On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 23:30 -0500, Rajko M wrote:

Peter Wiersig wrote: <snip>

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This list isn't meant for problems like yours. The Wiki-Page lists this as peer2peer support: suse-linux-e-subscribe@suse.com

http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate

You may contact me directly if you need further instructions and don't want to subscribe to that high volume list.

Peter

Sorry Peter, the Communicate page has to be updated. The opensuse@opensuse.org is now general discussion list without limitation to specific topic. You can see other threads.

As this list is now a general discussion list are there any ground rules setup that people should adhere to and where are they posted. Getting this established early will help eliminate problems like they have on suse-linux-e with top-posting, OT posting etc. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 08:30 -0400, johnny.jones@tema.toyota.com wrote:

Kenneth, Thanks for the information.

As I said, I am new to the Linux world and I am trying to learn. What group do I need to subscribe to in order to get this type of question answered? Do you have any idea what the error message means?

I would like to get off that high volume list and get on the correct list.

Any help you can give will be greatly appreciated.

JJ

This response wasn't aimed at you but to Rajko. Please do not "top post", put your answers after the question. Remember this is not the game show Jeopardy.

Kenneth Schneider 07/12/2006 08:13 AM Please respond to opensuse@opensuse.org

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Subject Re: [opensuse] Unable to open Dos! error message

On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 23:30 -0500, Rajko M wrote:

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Peter Wiersig wrote: <snip>

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This list isn't meant for problems like yours. The Wiki-Page lists this as peer2peer support: suse-linux-e-subscribe@suse.com

http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate

You may contact me directly if you need further instructions and don't want to subscribe to that high volume list.

Peter

Sorry Peter, the Communicate page has to be updated. The opensuse@opensuse.org is now general discussion list without limitation to specific topic. You can see other threads.

As this list is now a general discussion list are there any ground rules setup that people should adhere to and where are they posted. Getting this established early will help eliminate problems like they have on suse-linux-e with top-posting, OT posting etc.

-- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 14:47 +0200, jdd wrote:

Kenneth Schneider wrote:

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On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 23:30 -0500, Rajko M wrote:

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Peter Wiersig wrote: <snip>

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This list isn't meant for problems like yours. The Wiki-Page lists this as peer2peer support: suse-linux-e-subscribe@suse.com

http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate

You may contact me directly if you need further instructions and don't want to subscribe to that high volume list.

Peter

Sorry Peter, the Communicate page has to be updated. The opensuse@opensuse.org is now general discussion list without limitation to specific topic. You can see other threads.

As this list is now a general discussion list are there any ground rules setup that people should adhere to and where are they posted. Getting this established early will help eliminate problems like they have on suse-linux-e with top-posting, OT posting etc.

the status of this list was discussed, but no decision was never taken. in fact no "openSUSE life" list exists anymore.

anybody can do what he wants, nobody care anymore

and I'm not glad of this

:-(( jdd

Then you are saying that Rajko does not have the authority to make the statement he did about the list now being open to all discussions? And saying that nobody cares is wrong, I for one do care and if the list should not be used for problems then it should be maintained as such. The only problem is there was no formal statement as to the intended use of this list and if there was one it was not enforced. I'm not trying to start any argument about this list and its use but if a list is created for a particular goal that goal needs to be stated somewhere so it can be adhered to. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

* Kenneth Schneider [07-12-06 15:33]:

Then you are saying that Rajko does not have the authority to make the statement he did about the list now being open to all discussions? And saying that nobody cares is wrong, I for one do care and if the list should not be used for problems then it should be maintained as such. The only problem is there was no formal statement as to the intended use of this list and if there was one it was not enforced. I'm not trying to start any argument about this list and its use but if a list is created for a particular goal that goal needs to be stated somewhere so it can be adhered to.

It was, originally, but not prominently and has not been *enforced*. There have been literally miles of discussion with no *clear* resolution. IIUC, the original intent of this forum is to discuss the organization of ideas and aims with no technical discussion about system install or maintenance. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 09:42:20AM -0400, johnny.jones@tema.toyota.com wrote:

I am not sure what you mean by "boot-floppy bootup with installation source from your CDs."

Can you give some more explanation on what do for that?

Not if your CD content is "opensuse-<blah>.iso". I suspect it will be possible to use those discs during installation, but as a new linux user I recommend erasing those CD-RW and burn a new. You did use CD-RW for something like a distribution that will work forever after installation, right? ;) Pete

Rajko, Thanks for the input. This describes my problem. When I go to explorer, I only see one file. That is the same on all 5 disk. Will I need to burn all 5 CDs again? JJ Rajko M 07/12/2006 12:40 AM Please respond to opensuse@opensuse.org To opensuse@opensuse.org cc Subject Re: [opensuse] Unable to open Dos! error message johnny.jones@tema.toyota.com wrote:

Hello I am new to the Linux world and I am attempting to load OPENSUSE on my PC. I have down loaded the ISO files and used an ISO burner to burn them to CD. I made the first CD bootable.

When I try to boot up on that CD, I get the message:

Unable to open DOS! Any key to retry.

The iso images contain all information necessary, including booting information. CD1 is bootable for newer computers, CD2 is bootable for older.

What does that mean and what do I need to do to install SUSE on my machine?

Just burn iso image. Can't be easier. To check is it OK, put disk in CDROM and look in explorer. If you see only one file ending with iso, your iso image burner doesn't work. If you see few directories and files like on FTP server, than it is probably OK. For instance Nero is good burning software. -- Regards, Rajko. Visit http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org

johnny.jones@tema.toyota.com wrote:

Rajko M 07/12/2006 12:40 AM Please respond to opensuse@opensuse.org

To opensuse@opensuse.org cc

Subject Re: [opensuse] Unable to open Dos! error message

johnny.jones@tema.toyota.com wrote:

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Hello I am new to the Linux world and I am attempting to load OPENSUSE on my PC. I have down loaded the ISO files and used an ISO burner to burn them to CD. I made the first CD bootable.

When I try to boot up on that CD, I get the message:

Unable to open DOS! Any key to retry.

The iso images contain all information necessary, including booting information. CD1 is bootable for newer computers, CD2 is bootable for older.

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What does that mean and what do I need to do to install SUSE on my machine?

Just burn iso image. Can't be easier.

To check is it OK, put disk in CDROM and look in explorer. If you see only one file ending with iso, your iso image burner doesn't work. If you see few directories and files like on FTP server, than it is probably OK. For instance Nero is good burning software.

Rajko, Thanks for the input. This describes my problem. When I go to explorer, I only see one file. That is the same on all 5 disk. Will I need to burn all 5 CDs again?

JJ

Jonny, look how I edited your post. This is chronological order that you get if your answer is written after mine, and it is called bottom posting. It is easy to read. The way you did it is top posting and it fits for single answer, but it messes up chronology for 3 and more followups. The top posting is not forbidden here (there are places where is), but it is not welcome either. What most readers here do is to ignore top posters. So if you need answer please use bottom posting. The answer to your question is, yes, but not with same options as you did. So far I recall even XP needs external program like mentioned Nero to be able to burn iso image. What is iso image? It is byte by byte copy of CD, from byte 1 to 600 and something millions. What is the difference to normal copy? Long story, I'll try to find reference and post put it to en.opensuse.org, but in short, normal file copy can be done after you have file system, that means after formatting the disk. For disk image it is not necessary to have file system, better to say even if one exists it will be overwritten. The iso image is one of special cases, it is disk image of CD. I hope that you understand now what happened, windows simply made file system on CD and copied your iso file instead to burn byte by byte without previous formatting. -- Regards, Rajko. Visit http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE

johnny.jones@tema.toyota.com wrote:

Rajko M <snip> Rajko, Thank you for your explanation. I now understand 2 things. I know what top posting is and I have a better understanding of the ISO format. I think you have helped me in both areas. I also think I need to unsubscribe from this list and subscribe to another one that is better for someone with my knowledge and experience. Can you suggest which group would be best for me to find answers in?

Thanks,

There is also no simple answer to newcomer. First you will be better off with Thunderbird. Look at http://www.mozilla.org I use it even for windows as it has spam filtering built in, and many other features that prevent spammers to get your email address. Second when you reply remove signature including "-- " because most good mail software doesn't quote signature. The above is manual "cut" and "paste as a quote" as it wasn't quoted automatically. Third if you really have toyota.com mail address than use it, otherwise find something else that for sure is not in use. Mail program looks for character @ to declare mail address valid. So nospam@nospam.nospam is valid for program, and no mail server in the world will complain about invalid address. Now to the question. You may use suse-linux-e@suse.com, but be patient, enable threading that will group messages, and be prepared for a lot of mails every day. Other than that you can look for web forums. The openSUSE has none right now, but they consider the idea. For the beginner is probably better to use usenet (newsgroups). Thunderbird can do that too. Look with your provider what is the name of news server. It is usually your Internet provider domain with news or nntp instead of www, like: news.<internet provider domain>.com nntp.<internet provider domain>.com On your provider news server you can look for alt.os.linux.suse . Independent from your provider you can set up news://support-forums.novell.com as news server and browse the list that you get when click on subscribe to find those with opensuse in the name. BTW, thanks for you posts, as they gave me idea what articles are missing on opensuse.org. -- Regards, Rajko. Visit http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org