What browser are you using? If you don't have a browser with frame capability then you are really in need of an upgrade. DreamWeaver don't set the standards - its an editor/design tool. It puts the things on the page how you want them. If it doesn't display correctly on your machine then submit a bug report - not dis Macromedia. Kev
-----Original Message----- From: bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au [mailto:bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au] Sent: 23 May 2000 15:06 To: SuSE@flywheel.innovative.iinet.net.au; English Subject: Re: [SLE] Is Linux Ready?
Keith Warno tapped away at the keyboard with:
Macromedia
http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/
Our in-house grafx kid uses it cuz he knows less than a lick of HTML.
Check out http://www.haggleware.com/ which was done w/ Dreamweaver 3. Granted there's not much content, take a look @ the HTML code ("view source") and you'll see how tight it is. It's even formatted nicely. :)
But unbrowsable!
The former says:
Macromedia Dreamweaver
FRAME: logo FRAME: ad FRAME: contents
Your browser does not support frames. Please download a current version of either Microsoft Internet Explorer or Netscape Navigator and try visiting our site again. Thank You.
The latter shows a page of images - with meaningless/missing ALT tags.
Isn't the tool supposed to ensure accessability?
See: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ or more specifically http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG10/
Don't think it's a problem?
Think how it'll look on the screen of your mobile phone. -- Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning Perth, Western Australia
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Kevin Jackson wrote:
What browser are you using?
In any browser you can choose to turn "frames off". That's one other thing the WYSIAWYGS don't do, is create a page for customers who are coming through a firewall that sets "frames=off". All my pages have a "text only" link, that leads to pages that show nil but text. They also all include "alt" tags for those who must use a visually impaired type system. These are all things I do as a matter of course when I am building a site. Unfortunately, most WYSIAWYG builders have no setting for this!
If you don't have a browser with frame capability then you are really in need of an upgrade.
Wrong! Your site-builder is in need of education!
DreamWeaver don't set the standards - its an editor/design tool.
But it helps a lot if you can MEET the standards!
It puts the things on the page how you want them.
You just spent a lot of time telling us how it does the job FOR you, now you're saying it only does what you tell it too.?! I am confused!
If it doesn't display correctly on your machine then submit a bug report
Hope you've got a lot of space on your harddrive, because 99% of bug reports I've seen come straight to the Webmaster. - not dis Macromedia. -nor dis Bluefish
Kev
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Kevin Jackson tapped away at the keyboard with:
What browser are you using? If you don't have a browser with frame capability then you are really in need of an upgrade.
I'm running the most recent versions of lynx and w3m respectively. They run within a terminal emulator on my Psion 3. Seeing that the machine has a total of 2MB of RAM, I don't see the possibility to load Netscrape or Internet Exploiter, even if a port were available. <rant> Your 'laziness' or 'ignorance' shouldn't compel me to spend thousands to upgrade to a machine; just to access your web page. </rant> They are just two of the browser I use to check the pages I create. I also use a tool called "Bobby" to verify accessability. You will also find that similar, text-only browsers without room for frames are appearing on mobile phones.
DreamWeaver don't set the standards - its an editor/design tool. It puts the things on the page how you want them. If it doesn't display correctly on your machine then submit a bug report - not dis Macromedia.
DreamWeaver doesn't MEET standards of accessability; not judging from teh examples given. As a paying customer, you should submit the bug report. The pages you create are inaccessable to about 20% of web users. It is not just a Macromedia problem. It is widespread; and one of the reasons why I built a set of simple tools to build/maintain one of the web sites I maintain (http://www.vwclub.asn.au). 90% of the 350 or so pages are built to templates - I define the look of the templates, and subsequently generate pages according to the varying content; for frames and non-frames browsers. After a recent check with Bobby; I uncovered an accessability problem; changed the template and re-generated about 300 pages - in the space of 5 minutes. It is the web designer's responsibility to check accessability. The authoring tool should assist in providing accessability. It shouldn't hide the fact that a significant portion of web users won't be able to make sense of what they see. You will also find that experienced web users *prefer* the text-only versions of the web pages. Please take the time to read the W3 guidelines. I didn't post the URLs for decoration. BTW: please trim included articles to the relevant sections. Or are you commenting on the unsubscribe tag at the end of the message? :-)
-----Original Message----- From: bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au
Check out http://www.haggleware.com/ which was done w/ Dreamweaver 3. Granted there's not much content, take a look @ the HTML code ("view source") and you'll see how tight it is. It's even formatted nicely. :)
But unbrowsable!
The former says:
Macromedia Dreamweaver
FRAME: logo FRAME: ad FRAME: contents
Your browser does not support frames. Please download a current version of either Microsoft Internet Explorer or Netscape Navigator and try visiting our site again. Thank You.
The latter shows a page of images - with meaningless/missing ALT tags.
Isn't the tool supposed to ensure accessability?
See: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ or more specifically http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG10/
Don't think it's a problem?
Think how it'll look on the screen of your mobile phone.
-- Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning Perth, Western Australia -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
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