other brand? Thanks, Greg Wallace
Greg Wallace wrote:
I want to buy a new additional drive. I have always used Maxtor in the past. They seem a bit noisy, but reliability has been good so far. I also have used a Western Digital drive but it was even noisier than the Maxtors. Plus, the device I had it on burned out shortly after I installed it (maybe just a coincidence, but I don't know). Anyone care to recommend either of these or maybe some other brand?
WD I would never buy. Do some Googling for comments from expert Linux developers to see one reason why. The other is they have a unique sound that to me sounds truly cheap, which matches the experiences of those I know who have used them. My last choice is Maxtor, partially because of failure experiences, partly because they seem most prone to come in with anomalous benchmarking results. Drives I've purchased since 01 Jan 2005: Seagate, Hitachi & Samsung. The latter two I bought for special reasons. Seagate is my current first choice. The recent Barracudas are so incredibly quiet, and Seagate's current retail warranty is the best in the biz. -- "Love your neighbor as yourself." Matthew 22:39 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
-----Original Message----- From: Felix Miata [mailto:mrmazda@ij.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:13 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Hard Drives On Tuesday, April 05, 2005 @ 8:13 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Greg Wallace wrote:
?> I want to buy a new additional drive. I have always used Maxtor in the
past. They seem a bit noisy, but reliability has been good so far. I also have used a Western Digital drive but it was even noisier than the Maxtors. Plus, the device I had it on burned out shortly after I installed it (maybe just a coincidence, but I don't know). Anyone care to recommend either of these or maybe some other brand?
WD I would never buy. Do some Googling for comments from expert Linux developers to see one reason why. The other is they have a unique sound that to me sounds truly cheap, which matches the experiences of those I know who have used them.
My last choice is Maxtor, partially because of failure experiences, partly because they seem most prone to come in with anomalous benchmarking results.
Drives I've purchased since 01 Jan 2005: Seagate, Hitachi & Samsung. The latter two I bought for special reasons. Seagate is my current first choice. The recent Barracudas are so incredibly quiet, and Seagate's current retail warranty is the best in the biz. -- "Love your neighbor as yourself." Matthew 22:39 NIV
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You're the second person so far to give Seagate a good reference. Based on my interpretation of the responses so far, it's 1) Seagate 2) Maxtor 3) Western Digital I have seen Seagate offered on vendor web sites, but have never looked into them. Sounds like I should. Thanks, Greg Wallace
On Wednesday 06 Apr 2005 06:29 am, Greg Wallace wrote:
You're the second person so far to give Seagate a good reference. Based
Thirded. My Barracuda's been working well for years, and I also know that Seagate have very good support. The only problem I've ever had is that I find it a little disconcerting because it's so quiet! This is the first drive I've had where I have to look at the hard disk activity light to tell whether the disk's being used -- you can't tell by listening... Matt -- "It's the small gaps between the rain that count, and learning how to live amongst them." -- Jeff Noon
I'll give a forth vote to seagate. I have two of their 80 Gb sata discs and they are very fast and quiet. My girl friend has three of their ide drives in her machine. No problems with any of them. Abe Matt Gibson wrote:
On Wednesday 06 Apr 2005 06:29 am, Greg Wallace wrote:
You're the second person so far to give Seagate a good reference. Based
Thirded. My Barracuda's been working well for years, and I also know that Seagate have very good support.
The only problem I've ever had is that I find it a little disconcerting because it's so quiet! This is the first drive I've had where I have to look at the hard disk activity light to tell whether the disk's being used -- you can't tell by listening...
Matt
Abram B. Olson wrote:
I'll give a forth vote to seagate. I have two of their 80 Gb sata discs I'll give a fifth. We have some ancient ones here in the lab where I work and many are still working. While some of the Seagates have failed, over the years we have seen more failures with the Western Digitals. We don't have any Maxtors at work so I can't comment about that but at home I have had good luck with Maxtor. I have one Maxtor that I replaced recently. It hadn't failed but had a very annoying bearing noise. I was just looking at new drives this week and was amazed to see that the Seagate was the only one I saw with a 5 year warranty. I was almost going to get that one but I found a Hitachi 160GB with 3 year at Best Buy for $59 after rebate. I hope Hitachi has improved on the problems IBM was having before selling to Hitachi.
Felix Miata wrote:
WD I would never buy. Do some Googling for comments from expert Linux developers to see one reason why. The other is they have a unique sound I remember that discussion from last year. I am having to use SuSE 9.0 with 2.4 kernel because of that problem.
Drives I've purchased since 01 Jan 2005: Seagate, Hitachi & Samsung. The what do you think of the Hitachi so far?
Damon Register
Damon Register wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
Drives I've purchased since 01 Jan 2005: Seagate, Hitachi & Samsung. The what do you think of the Hitachi so far?
I've purchased a total of 3 IBM/Hitachi IDE drives over the past several years. The first was a 40G PATA. It had to be replaced at age 6 weeks, then again at age 1 year. The 2nd replacement has been running 24/7 about 30 months now. The 2nd was an 80G PATA. It had to be replaced at age 3 months. I then used it about 1 year in a 24/7 system before making a bench drive out of it (benchmarking, backups, experiments, troubleshooting in various systems). It is now in my newest system waiting for me to finish deciding on its ultimate configuration. The system and drive details are in my Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:29:43 -0400 post in this thread and http://www.pcchips.com.tw/PCCWeb/Products/ProductsDetail.aspx?MenuID=92&LanID=0&DetailID=298&DetailName=Specification -- "Love your neighbor as yourself." Matthew 22:39 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
I've had serious problems with Maxtor and Linux. Whenever I've used a Maxtor drive with Linux in the past 6 years, my message log fills up with a seemingly endless string of "0x51 DriveNotRead SeekComplete Error" and "0x04 DriveStatusError" The drives never failed, but were... flakey. This happened on every single Maxtor drive I've ever used. I've even tested the rest of the hardware loop by removing the Maxtor drive and replacing it with a Seagate... and with the Seagate on the exact same ide port/cable as the Maxtor I get zero errors. I also ran into the problem on more than one computer config... so it wasn't limited to some quirk of the specific computer I had. Anyway YMMV (to use an internet cliche). One of my co-workers has no problems with Maxtor... although he seems to be in the minority. I tend to stick with Seagate. I've also used Samsung and Fujitsu without problems.
On Tuesday, April 05, 2005 @ 10:12 PM, Clayton wrote:
I've had serious problems with Maxtor and Linux. Whenever I've used a Maxtor drive with Linux in the past 6 years, my message log fills up with a seemingly endless string of "0x51 DriveNotRead SeekComplete Error" and "0x04 DriveStatusError"
The drives never failed, but were... flakey. This happened on every single Maxtor drive I've ever used. I've even tested the rest of the hardware loop by removing the Maxtor drive and replacing it with a Seagate... and with the Seagate on the exact same ide port/cable as the Maxtor I get zero errors. I also ran into the problem on more than one computer config... so it wasn't limited to some quirk of the specific computer I had.
Anyway YMMV (to use an internet cliche). One of my co-workers has no problems with Maxtor... although he seems to be in the minority.
I tend to stick with Seagate. I've also used Samsung and Fujitsu without problems.
I was just looking at the Seagate web site. Looks like they don't make an Ultra ATA/133 drive (ATA/100 but not ATA/133). I did some web browsing on the 133 and, apparently, this was first introduced by Maxtor. I also saw a tech article that seemed to indicate that many PCs can't make use of the extra throughput anyway. That article was a bit old, so I just wondered if there really is any performance advantage of a 133 vs a 100? Greg Wallace
Greg Wallace wrote:
I was just looking at the Seagate web site. Looks like they don't make an Ultra ATA/133 drive (ATA/100 but not ATA/133). I did some web browsing on the 133 and, apparently, this was first introduced by Maxtor. I also saw a tech article that seemed to indicate that many PCs can't make use of the extra throughput anyway. That article was a bit old, so I just wondered if there really is any performance advantage of a 133 vs a 100?
I'm pretty sure the difference is little more than theoretical. ATA133 hit about the same time as SATA150, so some manufacturers never have bothered to embrace ATA133. My newest motherboard (http://www.pcchips.com.tw/PCCWeb/Products/ProductsDetail.aspx?MenuID=92&LanID=0&DetailID=298&DetailName=Specification) has Intel's ICH6 chipset, which has a PATA max of 100, along with 150 for SATA. That motherboard also has PATA RAID, IT8212F @ 133. Here are some benchmarks I just recorded, but I don't know whether the PATA Hitachi is 100 or 133. Probably it is 100. http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/RESUL473.HTML Samsumg SATA & Hitachi SATA http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/RESUL475.HTML Hitachi SATA & Hitachi PATA (on IT8212F) http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/RESUL476.HTML Hitachi PATA (on ICH6) & Hitachi SATA -- "Love your neighbor as yourself." Matthew 22:39 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
On Wednesday, April 06, 2005 @1:30 PM Felix Miata wrote:
Greg Wallace wrote:
I was just looking at the Seagate web site. Looks like they don't make an Ultra ATA/133 drive (ATA/100 but not ATA/133). I did some web browsing on the 133 and, apparently, this was first introduced by Maxtor. I also saw a tech article that seemed to indicate that many PCs can't make use of the extra throughput anyway. That article was a bit old, so I just wondered if there really is any performance advantage of a 133 vs a 100?
I'm pretty sure the difference is little more than theoretical. ATA133 hit about the same time as SATA150, so some manufacturers never have bothered to embrace ATA133. My newest motherboard (http://www.pcchips.com.tw/PCCWeb/Products/ProductsDetail.aspx?MenuID=92&La nID=0&DetailID=298&DetailName=Specification) has Intel's ICH6 chipset, which has a PATA max of 100, along with 150 for SATA. That motherboard also has PATA RAID, IT8212F @ 133.
Here are some benchmarks I just recorded, but I don't know whether the PATA Hitachi is 100 or 133. Probably it is 100.
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/RESUL473.HTML Samsumg SATA & Hitachi SATA http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/RESUL475.HTML Hitachi SATA & Hitachi PATA (on IT8212F) http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/RESUL476.HTML Hitachi PATA (on ICH6) & Hitachi SATA -- "Love your neighbor as yourself." Matthew 22:39 NIV
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Thanks for the input. I added an extra note to this post of mine right after I posted it about the fact that I will be running USB 2 external for the drive I get. So, I might not even get the full capability of 100 coming through that setup. Maybe it would make no difference in my case even if it might on some other configurations. Then again, I know very little about these types of hardware considerations. Greg Wallace
On Apr 6, 2005 6:20 PM, Greg Wallace
Thanks for the input. I added an extra note to this post of mine right after I posted it about the fact that I will be running USB 2 external for the drive I get. So, I might not even get the full capability of 100 coming through that setup. Maybe it would make no difference in my case even if it might on some other configurations. Then again, I know very little about these types of hardware considerations.
Greg Wallace
Your right, USB 2 cannot keep up with a ATA 100 drive, so in your case I would be surprised if a ATA 133 drive would have any performance improvement. ie. USB 2 is 480 mbits/sec = 60 MB/sec which is much less than the 100 MB/sec of ATA 100 OTOH Firewire 800 is fast enough that it would likely run faster with a ATA 133 drive in the enclosure. Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century
On Wednesday 06 April 2005 02:11, Clayton wrote:
I've had serious problems with Maxtor and Linux. Whenever I've used a Maxtor drive with Linux in the past 6 years, my message log fills up with a seemingly endless string of "0x51 DriveNotRead SeekComplete Error" and "0x04 DriveStatusError" [snip]
I was seeing the exact same thing happen in SusE 9.1 with a Seagate drive. As it turned out it was a ATA133 drive that I had hooked up as a slave on a ATA100 cable. In spite of the apparent "errors" I was not losing any data, so I ignored it. When I rebuilt the system I used that drive as a master with the proper cable and the problem went away.
On Wednesday 06 Apr 2005 13:42 pm, you wrote:
I was seeing the exact same thing happen in SusE 9.1 with a Seagate drive. As it turned out it was a ATA133 drive that I had hooked up as a slave on a ATA100 cable. In spite of the apparent "errors" I was not losing any data, so I ignored it. When I rebuilt the system I used that drive as a master with the proper cable and the problem went away.
Just a quick tip: If you're ever in that situation again, you can download a utility from Seagate that lets you tell the drive to run at a different maximum speed. Just runs off a bootable DOS floppy and lets you change some of the drive's parameters which are stored in non-volatile RAM somewhere, so you only have to do it once and it remembers the setting until you change it back. See the "Ultra ATA Mode Switching Utility" description here: http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/utils.html Cheers, Matt -- "It's the small gaps between the rain that count, and learning how to live amongst them." -- Jeff Noon
Matt, On Wednesday 06 April 2005 09:26, Matt Gibson wrote:
...
Just a quick tip: If you're ever in that situation again, you can download a utility from Seagate that lets you tell the drive to run at a different maximum speed. Just runs off a bootable DOS floppy and lets you change some of the drive's parameters which are stored in non-volatile RAM somewhere, so you only have to do it once and it remembers the setting until you change it back.
See the "Ultra ATA Mode Switching Utility" description here:
It happens to be one of the many vendor-specific utilities included on the Ultimate Boot CD: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
Cheers,
Matt
Randall Schulz
On Wednesday 06 April 2005 12:29 am, Greg Wallace wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Felix Miata [mailto:mrmazda@ij.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:13 PM
WD I would never buy. Do some Googling for comments from expert Linux developers to see one reason why. The other is they have a unique sound that to me sounds truly cheap, which matches the experiences of those I know who have used them.
My last choice is Maxtor, partially because of failure experiences, partly because they seem most prone to come in with anomalous benchmarking results.
Drives I've purchased since 01 Jan 2005: Seagate, Hitachi & Samsung. The latter two I bought for special reasons. Seagate is my current first choice. The recent Barracudas are so incredibly quiet, and Seagate's current retail warranty is the best in the biz.
You're the second person so far to give Seagate a good reference. Based on my interpretation of the responses so far, it's 1) Seagate 2) Maxtor 3) Western Digital
I have seen Seagate offered on vendor web sites, but have never looked into them. Sounds like I should.
Thanks, Hi Greg
I also agree on the Seagate drives. I have 2 160GB ATA drives in 2 systems that are running well. I also have a few Maxtors and WDs; all of which are doing well. I suspect that each manufacturer has had some streaks of 'bad luck', and your perception is related to the chance that yours was one of the bad ones. I have had 2 WDs go bad years ago and the replacement proceedure was easy and painless. WD even had a "Cross-Ship" option with prepaid return in the same packaging. PeterB -- -- Proud SUSE user since 5.2 Loving SUSE 9.2 My BLOG == http://vancampen.org/blog --
You're the second person so far to give Seagate a good reference.
Add a third voice to that. Four years ago I bought a brand new 40GB Seagate disc. I'm incredibly clumsy. In the shop, I dropped it. On the way to my fourth story flat, I dropped it again down the side of the staircase, approximately two stories far onto a concrete floor. And no, it wasn't in a nice box with padding - only that plastic cover thingy. Last weekend I replaced it with a 200gb SATA disc (Seagate, of course!), because I simply needed more space and a faster disc. The 40GB is now my mobile drive drive. Not a single problem with it at all... I do miss the old Connor discs tho. We used to play soccer in the mens dorm corridors with an old 80MB Connor IDE disc. I still have that disc, it's still working and still doesn't have any bad sectors! -- Kind regards Hans du Plooy SagacIT (Pty) Ltd hansdp at sagacit dot com
On Tue April 5 2005 10:43 pm, Greg Wallace wrote:
I want to buy a new additional drive. I have always used Maxtor in the past. They seem a bit noisy, but reliability has been good so far. I also have used a Western Digital drive but it was even noisier than the Maxtors. Plus, the device I had it on burned out shortly after I installed it (maybe just a coincidence, but I don't know). Anyone care to recommend either of these or maybe some other brand?
I prefer, for IDE or SATA, Seagate, IBM, and Maxtor....in that order. I have no use for Western Digital. Fred -- The only bug free software from MickySoft is still shrink-wrapped in their warehouse..."
On Wednesday 06 April 2005 15:43, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On Tue April 5 2005 10:43 pm, Greg Wallace wrote:
I want to buy a new additional drive. I have always used Maxtor in the past. They seem a bit noisy, but reliability has been good so far. I also have used a Western Digital drive but it was even noisier than the Maxtors. Plus, the device I had it on burned out shortly after I installed it (maybe just a coincidence, but I don't know). Anyone care to recommend either of these or maybe some other brand?
I prefer, for IDE or SATA, Seagate, IBM, and Maxtor....in that order. I have no use for Western Digital.
Fred
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You might want to check THG http://www6.tomshardware.com/storage/20050317/seagate-05.html Currently i'm using two WD. These were tree years ago tested as best, except for the noise. Has been "on" for 24/7/365. Never a problem, which i can't say for the bunch of seagates and Ibm's that were hooked on my workstation. Hans
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On Wednesday 06 April 2005 15:43, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On Tue April 5 2005 10:43 pm, Greg Wallace wrote:
I want to buy a new additional drive. I have always used Maxtor in the past. They seem a bit noisy, but reliability has been good so far. I also have used a Western Digital drive but it was even noisier than the Maxtors. Plus, the device I had it on burned out shortly after I> > installed it (maybe just a coincidence, but I don't know). Anyone care to recommend either of these or maybe some other brand?
I prefer, for IDE or SATA, Seagate, IBM, and Maxtor....in that order. I have no use for Western Digital.
Fred
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You might want to check THG http://www6.tomshardware.com/storage/20050317/seagate-05.html
Currently i'm using two WD. These were tree years ago tested as best, except for the noise. Has been "on" for 24/7/365. Never a problem, which i can't say for the bunch of seagates and Ibm's that were hooked on my workstation.
Hans
For what it's worth, I've had good luck with IBM drives; terrible luck with Western Digital, both at home and at work (while I was still working.) I guess my employers found a deal on WD, but I think they probably came out worse, ulitmately. No recent experience with Seagate, but long-time-ago experience was not good. OTOH, it _was_ a long time ago. --doug -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/2005
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 18:43:18 -0800, you wrote:
I want to buy a new additional drive. I have always used Maxtor in the past. They seem a bit noisy, but reliability has been good so far. I also have used a Western Digital drive but it was even noisier than the Maxtors. Plus, the device I had it on burned out shortly after I installed it (maybe just a coincidence, but I don't know). Anyone care to recommend either of these or maybe some other brand?
Thanks, Greg Wallace
Maxtors been on a downhill slide, qualitywise. I've been thru a dozen warranty replacements in 6 months. Western Digital is good, Seagate is a little expensive but not bad. I don't like Fujitsu at all - their handling of their screwup last year (might have been the year before - time flies) turned me off completely. Mike- -- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments.
Michael W Cocke wrote:
is a little expensive but not bad. I don't like Fujitsu at all - their handling of their screwup last year (might have been the year before - time flies) turned me off completely.
Wasn't that 3 years ago, the problem with the 20GB IDE HDDs that had to be replaced in huge numbers? Sandy
Sandy Drobic wrote:
Michael W Cocke wrote:
is a little expensive but not bad. I don't like Fujitsu at all - their handling of their screwup last year (might have been the year before - time flies) turned me off completely.
Wasn't that 3 years ago, the problem with the 20GB IDE HDDs that had to be replaced in huge numbers?
Three years ago, 20 GB would have been a small drive.
James Knott wrote:
is a little expensive but not bad. I don't like Fujitsu at all - their handling of their screwup last year (might have been the year before - time flies) turned me off completely.
Wasn't that 3 years ago, the problem with the 20GB IDE HDDs that had to be replaced in huge numbers?
Three years ago, 20 GB would have been a small drive.
You don't need a big hdd for an office pc. We have a lot of those still in productive use in our office pcs. Sandy
On Apr 10, 2005 12:05 AM, Sandy Drobic
James Knott wrote:
is a little expensive but not bad. I don't like Fujitsu at all - their handling of their screwup last year (might have been the year before - time flies) turned me off completely.
Wasn't that 3 years ago, the problem with the 20GB IDE HDDs that had to be replaced in huge numbers?
Three years ago, 20 GB would have been a small drive.
You don't need a big hdd for an office pc. We have a lot of those still in productive use in our office pcs.
Sandy
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On Sat, 2005-04-09 at 15:01, James Knott wrote:
Sandy Drobic wrote:
Michael W Cocke wrote:
is a little expensive but not bad. I don't like Fujitsu at all - their handling of their screwup last year (might have been the year before - time flies) turned me off completely.
Wasn't that 3 years ago, the problem with the 20GB IDE HDDs that had to be replaced in huge numbers?
Three years ago, 20 GB would have been a small drive.
But mine still works its an IBM 20G 5400rpm and I have used it for several years. I also have WD 30G and 40G. With all the price changes on these monster drives I wonder if I should buy now or wait until the 200G get below $100? -- ___ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/
With all the price changes on these monster drives I wonder if I should buy now or wait until the 200G get below $100?
Wont be long. We just bought a case of 20 200GB drives. I think it was $118 per drive. (It felt really strange to recieve 4 TB of disk space and have to pay less than $2500 for it. OTOH, if your not in a hurry, for anything beyond 120 GB I think I would wait for SATA support to get truly get there in linux and go that way. I say that because of the LBA48 issues with PATA drives over 120GB. I know we have inadvertantly destroyed the data on 2 200 GB PATA drives that we temporarily connected to IDE controllers without LBA48 support. As I understand it, all SATA controllers have the equivalent of LBA48 functionality and thus it is all plug and play. The problem with SATA is that the drivers are not very stable, and some of the controller / drive combos are apparently causing data corruption. Greg
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